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[Luc Legrain]

All, I have been lurking for a while ,but this morning something happened that I felt like was worth sharing . Ok.. Aztec Red 05, (mine) pretty much pampered, except for the valves which are about 30k over due, guess I'll regret it when I'll be stranded ... Anyways ...wife and I want to go for a ride, not 2 up, she's got her own, gotta put up with her off the bike what makes you think I want to put up with her on the bike ? Hey ? Hers starts perfect, mine.. darn .. dead battery .!! OK no problems, pull out the old trickle charger, hook it up ,wife gets into her moods " we never go anywhere,when we do you're never ready or something happens..and you take care of that "thing" more than you take care of me and it don't work" , hang on Honey I'll jump start it, pull out jumper cables, hooked up to Explorer, (got one of those chargers with the "can't go wrong" plugs one bare,one covered and clamps) After hooking everything up the proper way, smoke and I do mean smoke comes out from under the seat ,in shock I do not move, then flames come out .. ok time to act ..flames ,full tank of gas.. MY bike.. run for the garden hose !!! not a good idea but only solution. Whole harness fried .Still trying to figure out what happened . Battery ok. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Horton Oliphant]

Did you have the Explorer running when you hooked it up? It almost sounds like you over voltaged the regulator which is underneath the seat. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

On 6/9/2012 4:50 PM, Luc Legrain wrote: > > All, > I have been lurking for a while ,but this morning something happened > that I felt like was worth sharing . > Ok.. Aztec Red 05, (mine) pretty much pampered, except for the valves > which are about 30k over due, guess I'll regret it when I'll be > stranded ... Anyways ...wife and I want to go for a ride, not 2 up, > she's got her own, gotta put up with her off the bike what makes you > think I want to put up with her on the bike ? Hey ? > Hers starts perfect, mine.. darn .. dead battery .!! OK no problems, > pull out the old trickle charger, hook it up ,wife gets into her moods > " we never go anywhere,when we do you're never ready or something > happens..and you take care of that "thing" more than you take care of > me and it don't work" , hang on Honey I'll jump start it, pull out > jumper cables, hooked up to Explorer, (got one of those chargers with > the "can't go wrong" plugs one bare,one covered and clamps) > After hooking everything up the proper way, smoke and I do mean smoke > comes out from under the seat ,in shock I do not move, then flames > come out .. ok time to act ..flames ,full tank of gas.. MY bike.. run > for the garden hose !!! not a good idea but only solution. > Whole harness fried .Still trying to figure out what happened . > Battery ok. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Luc Legrain writes:

> All, > I have been lurking for a while ,but this morning something happened > that I felt like was worth sharing . > Ok.. Aztec Red 05, (mine) pretty much pampered, except for the > valves which are about 30k over due, guess I'll regret it when I'll > be stranded ... Anyways ...wife and I want to go for a ride, not 2 > up, she's got her own, gotta put up with her off the bike what makes > you think I want to put up with her on the bike ? Hey ? > Hers starts perfect, mine.. darn .. dead battery .!! OK no problems, > pull out the old trickle charger, hook it up ,wife gets into her > moods " we never go anywhere,when we do you're never ready or > something happens..and you take care of that "thing" more than you > take care of me and it don't work" , hang on Honey I'll jump start > it, pull out jumper cables, hooked up to Explorer, (got one of those > chargers with the "can't go wrong" plugs one bare,one covered and > clamps) > After hooking everything up the proper way, smoke and I do mean > smoke comes out from under the seat ,in shock I do not move, then > flames come out .. ok time to act ..flames ,full tank of gas.. MY > bike.. run for the garden hose !!! not a good idea but only > solution. > Whole harness fried .Still trying to figure out what happened . > Battery ok.

<><><><><> <><><><><> Luc, Sorry to hear of the fire etc. I'm curious as to exactly what you hooked up to what/where. Off the top of my head I can only think of one way to jump an 05 KLR650 without pulling the seat first. Best, Jeff . . ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fd3db8cdd4e613f8d9st06vuc

[Luc Legrain]

All, Thanks for feed back, yes I did have the Explorer running . Does this means I will have to replace ALL of the electrical components on the bike ? ________________________________ From: John Biccum To: Luc Legrain Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! Did you gave Explorer running? Not a good plan to jump a bike. Better to leave boost vehicle off. Wire harness cheap on eBay is someone is parting bike. ________________________________ From: Luc Legrain Sent: 6/9/2012 14:50 To: DSN KLR650 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! All, I have been lurking for a while ,but this morning something happened that I felt like was worth sharing . Ok.. Aztec Red 05, (mine) pretty much pampered, except for the valves which are about 30k over due, guess I'll regret it when I'll be stranded ... Anyways ...wife and I want to go for a ride, not 2 up, she's got her own, gotta put up with her off the bike what makes you think I want to put up with her on the bike ? Hey ? Hers starts perfect, mine.. darn .. dead battery .!! OK no problems, pull out the old trickle charger, hook it up ,wife gets into her moods " we never go anywhere,when we do you're never ready or something happens..and you take care of that "thing" more than you take care of me and it don't work" , hang on Honey I'll jump start it, pull out jumper cables, hooked up to Explorer, (got one of those chargers with the "can't go wrong" plugs one bare,one covered and clamps) After hooking everything up the proper way, smoke and I do mean smoke comes out from under the seat ,in shock I do not move, then flames come out .. ok time to act ..flames ,full tank of gas.. MY bike.. run for the garden hose !!! not a good idea but only solution. Whole harness fried .Still trying to figure out what happened . Battery ok. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [The entire original message is not included.] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Luc Legrain]

Jeff, I hooked up some pig tails on the battery so I could use a trickle charger with out having to take the seat off . See pictures . ________________________________ From: Jeff Saline To: zrislois2klr@... Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Luc Legrain writes:

> All, > I have been lurking for a while ,but this morning something happened > that I felt like was worth sharing . > Ok.. Aztec Red 05, (mine) pretty much pampered, except for the > valves which are about 30k over due, guess I'll regret it when I'll > be stranded ... Anyways ...wife and I want to go for a ride, not 2 > up, she's got her own, gotta put up with her off the bike what makes > you think I want to put up with her on the bike ? Hey ? > Hers starts perfect, mine.. darn .. dead battery .!! OK no problems, > pull out the old trickle charger, hook it up ,wife gets into her > moods " we never go anywhere,when we do you're never ready or > something happens..and you take care of that "thing" more than you > take care of me and it don't work" , hang on Honey I'll jump start > it, pull out jumper cables, hooked up to Explorer, (got one of those > chargers with the "can't go wrong" plugs one bare,one covered and > clamps) > After hooking everything up the proper way, smoke and I do mean > smoke comes out from under the seat ,in shock I do not move, then > flames come out .. ok time to act ..flames ,full tank of gas.. MY > bike.. run for the garden hose !!! not a good idea but only > solution. > Whole harness fried .Still trying to figure out what happened . > Battery ok.

<><><><><> <><><><><> Luc, Sorry to hear of the fire etc. I'm curious as to exactly what you hooked up to what/where. Off the top of my head I can only think of one way to jump an 05 KLR650 without pulling the seat first. Best, Jeff . . __________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fd3db8cdd4e613f8d9st06vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Luc Legrain writes:

> Jeff, > I hooked up some pig tails on the battery so I could use a trickle > charger with out having to take the seat off . See pictures .

<><><><><><> <><><><><><> Luc, Those are way too small for jump starting but fine for a battery tender/charger at 1 amp or so. The starter motor probably pulls close to 100 amps and I'm guessing your pigtails didn't have a fuse. : ( Remember a fuse is put in place to protect wiring. Once the fuse blows the circuit is open and no more electrickery passes. For the future and for the other listers... you can jump the gen I KLRs at the hot (battery) side of the starter solenoid. It's behind the black plastic cover above the left rider footpeg. Pull the cover and connect the positive to the rear most heavy connection/cable. That is the other end of the battery positive cable. For ground you can just connect to a frame bolt that is bare metal. Then proceed as normal. I don't know about gen II KLRs as I've only messed with one or two and that was fuel related stuff. When jump starting a KLR with a vehicle you shouldn't need the other vehicle running. The battery will work just fine for a few jumps. Not having the jumping vehicle running protects both vehicle electrical systems from voltage spikes and goofy electrons, protons, neutrons and morons. I doubt you did any electrical damage to you KLR important parts. But the fire damage might have got to something. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 5 Diet Pills that Work 2012's Top 5 Weight Loss Pills. Updated Consumer Ratings. Free Report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fd4064e9ded714f64ast06vuc

[Jeff Khoury]

Usually if you jump a bike with a car that's running, the most likely blown component is the Regulator/Rectifier. Motorcycles work differently than cars, and a motorcycle Reg/Rec "burns off" excess voltage by shunting it through resistors to ground. Unfortunately they don't have enough capacity to shunt the output of a car alternator and they fry almost immediately. As (the other) Jeff said, it's OK to jump them, just don't run the car while you're doing it. I would start the repair by replacing the Reg/Rec and see where it goes from there. If you let the magic smoke out of that it's definitely gone. I give that about an 80% chance of fixing it alone, but there may be other smoked wiring. Good luck and may the Schwartz be with you. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Saline" To: zrislois2klr@... Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 7:26:12 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Luc Legrain < zrislois2klr@... > writes: > Jeff, > I hooked up some pig tails on the battery so I could use a trickle > charger with out having to take the seat off . See pictures . <><><><><><> <><><><><><> Luc, Those are way too small for jump starting but fine for a battery tender/charger at 1 amp or so. The starter motor probably pulls close to 100 amps and I'm guessing your pigtails didn't have a fuse. : ( Remember a fuse is put in place to protect wiring. Once the fuse blows the circuit is open and no more electrickery passes. For the future and for the other listers... you can jump the gen I KLRs at the hot (battery) side of the starter solenoid. It's behind the black plastic cover above the left rider footpeg. Pull the cover and connect the positive to the rear most heavy connection/cable. That is the other end of the battery positive cable. For ground you can just connect to a frame bolt that is bare metal. Then proceed as normal. I don't know about gen II KLRs as I've only messed with one or two and that was fuel related stuff. When jump starting a KLR with a vehicle you shouldn't need the other vehicle running. The battery will work just fine for a few jumps. Not having the jumping vehicle running protects both vehicle electrical systems from voltage spikes and goofy electrons, protons, neutrons and morons. I doubt you did any electrical damage to you KLR important parts. But the fire damage might have got to something. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . __________________________________________________________ 5 Diet Pills that Work 2012's Top 5 Weight Loss Pills. Updated Consumer Ratings. Free Report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fd4064e9ded714f64ast06vuc

[Mike Nasca]

While the KLR is a motorcycle that burns off the excess power, and most small displacement motorcycles are similar. This was obviously not what happened here. Wiring harness fried. Most likely cause the short that killed the battery fried the rest of the harness when more power was applied. Which might have happened using a vehicle with a stopped engine. Battery pushes what probably around 3-400 CCA. Alternator somewhere below a hundred? Wall of text, minor rant to follow. Most motorcycles don't have that style charging system anymore. It wasn't for my '78 Motto Guzzi V-1000 Convert. Certainly wasn't for the Kawasaki Concours. Jumping with a running car isn't an issue on them. My sisters BMW with a 60 amp alternator it isn't true either. Charging voltage is set by the voltage applied to the alternator slip rings to control rotating magnetic field strength. No excess power to burn off. (Much "greener" solution but that isn't why they did it, allowed more power to be generated. ) Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. I couldn't get someone to jump that Motto Guzzi when I needed it they were all afraid they would damage it. Because, "Everybody told them so." The thing was a semi automatic so push starting was right out. All that said. I have jump started the KLR off a running 2001 S-10. (little cables, 12 gauge wire I made myself charge for a minute then push the button started right up) I left something connected so the 2008 ignition system didn't have the power to fire the ignition (I r stupid). Neat thing about voltmeters if the applied voltage is less than the regulator's setting nothing happens. If the jumping vehicle voltage is less than 14 you are pretty safe. With a dead battery if the voltage is outside the KLR's operating range the battery is toast as it _should_ be sucking down quite a bit of that current(reducing the voltage). If the voltage at the bike is over 13.5 either the battery is toast or you have a bad connection somewhere depending on where you are charging from. Would I jump it using auto jumper cables with a running auto? Not a chance. Murphy will get you if you let him. The US Navy let play with electrical and electronic systems for 20 or so years. You _don't_ want to see what happens when 300 volts DC shorts in a multi layer bus bar. Enjoy. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Khoury Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:33 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN KLR650; zrislois2klr@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! Usually if you jump a bike with a car that's running, the most likely blown component is the Regulator/Rectifier. Motorcycles work differently than cars, and a motorcycle Reg/Rec "burns off" excess voltage by shunting it through resistors to ground. Unfortunately they don't have enough capacity to shunt the output of a car alternator and they fry almost immediately. As (the other) Jeff said, it's OK to jump them, just don't run the car while you're doing it. I would start the repair by replacing the Reg/Rec and see where it goes from there. If you let the magic smoke out of that it's definitely gone. I give that about an 80% chance of fixing it alone, but there may be other smoked wiring. Good luck and may the Schwartz be with you. -Jeff Khoury

[Horton Oliphant]

Not only would I not want to see what happens, I certainly wouldn't want to be any place close when it faulted. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

On 6/10/2012 7:41 AM, Mike Nasca wrote: > > > The US Navy let play with electrical and electronic systems for 20 or so > years. You _don't_ want to see what happens when 300 volts DC shorts in a > multi layer bus bar. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

Whatever you say, my friend. I won't get in a dueling recitement of qualifications with you, but I will tell you I've replaced dozens of Reg/Recs that popped after jump starting off a running car. If the car's charge voltage is slightly higher than the 13.8v charging spec and the motorcycle's tries to regulate it down, it will blow... guaranteed. Your scenario probably worked fine. As long as the key wasn't on the Reg/Rec was not connected anyway and wouldn't be in parallel with the car's charging system. Regarless, I agree with you that his harness probably fried because of a grounded wire somewhere. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Nasca" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:41:28 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! While the KLR is a motorcycle that burns off the excess power, and most small displacement motorcycles are similar. This was obviously not what happened here. Wiring harness fried. Most likely cause the short that killed the battery fried the rest of the harness when more power was applied. Which might have happened using a vehicle with a stopped engine. Battery pushes what probably around 3-400 CCA. Alternator somewhere below a hundred? Wall of text, minor rant to follow. Most motorcycles don't have that style charging system anymore. It wasn't for my '78 Motto Guzzi V-1000 Convert. Certainly wasn't for the Kawasaki Concours. Jumping with a running car isn't an issue on them. My sisters BMW with a 60 amp alternator it isn't true either. Charging voltage is set by the voltage applied to the alternator slip rings to control rotating magnetic field strength. No excess power to burn off. (Much "greener" solution but that isn't why they did it, allowed more power to be generated. ) Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. I couldn't get someone to jump that Motto Guzzi when I needed it they were all afraid they would damage it. Because, "Everybody told them so." The thing was a semi automatic so push starting was right out. All that said. I have jump started the KLR off a running 2001 S-10. (little cables, 12 gauge wire I made myself charge for a minute then push the button started right up) I left something connected so the 2008 ignition system didn't have the power to fire the ignition (I r stupid). Neat thing about voltmeters if the applied voltage is less than the regulator's setting nothing happens. If the jumping vehicle voltage is less than 14 you are pretty safe. With a dead battery if the voltage is outside the KLR's operating range the battery is toast as it _should_ be sucking down quite a bit of that current(reducing the voltage). If the voltage at the bike is over 13.5 either the battery is toast or you have a bad connection somewhere depending on where you are charging from. Would I jump it using auto jumper cables with a running auto? Not a chance. Murphy will get you if you let him. The US Navy let play with electrical and electronic systems for 20 or so years. You _don't_ want to see what happens when 300 volts DC shorts in a multi layer bus bar. Enjoy. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jeff Khoury Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:33 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN KLR650; zrislois2klr@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! Usually if you jump a bike with a car that's running, the most likely blown component is the Regulator/Rectifier. Motorcycles work differently than cars, and a motorcycle Reg/Rec "burns off" excess voltage by shunting it through resistors to ground. Unfortunately they don't have enough capacity to shunt the output of a car alternator and they fry almost immediately. As (the other) Jeff said, it's OK to jump them, just don't run the car while you're doing it. I would start the repair by replacing the Reg/Rec and see where it goes from there. If you let the magic smoke out of that it's definitely gone. I give that about an 80% chance of fixing it alone, but there may be other smoked wiring. Good luck and may the Schwartz be with you. -Jeff Khoury