just my luck

[Steve Davis]

Greetings. I just took shipment of a 98 KLR which arrived by Allied Van Lines. The radiator has supposedly been drained. At this point, what should be added and how much? I don't have the owners manual, so any advice is welcomed. thanks, steve

[Jim Hyman]

Steve, Kawasaki recommends a 50-50 mixture of anti-freeze & water. Total capacity is 1.3 liters, a bit less than 1-1/2 quarts. Use distilled water, not tap water. The anti-freeze should contain ethylene glycol, with corrosion & rust inhibitors. You may need to "burp" the cooling system to remove any trapped air in the system. Do this by filling the radiator and leaving the radiator cap off. Let your KLR idle until you feel warm coolant flowing at the top of the radiator. Add more coolant as necessary until the radiator is fully filled. There are LOW & FULL marks on the coolant recovery tank on the right side. With your KLR on its sidestand, the coolant level in the recovery tank should be between the LOW & FULL marks. Make sure that the radiator cap & the recovery tank covers are properly intalled & tightened. Kawi recommends that the coolant be replaced every 2 years. I highly recomment that all owners buy both factory service manuals (KLR600 'base' service manual & KLR650 'supplemental' service manual). You need both to properly service your bike. If this is a new bike for you, I recommend going over the KLR with a fine tooth comb, looking for loose nuts & bolts & carefully inspecting the battery, air filter, cables, tires, chain & sprockets. An oil & filter change is advised. Professor A9 Federal Way, WA. [USA] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- "Steve Davis" wrote:

> Greetings. I just took shipment of a 98 KLR which arrived by > Allied Van Lines. The radiator has supposedly been drained. > At this point, what should be added and how much? I don't > have the owners manual, so any advice is welcomed.

[jlabate@dakotacom.net]

Can someone tell me how much coolant the cooling system on the klr holds? Thanks.

[Phil Roddenberry]

According to my shop manual... 1.3 L - 50/50 mix. Phil A-15 Live Oak, FL

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., jlabate@d... wrote: > Can someone tell me how much coolant the cooling system on the klr > holds? Thanks.

[J. Gregory]

OK- Here is the word on coolants this is straight from the horses mouth I have in closed the answer received from asking the experts at Texaco It rather long but it explains everything. it's Havoline dex-cool for me o----- Original Message ----- From: "ASKTIC" To: "'J. Gregory'" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:08 PM Subject: RE: coolant

> Conventional green automotive anti-freeze coolants are ethylene glycol

based

> with silicate corrosion inhibitors. Silicate corrosion inhibitors are > abrasive toward water pump seals. General Motors, Toyota, Volkswagen, and > others specify silicate free coolants to reduce the frequency of water

pump

> seal failures. It is likely that many motorcycle manufacturers also

factory

> fill with silicate free ethylene glycol coolants. Havoline Dex-Cool

Extended

> Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant is a silicate free coolant that should work well

in

> all motorcycles and prolong the life of the water pump seal. There is no > reason that I am aware of that would justify a motorcycle only coolant. > > Multiple flushes with water are recommended to remove conventional

coolants

> before switching to Dex-Cool. > > Texaco Extend Life Antifreeze/Coolant has an additional nitrite additive

to

> protect diesel engine wet cylinder liners from pitting/cavitation. The > nitrite additive is not for gasoline engines and Havoline Dex-Cool would

be

> preferred for gasoline powered automobiles and motorcycles. > > Thank you for your interest in Texaco products. > > Richard Moore > Staff Engineer > Equilon Enterprises LLC > Lubricants - Technical Information Center > 1-800-782-7852, Option 3 > > > > > > > HAVOLINE DEX-COOL EXTENDED LIFE ANTI-FREEZE/COOLANT > > Code 7994 Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL > Code 7995 Havoline Extended Life Prediluted 50/50 Anti-Freeze/Coolant > DEX-COOL > > Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL is a single-phase, > ethylene glycol type universal automotive engine coolant based on Texaco's > patented extended life carboxylate inhibitor system. Havoline Extended

Life

> Prediluted 50/50 Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL is a 50/50 mixture of > Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant and deionized water. > > Product Application > > Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL is a universal engine > coolant which incorporates a patented carboxylate inhibitor technology.

This

> coolant meets both ASTM D 3306 for automotive service and ASTM D 4985 for > heavy duty diesel service. It is a nitrite-, nitrate-, phosphate-, > silicate-, borate and amine-free formulation which uses Texaco's patented > carboxylate technology to provide maximum protection of the six basic

metal

> alloys found in most heat transfer systems. Since the coolant contains no > phosphates or silicates, hard water deposits in the cooling system are > almost eliminated. The low level of abrasive dissolved solids in Havoline > Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL results in improved water pump > seal life. > > The life of a coolant in an automobile engine is limited by the corrosion > protection ability of the corrosion inhibitors. The main corrosion > inhibitors in Havoline DEX-COOL Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant has

been

> shown to remain above 95% of their original concentration after 150,000 > miles in automobiles. This allows much longer intervals between coolant > changes without worrying about loss of corrosion protection. Used Havoline > Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL was tested in laboratory > controlled corrosion tests for new coolants after it had already been in > service for more than 200,000 miles. The used Havoline Extended Life > Anti-Freeze/ Coolant DEX-COOL passed the ASTM D 1384 requirements for > glassware corrosion with results equivalent to new coolants and also

passed

> the ASTM D 4340 Aluminum Hot Surface Test for new coolant. Havoline Extend

ed

> Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL represents the next generation of > universal engine coolants. This coolant is suitable for a five year or > 150,000 mile service life in automotive applications. > > Note: These products are not to be used to protect the inside of potable > water systems against freezing. > > > > > > > TLP 1053 > (Revised 4-01)Product Description and Features > > Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL is manufactured from > ethylene glycol and a highly effective long term corrosion inhibitor

package

> based on carboxylate technology. This inhibitor system eliminates the need > for silicates, phosphates, borates, nitrites, nitrates and amine additives > traditionally used for this purpose. The replacement of these inhibitors

is

> significant for water pump life because many of these conventional > inhibitors have been shown to be abrasive to water pump seals. In

comparison

> field tests with conventional coolants in taxi fleets, Havoline Extended > Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL significantly reduced the need to

replace

> water pumps during the 100,000 mile test. > > In addition to fleet tests, this product has also been tested by a major > manufacturer of water pump seals, and has been found to be more compatible > with the seals than any other coolant tested. > > Benefits > > In service Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL provides: > > Meets GM6277M--General Motor's new Extended Life Coolant > specification > 5 year or 150,000 miles service interval > Provides effective, long term corrosion protection for aluminum, > brass, cast iron, steel, solder and copper > Protects against winter freeze up and minimizes the chance of summer > boil over > Compatible with water pump seal materials and minimizes the > formation of abrasive dissolved solids > Storage stable for at least eight years > No silicate dropout or gel formation during use or storage > 100% biodegradable in its pure unused form > Excellent heat transfer properties > Nitrite, borate, phosphate, nitrate, and amine free > Outstanding hot surface aluminum protection > Superior protection in high operating temperatures > Compatible with conventional antifreeze. Dilution with conventional > antifreeze will reduce extended life benefits. Texaco recommends that this > product not be diluted by more than 10% with conventional coolants. > > Product Recommendations and Approvals > > Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL is recommended for

use

> in the cooling systems of all types of automotive engines. This product > meets ASTM D 3306 for automotive service and ASTM D 4985 for heavy duty > diesel service. It meets GM 6277M, Ford WSS-M97B44-D, Volkswagen/Audi

G-12,

> and most other European OEM specifications. Havoline Extended Life > Prediluted 50/50 Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL meets ASTM D 4656 for > automotive pre-blend and ASTM D 5345 for heavy duty pre-blend. > > > > > Note: > > For optimum year round protection against freezing, boiling, and

corrosion,

> a 50 percent Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL solution > (1 part AF/1 part water) is recommended. For maximum protection against > freezing in extremely cold areas, a 60 percent solution (3 parts AF/2

parts

> water) can be used. Concentrations greater than 67 percent or less than 40 > percent are not recommended. > > Product Maintenance > > Traditional phosphate and borate containing coolants exhibit high pH and > reserve alkalinity (RA) when compared with Havoline Extended Life > Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL . Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant > DEX-COOL unique corrosion inhibitor system is designed to protect

aluminum

> and other system metals at lower pH levels than conventional coolants. A > comparison of Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL versus > traditional coolants is shown below. > > > > > The above comparison should not be used to draw conclusions about the > relative corrosion protection of Havoline Extended Life

Anti-Freeze/Coolant

> DEX-COOL versus conventional coolants. RA (reserved alkalinity) is

defined

> as the amount in milliliters (ml), of 0.1 normal hydrochloric acid

required

> to reduce the pH of 10 ml of antifreeze to 5.5. Since RA is based upon the > buffering curve of inhibitors which are not present in Havoline Extended > Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL , we suggests that it is more important > that initial pH not change drastically during service interval versus

using

> RA as a corrosion protection indicator. The American Society for Testing > Materials (ASTM) has recently eliminated RA level requirements in both key > antifreeze specifications: ASTM D3306 for automotive engines and ASTM

D4985

> for heavy duty engines. This action by the ASTM acknowledges that coolants > which are not based on phosphate and borate can provide excellent

corrosion

> protection for cooling system metals. > > Recommended dilution for Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant > DEX-COOL > > > > > Notes: > For optimum year round protection against freezing, boiling and > corrosion, a 50 percent Havoline Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant > DEX-COOL concentrate solution (1 part AF/1 part water) is recommended.

For

> maximum protection against freezing in extremely cold areas, a 60 percent > solution (3 parts AF/2 parts water) can be used. Concentrations greater > than 67 percent or less than 40 percent are not recommended. > > > > > Havoline Extended Life Prediluted 50/50 Anti-Freeze/Coolant > DEX-COOL should be used as manufactured. No dilution is recommended. > > Always dispose of used coolant in accordance with local, state, and > federal guidelines. > > Because this product is silicate free, Havoline Extended Life > Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL can be stored at least 8 years with no > problem. > > Typical Characteristics > > > > > > ASTM D 1384 Glassware Corrosion Test > > Weight loss in milligrams per coupon, negative indicates net gain > > > > > Handling Practices > > The primary limiting factor in the shelf life of a coolant is silicate > instability. Since silicate will eventually polymerize to silicate gel,

all

> traditional coolants have a shelf life of about 18 months. Havoline

Extended

> Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant DEX-COOL is silicate-free and, therefore, can be > stored for at least 8 years without a problem provided the integrity of

the

> container is maintained. > > For information on the safe handling and use of these products, refer to > their Material Safety Data Sheets. For more information and availability, > 1+800-782-7852. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J. Gregory [SMTP:jnjtrucking@...] > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:14 PM > > To: asktic@... > > Subject: coolant > > > > > > > > question 1-- is there a special anti-freeze for motor cycles > > > > question 2-- will extended life coolant work in my motor and if so will > > flushing my system a couple of times with distilled water be sufficient > > to clean system for change over > > question 3--if extended life coolant will work when should I worry about > > changing it in a one cylinder 650 cc engine in regular use > > > . > > thanks in advance--------------- a reply online would be fine > > > > James Gregory > > 251 Ouachita 403 > > Camden Arkansas U.S.A.. 71701 > > jnjtrucking@... > > > >

[RichardM]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "J. Gregory" wrote:

>Conventional green automotive anti-freeze coolants are ethylene >glycol based with silicate corrosion inhibitors.

I'm still baffled over this "conventional green" thing. Color is not a reliable indicator of coolant type. There are silicate-free greens, non-Toyota reds, and non-Dexcool oranges on the market. There are even yellow and blue coolants used by OEM's. RM

[guymanbro@excite.com]

> o----- Original Message ----- > From: "ASKTIC" > To: "'J. Gregory'" > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:08 PM > Subject: RE: coolant >

Havoline Dex-Cool Extended Life Anti-Freeze/Coolant is a silicate free coolant that should work well in all motorcycles and prolong the life of the water pump seal. .

> > > > Texaco Extend Life Antifreeze/Coolant has an additional nitrite

additive to protect diesel engine wet cylinder liners from pitting/cavitation. The nitrite additive is not for gasoline engines and Havoline Dex-Cool would be preferred for gasoline powered automobiles and motorcycles.

> >

OK, now I'm confused (what else is new)...I just bought a Texaco extended life coolant that says Dex-Cool on it...is this stuff ok or not? It doesn't list ingresients unfortunately. Only says ethylene glycol based coolant with "proprietary corrosional inhibitors." WTF does that mean? can anyone shed some light on this before I destroy my wife's bike with the wrong coolant? dat brooklyn bum

[FGJ]

> > > OK, now I'm confused (what else is new)...I just bought a Texaco > extended life coolant that says Dex-Cool on it...is this stuff ok or > not? It doesn't list ingresients unfortunately. Only says ethylene > glycol based coolant with "proprietary corrosional inhibitors." WTF > does that mean? >

Any of the Dex cool coolants would be superior to any normal phosphate / silicate additive containing "normal" coolants as it's less abrasive and less corrosive when it's half life has expired, even if it did have some additional additive for diesels, it would just be extraneous, a great deal of this is splitting hairs people have been using standard silicate coolants for a long time in all kinds of bikes without apparent problems, I personally use dex cool and synthetic oil because I'm quite attatched to my motorcycles, they're like good friends and deserve to be pampered but I bet if I used normal el cheapo coolant and decent mineral oil I'd never actually see a discernable difference. The dex cool apparently can be used for 5 years whearas the standard should be flushed and renewed after 3 years, the proprietary additives are doubtless ah improvement that allows for the extended use.

[Tumu Rock]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 18:08:01 -0500, FGJ wrote:

> > OK, now I'm confused (what else is new)...I just bought a Texaco > extended life coolant that says Dex-Cool on it...is this stuff ok or

not? It doesn't list ingresients unfortunately. Only says ethylene glycol based coolant with "proprietary corrosional inhibitors." WTF does that mean?

>

Any of the Dex cool coolants would be superior to any normal phosphate / silicate additive containing "normal" coolants I guess that was my real question...If it says Dex-Cool does that mean it's Silicate/Phosphate free? Do mfrs have to tell you if there are silicates or phosphates? dat brooklyn bum _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

[FGJ]

> I guess that was my real question...If it says Dex-Cool does that mean

it's

> Silicate/Phosphate free? Do mfrs have to tell you if there are silicates

or

> phosphates?

My Dex-Cool is the Havoline (Texaco) stuff and it indicates no silicate/phosphate additive on the jug, I'm virtually certain there's a standard formulation of Dex-cool that must be met to use the Dex-cool (tm) name, I'd be willing to bet it's all being manufactured by one source and then shipped in bulk and or re-packaged. The package say's distributed by some outfit in Houston, and that the product meets the GM Dex-Cool criterea. Fred J