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[wilbur_lakeland_fl]

have tried archives but cannot find anything telling how much performance increase going to k&n filter (starting to get a brainake looking) have read about it on arrowhead site - but you know that is going to be all good... I need answer from normal bro - Is it worth dropping $45 for one - getting ready to order some other crap from arrowhead and can't make a decision on this part - thanks

[klrz4ever]

Wilbur, My A11 had a surge at 4000 rpm so I put in a DynoJet kit and K&N filter at the same time. This cured the problem and gave me better carburetion overall (I also backed out the pilot jet screw as part of the jet install). I can't say I get a lot more performance, just smoother acceleration, cruise, and deceleration. If your bike runs fine as is, it probably won't make a big difference. One more note--if you buy the filter, you'll need the cleaning kit, too. The K&N is less messy to clean than the stock filter, if that helps. __Arden Kysely

[s2mumford]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "klrz4ever" wrote:

> Wilbur, > > My A11 had a surge at 4000 rpm so I put in a DynoJet kit and K&N > filter at the same time. This cured the problem and gave me better > carburetion overall (I also backed out the pilot jet screw as part

of

> the jet install). I can't say I get a lot more performance, just > smoother acceleration, cruise, and deceleration. If your bike runs > fine as is, it probably won't make a big difference. >

SNIP Arden, what jet size do you run ? I put in the 140 to go with my Big Gun pipe, but since I canned that thing and went with the Laser, I'm thinking I may be jetted a bit rich? Maybe I should use the 136?

> One more note--if you buy the filter, you'll need the cleaning kit, > too. The K&N is less messy to clean than the stock filter, if that > helps. > > __Arden Kysely

Also too, the K&N WILL clog and choke out your engine under the right conditions. I got off track a bit on a dual sport ride and ended up buried up to my frame in sand in a wash south of Ocotillo Wells, and all the dust I kicked up trying to get out of the wash went straight into my airbox, where it eventually completely clogged my air filter and caused my KLR to shit it's pants. I had to yank out the filter, scrape it with a swiss army knife, and beat it on a telephone pole just to get it to flow enough air so I could limp back to camp. Since then, I have taken to running filterskins (a pre-filter type of "sock") on the K&N to prevent that from happening. In conclusion, for a dualsport bike that sees lots of miles, I like the K&N filter, but for pure dirt riding (on an XR-R), I prefer a UNI filter. CA Stu PS I have seen clogged K&N's 3 times, so I know it's not just me, because I'm so special.

[klrz4ever]

> SNIP > >>> Arden, >>> what jet size do you run ? I put in the 140 to go with my Big

Gun pipe, but since I canned that thing and went with the Laser, I'm thinking I may be jetted a bit rich? Maybe I should use the 136? Stu, I'd have to check. If I changed the main, it was to whichever size came with the kit. Mostly it was a needle change and I had to drill a hole in the slide. If you changed to a less restrictive exhaust, you may well be running rich. I still get low 50's gas mileage with the stock exhaust.

>>> Also too, the K&N WILL clog and choke out your engine under the

right conditions. I haven't had that problem, but the filter skins sound like a good idea. Wouldn't hurt to have one handy. K&N claims their filters work better when dirty, but I guess you kinda took that to extremes. __Arden

[ridecaptan]

> > Arden, > what jet size do you run ? I put in the 140 to go with my Big Gun > pipe, but since I canned that thing and went with the Laser, I'm > thinking I may be jetted a bit rich? Maybe I should use the 136? > >

140 main? The stock main jet is a 148 according to the manual. I saw on this persons site where he suggested a 160 main and a 42 pilot along with a backward L shaped hole cut on top of the air box. The hole diameter was 1" and the length was 3". This along with a Big Gun pipe. He commented if this mod is done, to hold on! I know when I did similar mods to my DRZ400s, it really woke it up. Stay tuned, because just as soon as I reach 1000 miles, I'm trying it! Ed A15

[Tengai650]

At 6:43 PM -0500 4/24/2002, David Kelly wrote:

>"wilbur_lakeland_fl" writes: >> have tried archives but cannot find anything telling how much >> performance increase going to k&n filter > >Can't find performance increase data for a K&N filter? Think maybe that >might mean there isn't any? Performance increase, I mean. Not data.

K&N filters suck, well... the problem is they don't suck. Air, that is. The only reason I stayed with them is their durable construction (and I stupidly knocked out the screen in my Tengai's airbox). The stock filter flows WAY better. Mark B2 (K&N) A2 (K&N.... some people never learn) A3 (stock filter)

[RM]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, David Kelly wrote:

>girls on MTV. A good foam air filter will both filter the air better and >be cheaper than a K&N. A paper air filter is also a good filter but will >last longer without service than a foam filter.

Not to sound like a broken record about my friggin oil analysis, but silicon levels were well within acceptable limits. My oil filter? Stock, with Bel-Ray's blue filter oil. I ate a lot of dust that month, too.

[s2mumford]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "klrz4ever" wrote:

> > > SNIP > > > >>> Arden, > >>> what jet size do you run ? I put in the 140 to go with my Big > Gun pipe, but since I canned that thing and went with the Laser,

I'm

> thinking I may be jetted a bit rich? Maybe I should use the 136? > > > Stu, > I'd have to check. If I changed the main, it was to whichever size > came with the kit. Mostly it was a needle change and I had to drill

a

> hole in the slide. If you changed to a less restrictive exhaust,

you

> may well be running rich. I still get low 50's gas mileage with the > stock exhaust. >

My kit came with 3 jets: 136, 140, and 150 Stu

[Bert Fox, Nevada MGNOC rep]

The biggest advantage to a KN filter is their life. You can clean and reuse them as long as you own your bike. If you trade bikes every few years, it probably won't be feasible. The KN also does a better job when they are dirty than a foam filter. Most stock foam filters can start to seperate at the seams in a short time after a few cleanings. I do not think you will notice a "seat of the pants" improvement. That being said, I have one in my truck and in two of my bikes... Bert Fox Elko, NV --- wilbur_lakeland_fl wrote:

> have tried archives but cannot find anything telling > how much > performance increase going to k&n filter (starting > to get a brainake > looking) have read about it on arrowhead site - but > you know that is > going to be all good... > > I need answer from normal bro - Is it worth dropping > $45 for one - > getting ready to order some other crap from > arrowhead and can't make > a decision on this part - thanks > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[s2mumford]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., David Kelly wrote:

> "wilbur_lakeland_fl" writes: > > have tried archives but cannot find anything telling how much > > performance increase going to k&n filter >

There is no performance increase to be had unless your stock filter element isn't flowing enough air to feed your motor. I don't think that is the case with a KLR 650 motor. However, the positive side of a K&N is less maintenance. Also, a foam filter that is full of dirt will still allow dirt and air to pass through it, a K&N will not. Hence, your KLR will not run. That's why dirt racers run foam filters. Their motor will be rebuilt frequently, and it's more important to them to finish a race than protect their motor.

> > I need answer from normal bro - Is it worth dropping $45 for one - > > getting ready to order some other crap from arrowhead and can't

make

> > a decision on this part - thanks

If you don't like cleaning your foam filter all the time, you're not planning to ride in horrendous dustbowl conditions for 500 miles in 2 days, and $45 fits in your budget, get the K&N.

> > IMO, run away from any vehicle equiped with a K&N filter as the

owner is

> a clueless automaton programmed by advertising copy and squeaky

voiced

> girls on MTV.

SNIP Ouch! Could it be the owner is a lazy bastard and can throw a rock across the freeway and hit the K&N plant from his office? Stu