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[Karim von Alvensleben]

Hello everyone, writing to you now from coldish Switzerland where I've finally met up with my 2003 C-Model and WOW! Thing is really a beauty to see and even more to ride. Torque coming out all over the place and it's so damn smooth to drive around. Happy to be part of the club boys! Now, to the more serious matters though... As some might recall I am going to ship this baby down to the African turf in Zanzibar where it should feel right at home. However, unleaded fuel is as easily available as a brothel in downtown Kabul... I read on the KLE 500's manual that Super will go in just fine (damn garage can't find the KLR owner's manual so I'm waiting for it from the factory). Now, I've never had a doubt that it shouldn't be a problem, but now I've had a discussion with a buddy who doesn't agree... Now, that I know of unleaded engines have a catalytic converter which only really comes into play as far as emissions go. Leaded fuel will screw up the catalytic converter, but that should have no effect on the engine, its efficiency or its output. Am I right? Can anyone tell me the main difference between an engine made for leaded and unleaded fuel? And how much damage is actually done by using leaded fuel in an engine built for unleaded fuel? Thanx again! KvA Lugano, Switzerland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[Adam]

Main difference is hardened exhaust valve seats in an unleaded engine. I dont know for sure if a KLR has a cat convertor on it, I would have said no but then I heard it did???? Maybe some one else can clarify as my stock exhaust is long gone. The engine itself will be more than happy and maybe even thankful for a little lead, help lube the valves and run a little cooler combustion. Too much lead is bad, can foul plugs, etc... If there is no cat convertor I would run the lead, even if I had a choice. Like I said, the head and exhaust valves will thank you for it. Adam 04 KLR 650 04 KTM 450 MXC --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Karim von Alvensleben wrote:

> > Hello everyone, writing to you now from coldish > Switzerland where I've finally met up with my 2003 > C-Model and WOW! Thing is really a beauty to see and > even more to ride. Torque coming out all over the > place and it's so damn smooth to drive around. Happy > to be part of the club boys! > > Now, to the more serious matters though... As some > might recall I am going to ship this baby down to the > African turf in Zanzibar where it should feel right at > home. However, unleaded fuel is as easily available as > a brothel in downtown Kabul... I read on the KLE 500's > manual that Super will go in just fine (damn garage > can't find the KLR owner's manual so I'm waiting for > it from the factory). Now, I've never had a doubt that > it shouldn't be a problem, but now I've had a > discussion with a buddy who doesn't agree... > > Now, that I know of unleaded engines have a catalytic > converter which only really comes into play as far as > emissions go. Leaded fuel will screw up the catalytic > converter, but that should have no effect on the > engine, its efficiency or its output. Am I right? Can > anyone tell me the main difference between an engine > made for leaded and unleaded fuel? And how much damage > is actually done by using leaded fuel in an engine > built for unleaded fuel? > > Thanx again! > > KvA > Lugano, Switzerland > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 4/18/2006 2:07:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, axrh350@... writes: Main difference is hardened exhaust valve seats in an unleaded engine. I dont know for sure if a KLR has a cat convertor on it, I would have said no but then I heard it did???? Maybe some one else can clarify as my stock exhaust is long gone. The recent article in DSN incorrectly stated that the KLR muffler had a catalytic converter. It does not. Kurt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Your bike will run fine on unleaded fuel. I used to run my '82 KZ650 on 100LL (100 octane 'Low Lead') avgas, which has more lead in it that automotive fuel ever had. I used to get it for free 10 years ago when it retailed for 'expensive' price of $2.20 a gallon. I'm afraid to see what they charge for the stuff these days! The bike really ran smooth on it; no power gain, just smmoooth. So anyway, yes, go ahead and use automotive leaded fuel in your KLR without fear. Mark At 10:56 AM -0700 4/18/06, Karim von Alvensleben wrote:

>...unleaded fuel is as easily available as >a brothel in downtown Kabul... I read on the KLE 500's >manual that Super will go in just fine .... Now, I've never had a doubt that >it shouldn't be a problem, but now I've had a >discussion with a buddy who doesn't agree... > >Now, that I know of unleaded engines have a catalytic >converter which only really comes into play as far as >emissions go. Leaded fuel will screw up the catalytic >converter, but that should have no effect on the >engine, its efficiency or its output. Am I right? Can >anyone tell me the main difference between an engine >made for leaded and unleaded fuel? And how much damage >is actually done by using leaded fuel in an engine >built for unleaded fuel?

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

Run the unleaded. Leaded was dropped here due to lead in the environment. It also just happened to screw up cat converters. Double bonus. About the only thing you may get is a little more soot on the plugs. The lead may actually be good for the valves. Tetraethyl lead is a lubricant. Everybody cried when it went away, claiming doomsday for engines. Obviously changes were made to prevent that. Most important is getting the right octane. Considering what i hear about gas quality in foreign countries, I might be inclined to go on the high side of octane, such as use 87 or 91 octane. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Shawn]

you may use leaded fuel in the klr. but you cannot use unleaded fuel in say an old v8 engine due to it would wear out valve seats quickly .klr would probably run a little better but leaded fuel is bad on environment especially since klr has no cat. convertor or emissions control, except for the Schwarzenegger model which has pollution control shawn a15 ohio --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Karim von Alvensleben wrote:

> > Hello everyone, writing to you now from coldish > Switzerland where I've finally met up with my 2003 > C-Model and WOW! Thing is really a beauty to see and > even more to ride. Torque coming out all over the > place and it's so damn smooth to drive around. Happy > to be part of the club boys! > > Now, to the more serious matters though... As some > might recall I am going to ship this baby down to the > African turf in Zanzibar where it should feel right at > home. However, unleaded fuel is as easily available as > a brothel in downtown Kabul... I read on the KLE 500's > manual that Super will go in just fine (damn garage > can't find the KLR owner's manual so I'm waiting for > it from the factory). Now, I've never had a doubt that > it shouldn't be a problem, but now I've had a > discussion with a buddy who doesn't agree... > > Now, that I know of unleaded engines have a catalytic > converter which only really comes into play as far as > emissions go. Leaded fuel will screw up the catalytic > converter, but that should have no effect on the > engine, its efficiency or its output. Am I right? Can > anyone tell me the main difference between an engine > made for leaded and unleaded fuel? And how much damage > is actually done by using leaded fuel in an engine > built for unleaded fuel? > > Thanx again! > > KvA > Lugano, Switzerland > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

[Adam]

That's where I read it, thanks Kurt Adam

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Krgrife@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 2:07:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > axrh350@... writes: > > Main difference is hardened exhaust valve seats in an unleaded > engine. I dont know for sure if a KLR has a cat convertor on it, I > would have said no but then I heard it did???? Maybe some one else > can clarify as my stock exhaust is long gone. > > > > > The recent article in DSN incorrectly stated that the KLR muffler had a > catalytic converter. It does not. > Kurt > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[revmaaatin]

Hi Mark, Based on your experience; Would you suggest changing the spark plug (hotter-colder) when running leaded fuel or change the sparkplug gap? Seems to me (collective fuzzy memory) that leaded fuel burns cooler, or is that a misconception (=fertile thought) to me? revmaaatin. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> > Your bike will run fine on unleaded fuel. > I used to run my '82 KZ650 on 100LL (100 octane 'Low Lead') avgas, > which has more lead in it that automotive fuel ever had. I used to > get it for free 10 years ago when it retailed for 'expensive'

price

> of $2.20 a gallon. I'm afraid to see what they charge for the

stuff

> these days! The bike really ran smooth on it; no power gain, just > smmoooth. > So anyway, yes, go ahead and use automotive leaded fuel in your

KLR

> without fear. > > Mark > > > At 10:56 AM -0700 4/18/06, Karim von Alvensleben wrote: > >...unleaded fuel is as easily available as > >a brothel in downtown Kabul... I read on the KLE 500's > >manual that Super will go in just fine .... Now, I've never had a

doubt that

> >it shouldn't be a problem, but now I've had a > >discussion with a buddy who doesn't agree... > > > >Now, that I know of unleaded engines have a catalytic > >converter which only really comes into play as far as > >emissions go. Leaded fuel will screw up the catalytic > >converter, but that should have no effect on the > >engine, its efficiency or its output. Am I right? Can > >anyone tell me the main difference between an engine > >made for leaded and unleaded fuel? And how much damage > >is actually done by using leaded fuel in an engine > >built for unleaded fuel? >

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

Don't change anything. Run as is. There is far more difference between different refiners and brands day to day differences than what a little lead will do. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Harry Seifert]

No cat on the KLR, yet. I have been running 108 octane every fourth tank or so and my stock heat range ND spark plug is as happy as a clam in white sauce. The old line about two strokes and leaded gas was that the lead caused fouling of the plug. That was supposed to happen with two strokes and oil injection, although I never saw it happen. Buddy bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: Adam > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 4/18/2006 2:06:20 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Leaded fuel in an unleaded engine > > Main difference is hardened exhaust valve seats in an unleaded > engine. I dont know for sure if a KLR has a cat convertor on it, I > would have said no but then I heard it did???? Maybe some one else > can clarify as my stock exhaust is long gone. The engine itself > will be more than happy and maybe even thankful for a little lead, > help lube the valves and run a little cooler combustion. Too much > lead is bad, can foul plugs, etc... If there is no cat convertor I > would run the lead, even if I had a choice. Like I said, the head > and exhaust valves will thank you for it. > > > Adam > 04 KLR 650 > 04 KTM 450 MXC > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Karim von Alvensleben > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, writing to you now from coldish > > Switzerland where I've finally met up with my 2003 > > C-Model and WOW! Thing is really a beauty to see and > > even more to ride. Torque coming out all over the > > place and it's so damn smooth to drive around. Happy > > to be part of the club boys! > > > > Now, to the more serious matters though... As some > > might recall I am going to ship this baby down to the > > African turf in Zanzibar where it should feel right at > > home. However, unleaded fuel is as easily available as > > a brothel in downtown Kabul... I read on the KLE 500's > > manual that Super will go in just fine (damn garage > > can't find the KLR owner's manual so I'm waiting for > > it from the factory). Now, I've never had a doubt that > > it shouldn't be a problem, but now I've had a > > discussion with a buddy who doesn't agree... > > > > Now, that I know of unleaded engines have a catalytic > > converter which only really comes into play as far as > > emissions go. Leaded fuel will screw up the catalytic > > converter, but that should have no effect on the > > engine, its efficiency or its output. Am I right? Can > > anyone tell me the main difference between an engine > > made for leaded and unleaded fuel? And how much damage > > is actually done by using leaded fuel in an engine > > built for unleaded fuel? > > > > Thanx again! > > > > KvA > > Lugano, Switzerland > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at:

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