avon gripsters... oops ordered two fronts.

[Eric Lee Green]

Just curious. Do they cause high speed instability? Have odd handling characteristics in the twisties? Etc.? Reason I ask is because Avon Gripsters might wear like iron on the street, but have about as much traction as ice when it comes to anything other than pavement... but if more dirt-oriented tires have bad street manners, well, I just might have to put up with that. BTW, I like my Kenda 761's, but they're not exactly dirt tires either (though marginally better than Gripsters) and just plain wear too fast. -E

[David Farrell]

I have used both of these tires. The D606's have great off road traction but on the highway, you can feel the lugs and get a slight humming or vibration on the pavement when you get up to speed. Let me just say this is just slight feel. It is not as bad as some may think. The TKC-80 Is also good off road. I don't think its as good as the D606 when you get into the heavy stuff (mud). The TKC-80 is super smooth on the road. I have felt no road noise or humming at all. I have noticed that the rear TKC-80 seems to wear very quickly at first but then the remainder of the tire seems to last longer. This could have been the result of messing with tire pressures though. Both of these tire also give pretty good street traction. Both better than most might think. I have stuck with the TKC-80's. One reason is I have several in my basement that I bought off ebay awhile back for $25 each. At this price, I couldn't go wrong. David Farrell --- Eric Lee Green wrote:

> Just curious. Do they cause high speed instability? > Have odd handling > characteristics in the twisties? Etc.? > > Reason I ask is because Avon Gripsters might wear > like iron on the > street, but have about as much traction as ice when > it comes to anything > other than pavement... but if more dirt-oriented > tires have bad street > manners, well, I just might have to put up with > that. > > BTW, I like my Kenda 761's, but they're not exactly > dirt tires either > (though marginally better than Gripsters) and just > plain wear too fast. > > -E > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Analog Aardvark]

I haven't run TKCs. My experience with 606 is that if you remember that you're running a reasonably serious knobby, they're fine. If you forget and treat them like a street tire you have a problem. I locked up the front one coming to a casual stop at a red light and scared the bejesus out of myself... to me, it feels like the K270s grab better on the road. They also sing a lot less than the 606s, which really howled for me. i know guys on BMWs with larger wallets and TKCs who love em, but they don't seem to last. Out of curiousity, what kind of mileage are you getting out of the 761s? i was thinking of running a set as a street tire to/from mexico (from NYC). -Luke

> Just curious. Do they cause high speed instability? > Have odd handling > characteristics in the twisties? Etc.? > > BTW, I like my Kenda 761's, but they're not exactly > dirt tires either > (though marginally better than Gripsters) and just > plain wear too fast. >

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[ron criswell]

The 606's are a great tire for street approaved knobbie - off road. For street riding they didn't bother me at all but I think you would be real careful on rainy days. I rode them 1200 miles down in Mexico mostly paved but when you get to the rough you will be glad you have them. They howled but did fine. The Continentals - they seemed to wear too quick or not have enough knob to start with maybe. Presently I am running the IRC GP1's which I also like. They seem to grip well on or off road. But they seem to wear quick also as all knobbies will on street. The kenda 270's are supposed to be a cheaper copy of the IRC which a lot of people like but some don't because of not a very stiff sidewall. But they do make a 3.25 21 which is nice in sandy stuff. I'm thinking of going back to the 606's as I like a true dirt tire in the rough and I like having the bee jeebers scared out of me trying to avoid Granny in her Buick panic stopping on a rainy day. Rodney Copland has got me seriuosly considering his combo. A 606 laced to an 18 inch fatter rim up front for the front end heavy KLR. That little skinny 3.00 21 is not quite enough up front in loose stuff. I remember desert racers back in the 60's used to do stuff like that for deep sand. Plus it lowers the bike about an inch for all you short leggers out there. Criswell --- David Farrell wrote:

> I have used both of these tires. The D606's have > great off road traction but on the highway, you can > feel the lugs and get a slight humming or vibration > on > the pavement when you get up to speed. Let me just > say this is just slight feel. It is not as bad as > some may think. The TKC-80 Is also good off road. > I > don't think its as good as the D606 when you get > into > the heavy stuff (mud). The TKC-80 is super smooth > on > the road. I have felt no road noise or humming at > all. I have noticed that the rear TKC-80 seems to > wear very quickly at first but then the remainder of > the tire seems to last longer. This could have been > the result of messing with tire pressures though. > Both of these tire also give pretty good street > traction. Both better than most might think. I > have > stuck with the TKC-80's. One reason is I have > several > in my basement that I bought off ebay awhile back > for > $25 each. At this price, I couldn't go wrong. > David Farrell > > --- Eric Lee Green wrote: > > > Just curious. Do they cause high speed > instability? > > Have odd handling > > characteristics in the twisties? Etc.? > > > > Reason I ask is because Avon Gripsters might wear > > like iron on the > > street, but have about as much traction as ice > when > > it comes to anything > > other than pavement... but if more dirt-oriented > > tires have bad street > > manners, well, I just might have to put up with > > that. > > > > BTW, I like my Kenda 761's, but they're not > exactly > > dirt tires either > > (though marginally better than Gripsters) and just > > plain wear too fast. > > > > -E > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > >

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[J Fortner]

The last set of Kenda 270 s I received seemed to have a considerably stiffer sidewall than past 270 s I have mounted. Maybe the complaints haven't fallen on deaf ears? I believe it was Avon? went from 5 to 6 plys on some of their tires after customer complaints. Perhaps Kenda has added a ply? I will attempt measurements at the next change. Jim Fortner Plano, TX A7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 02:57 AM 1/19/2006, Eric Lee Green wrote:

>Just curious. Do they cause high speed instability? Have odd handling >characteristics in the twisties? Etc.?

The D606 is a great all-purpose tire. Awesome in dirt and no problem on pavement. They're not designed for peg dragging, but I've done 2 high-speed all interstate hwy iron butt runs on them with no ass pucker in curves or on wet pavement. They wear evenly as a set and I get 5-6.5K per set. Mark

[Eric Lee Green]

David Farrell wrote:

> some may think. The TKC-80 Is also good off road. I > don't think its as good as the D606 when you get into > the heavy stuff (mud). The TKC-80 is super smooth on > the road. I have felt no road noise or humming at > all. I have noticed that the rear TKC-80 seems to > wear very quickly at first but then the remainder of > the tire seems to last longer.

How many miles are you getting out of the TKC-80? _E

[Eric Lee Green]

Analog Aardvark wrote:

> Out of curiousity, what kind of mileage are you > getting out of the 761s? i was thinking of running a > set as a street tire to/from mexico (from NYC). >

Don't even think of it. I'm getting about 4500 miles out of a pair. The front still has plenty of tread at the end of it, but is scalloped and cupped enough to make handling iffy, thus you want to replace as a pair. Get Gripsters if you want long life on a trip of that length. Thanks for your input on the D606. Sounds to me like it's not the tire for me, not if you can lock up the front tire in casual braking. I've grabbed a fistfull and had the 761 chuff at me, but never locked it up on dry clean pavement. -E

[jordanvesteyo]

Hey guys I haven't posted here before but I have found it to be full of useful information. I ordered a set of Gripsters for my KLR. Well, I had a brianfart when ordering tires and accidentally ordered 2 fronts. I was going to return the other tire to the shop but UPS/Fedex wants $22-$25 to ship this thing back. So if anyone is in the Philadelphia area and is looking to buy Gripsters, I have an AM24 90/90 T 21 front here for $70, which is less than I paid. It has not been mounted, the stickers are on it. Thanks John Jordan Philly