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[Bogdan Swider]

Came home yesterday to an upset wife. No this time it wasn't due to my chronic insensitivity. Here's the story: For a year or so she's been shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. Last week - to her disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she and a girlfriend were on the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store. There was no place to park on the street. She pulled into a lot and parked in place that was reserved for customers of the defunct grocery. The sign still said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " She figured she could park there and left the car for an hour while they had lunch and chatter. The car got towed - cost $160. Her girl friend said that since the sign hadn't been changed she should pursue justice in some version of small claims court she had experience with. What do you guys think ? Bogdan, dedicated, loyal husband

[Dail]

She may not win, but if it were me I'd try, the cost of filing in small claims court is not that great.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bogdan Swider" To: "KLR list" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Parking/Towing nklr | Came home yesterday to an upset wife. No this time it wasn't due to my | chronic insensitivity. Here's the story: For a year or so she's been | shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. Last week - to her | disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she and a girlfriend were on | the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store. | There | was no place to park on the street. She pulled into a lot and parked in | place that was reserved for customers of the defunct grocery. The sign | still | said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " She figured she could | park | there and left the car for an hour while they had lunch and chatter. The | car | got towed - cost $160. Her girl friend said that since the sign hadn't | been | changed she should pursue justice in some version of small claims court | she | had experience with. What do you guys think ? | | Bogdan, dedicated, loyal husband | | | | Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html | List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com | List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html | Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/05 | | -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/05

[ron criswell]

Ahh ..... arguing with City Hall has never been successful for me. Once test riding a bike that didn't have a inspection sticker (that I wasn't aware of). I felt the bike shop should have got the ticket. Judge says "Guilty Criswell." Another time I received a ticket for drinking beer out of a glass container which signs had just been put up 3 days previous that I did not see. Judge says "Guilty Criswell." But the fact that she is a lady may help. My wife has got a ticket taken off her record by arguing her case in court. And my beautiful niece sweet talked a cop into letting her go after a few martinis when she could have gone to jail. And her demeanor in court may help. You know coach her not to say " This lying ass tow truck driving scum" but to say 'Your Honer, I know this beautiful man driving this tow truck was only doing his job pulling my car away in a snowstorm while I was shopping for baby food and cold medicine for my starving babies at home" (sniffling heavily). Might work, worth a try. Criswell

On Thursday, December 22, 2005, at 08:06 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: > Came home yesterday to an upset wife. No this time it wasn't due to my > chronic insensitivity. Here's the story: For a year or so she's been > shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. Last week - to her > disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she and a girlfriend were > on > the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store. > There > was no place to park on the street. She pulled into a lot and parked > in > place that was reserved for customers of the defunct grocery. The sign > still > said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " She figured she could > park > there and left the car for an hour while they had lunch and chatter. > The > car > got towed - cost $160. Her girl friend said that since the sign hadn't > been > changed she should pursue justice in some version of small claims court > she > had experience with. What do you guys think ? > > Bogdan, dedicated, loyal husband > > >

[E.L. Green]

Ron Criswell wrote:

>Ahh ..... arguing with City Hall has never been successful for me. Once > >

Except this wasn't city hall. Apparently her car got towed on behalf of the property owner, and her recourse is against the property owner. In order to win, she must prove that a) she was a customer of the store (maybe some old receipts or something), and b) that the signs were still up (quick, run out and get a photo of the signs with today's newspaper before they take them down!). If the judge decides in her favor, she gets both damages (the $160) and the filing fee (generally somewhere around $60). If not, well, she's out the filing fee, and that's that. One thing to be aware of is that in some states, like Arizona (where small claims courts are called "justice courts" and are presided over by a Justice of the Peace rather than by a judge), the loser can appeal to a "real" court. On the other hand, for a $200 claim, that's hardly likely... hell, a law shark would charge them more than $200 just to file the appeal.

>>shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. Last week - to her >>disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she and a girlfriend were >>on >>the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store. >>There >>was no place to park on the street. She pulled into a lot and parked >>in >>place that was reserved for customers of the defunct grocery. The sign >>still >>said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " >>

[Jim Link]

I'm not sure of the particulars, but was it a sign that the city put in place on a roadway or a parking lot? ALL SIGNS, and I mean all that are placed by the city on a roadway must have an ordinance to place the sign. Alot of time public works bosses just slap up a sign. therefore the sign is not legal. I would ask for the ordinance which placed the sign. If it was private property you would have to go to the property owner. I have been on the city side of this argument in court. Never the less, who ever claims responsibilty for the sign is the person you need to go after in court. --- Ron Criswell wrote:

> Ahh ..... arguing with City Hall has never been > successful for me. Once > test riding a bike that didn't have a inspection > sticker (that I wasn't > aware of). I felt the bike shop should have got the > ticket. Judge says > "Guilty Criswell." > > Another time I received a ticket for drinking beer > out of a glass > container which signs had just been put up 3 days > previous that I did > not see. Judge says "Guilty Criswell." > > But the fact that she is a lady may help. My wife > has got a ticket > taken off her record by arguing her case in court. > And my beautiful > niece sweet talked a cop into letting her go after a > few martinis when > she could have gone to jail. And her demeanor in > court may help. You > know coach her not to say " This lying ass tow truck > driving scum" but > to say 'Your Honer, I know this beautiful man > driving this tow truck > was only doing his job pulling my car away in a > snowstorm while I was > shopping for baby food and cold medicine for my > starving babies at > home" (sniffling heavily). Might work, worth a try. > > Criswell > On Thursday, December 22, 2005, at 08:06 AM, Bogdan > Swider wrote: > > > Came home yesterday to an upset wife. No this time > it wasn't due to my > > chronic insensitivity. Here's the story: For a > year or so she's been > > shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. > Last week - to her > > disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she > and a girlfriend were > > on > > the way to doing lunch across the street from the, > now closed, store. > > There > > was no place to park on the street. She pulled > into a lot and parked > > in > > place that was reserved for customers of the > defunct grocery. The sign > > still > > said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " > She figured she could > > park > > there and left the car for an hour while they had > lunch and chatter. > > The > > car > > got towed - cost $160. Her girl friend said that > since the sign hadn't > > been > > changed she should pursue justice in some version > of small claims court > > she > > had experience with. What do you guys think ? > > > > Bogdan, dedicated, loyal husband > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bogdan Swider" wrote:

> > Came home yesterday to an upset wife. No this time it wasn't due to my > chronic insensitivity. Here's the story: For a year or so she's been > shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. Last week - to her > disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she and a girlfriend were on > the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store. > There > was no place to park on the street. She pulled into a lot and parked in > place that was reserved for customers of the defunct grocery. The sign > still > said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " She figured she could > park > there and left the car for an hour while they had lunch and chatter. The > car > got towed - cost $160. Her girl friend said that since the sign hadn't > been > changed she should pursue justice in some version of small claims court > she > had experience with. What do you guys think ? > > Bogdan, dedicated, loyal husband >

That sounds like what my clients in the towing business would call a "private property tow". The tow company contracts with property owners to tow vehicles which are parked without authorization. Sometimes they tow only on a call from a property manager, but in other cases, the tow company patrols the lots where it has towing contracts. The towed vehicle goes to a private impound lot rather than a municipal lot. The towing and impound fees are typically regulated by local ordinance. Since the store was closed, I'd guess that there was no complaint in your wife's case, but that a tow driver saw an opportunity for profit on a lot where he had a contract. In strict legal terms, he was probably within his rights to tow your wife. You could get lucky with a small claims referee, but it's uphill. The tow company will send someone with the driver who is used to small claims court (these guys get sued all the time). Nevertheless, it doesn't hurt to try; You may be able to settle for a partial refund. The big question is, does your wife have the stomach for a half day of gut-gnawing anxiety? If she relishes the conflict, it could be an entertaining and enlightening experience. If not, or if she really cares how it comes out, the wear and tear may be worth more than a hundred and sixty bucks.

[Doug Herr]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> Yesterday she and a girlfriend were on > the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store.

Not a legal point, but... What if that store was still open at the time? Would she have parked there even if she was not going into that store on that day? Would she feel that she has the right to park there because she has a history of shopping there? I feel that I only have a right to park in their lot while I am in their store. Not saying that I would not try to fight it, but if you want moralistic opinions on this, then there you go. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[ron criswell]

My point was she will still have to be in front of a judge of some sort . Criswell

On Thursday, December 22, 2005, at 08:47 AM, E.L. Green wrote: > Ron Criswell wrote: > >> Ahh ..... arguing with City Hall has never been successful for me. >> Once > Except this wasn't city hall. Apparently her car got towed on behalf > of the property owner, and her recourse is against the property owner. > > In order to win, she must prove that a) she was a customer of the > store (maybe some old receipts or something), and b) that the signs > were still up (quick, run out and get a photo of the signs with > today's newspaper before they take them down!). If the judge decides > in her favor, she gets both damages (the $160) and the filing fee > (generally somewhere around $60). If not, well, she's out the filing > fee, and that's that. > > One thing to be aware of is that in some states, like Arizona (where > small claims courts are called "justice courts" and are presided over > by a Justice of the Peace rather than by a judge), the loser can > appeal to a "real" court. On the other hand, for a $200 claim, that's > hardly likely... hell, a law shark would charge them more than $200 > just to file the appeal. > >>> shopping in a downtown specialty grocery store. Last week - to her >>> disappointment - the store closed. Yesterday she and a girlfriend >>> were on >>> the way to doing lunch across the street from the, now closed, store. >>> There >>> was no place to park on the street. She pulled into a lot and >>> parked in >>> place that was reserved for customers of the defunct grocery. The >>> sign >>> still >>> said " Parking for Tejon Street customers only " >

[Bogdan Swider]

> > What if that store was still open at the time? Would she have > parked there even if she was not going into that store on that > day?

Yes, she did that all the time. But only for an hour or so. Bogdan

[David Critchley]

If she can show that she ever bought anything from the old store, would that show that she was a customer? (As opposed to a "current customer", which the sign did not apparently specify). I had a similar argument in Germany with the civilian manager of the military grocery store. The parking signs read "Officers Only" and I had to educate him about the fact that NCOs are "Officers" in spite of his limited grasp of the system. He was displeased, but that kept me awake for about 2 milliseconds. Good luck DC Ron Criswell wrote:

>My point was she will still have to be in front of a judge of some sort >. > >Criswell >On Thursday, December 22, 2005, at 08:47 AM, E.L. Green wrote: > > > >>Ron Criswell wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ahh ..... arguing with City Hall has never been successful for me. >>>Once >>> >>> >>Except this wasn't city hall. Apparently her car got towed on behalf >>of the property owner, and her recourse is against the property owner. >> >> >> >> > >

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