nklr-rear end collision (morality)

[Don Bittle]

I wonder if anyone has used "Hot Hands", available at Wal-Mart and other fine retailers? Through the years, I've used them for camping, caving and hunting, but never on the bike. (I live in sunny Southern Illinois!). don a17 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[J Fortner]

On 12/6/05, Don Bittle wrote:

> I wonder if anyone has used "Hot Hands", available at Wal-Mart and other fine retailers? > Through the years, I've used them for camping, caving and hunting, but never on the bike. (I live in sunny Southern Illinois!).

Yes, I have used hot hands in an emergency on a bike. 12 hours 800 mile trip sub freezing temps. They work well for short periods of time ie a few hours. Do not put them against bare skin or they will burn your skin as in chemical burn. They work in a pinch. If I had my preference I would go with heated gloves, grips and jacket. The money spent on these items looks much more reasonable when you are freezing to death. Spend the money $30 grips/$130 gloves/jacket$200. You will think it is a bargain tooling along warm and toasty. Heated socks haven't tried em but I hear they are something. Just my experience Jim Fortner Plano, TX

[JerseyFJRocket@aol.com]

I have Widders vest and gloves for winter riding on my Caponord. And on those real cold mornings....Ill throw those Hot Hands in my boots. They work pretty good! Bill ittle To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:37:58 -0600 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] cold I wonder if anyone has used "Hot Hands", available at Wal-Mart and other fine retailers? Through the years, I've used them for camping, caving and hunting, but never on the bike. (I live in sunny Southern Illinois!). don a17 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

Yep used them on my cold ride from jacksonville to Dallas last january. Better than nothing. Take plenty. Criswell

On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 08:37 PM, Don Bittle wrote: > I wonder if anyone has used "Hot Hands", available at Wal-Mart and > other fine retailers? > Through the years, I've used them for camping, caving and hunting, but > never on the bike. (I live in sunny Southern Illinois!). > don > a17 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[stewncis@bellsouth.net]

Is anyone else's klr prone to hard starting in the cold? It has gotten into the 20's here and is almost impossible to start. Once it is warm it's fine, but the first time, it never wants to hit. Anyone have a suggestion for this problem. Stew

[E.L. Green]

stewncis@... wrote:

> Is anyone else's klr prone to hard starting in the cold? It has gotten >into the 20's here and is almost impossible to start. Once it is warm it's >fine, but the first time, it never wants to hit. Anyone have a suggestion >for this problem. > >

What oil viscosity are you using? If you're using a thick oil, it'll be hard to start. A 5W40 synthetic is probably a good oil for 20F weather. -E

[stewncis@bellsouth.net]

Yes, I just changed it with 20w50. I didn't think it make that much differnce as far as starting goes. But I guess you are right. I'll try changing again with what you suggested. Thanks, Stew

[scarysharkface]

I almost don't have enough choke to start my A18 when it's 20 degrees. Oil and/or battery charge aren't an issue whatsoever. The issue is getting a rich enough mixture for it to fire. It turns over very happily, even when I have to crank it several times. Sooo, I think enriching the mixture is probably the cure. Even after significant warmup it still doesn't really like cold weather (hesitates, etcetera). Having said that, will it hurt anything to instead ride with a touch of choke (once I get it running), which seems to make it happy??? Thanks, John

[scott quillen]

John, Running with your choke on (just a touch) shouldn't hurt anything other than increasing fuel consumption a bit and leading to early plug fouling if you run like that for too long. Scott scarysharkface wrote: I almost don't have enough choke to start my A18 when it's 20 degrees. Oil and/or battery charge aren't an issue whatsoever. The issue is getting a rich enough mixture for it to fire. It turns over very happily, even when I have to crank it several times. Sooo, I think enriching the mixture is probably the cure. Even after significant warmup it still doesn't really like cold weather (hesitates, etcetera). Having said that, will it hurt anything to instead ride with a touch of choke (once I get it running), which seems to make it happy??? Thanks, John Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:58 AM, scarysharkface wrote:

> Having said that, will it hurt anything to instead ride > with a touch of choke (once I get it running), which seems to make it > happy???

Depending on the amount of "choke" (really fuel enricher) you use, and how long you use it, you may cause fuel dilution of your oil. This, in turn, causes additional wear throughout the engine and transmission. You motor *should* warm up enough that you don't need any choke, even though it may take longer than when it's warm outside. However, that's theory and I haven't run my KLR in 20-degree F temps to know if they all act like yours is acting, or if maybe your carb settings aren't optimal. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> San Jose, CA (USA)