how much play is okay?

[stevedyer]

New lister here. Just sold my '98 VFR, unsubbed from the VFR list and hopped on here to check things out before picking up a KLR in the spring. In recent months many VFR riders have switched from whatever chain goo they were using - WD-40, 90wt, waxes, greases or whatnot to something called 'DuPont Multi-Use Performance Lube'. The main attractions are that it coats the chain with a lubricant but does not sling itself onto the wheel or attract dirt like most others. I have not used it so cannot give personal experience, but the VFR group is a hard-core, skeptical bunch who rack up many miles and they're difficult to impress. I believe it is available in hardware/automotive stores. Steve Dyer Norman, OK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? ...and death of a salesman >I don't want to get a drawn out tread going, but I use grease to lube my >chain. > I smear a fair amount along 8 inches or so of the chain. Spin the wheel a > few > rounds so that all the procket teeth are coated. Wipe excess off chain > and I am done. > I have checked time and time again and there is always a film of grease > on the sprocket teeth. The stuff never seems to go away. About twice a > year a take the chain off and wash it in diesel fuel. > > Rick A17 > > Jud Jones wrote: > > It would be nice, I suppose, but I don't think there's any product made > that will stay there for long. Goober the chain up with any lube you > choose - 90 wt, black PJ1, you name it, and ride the bike a quarter mile. > You will have bare metal-to-metal between the teeth and rollers. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[James Morrow Sr]

I too have switched to Dupont Multi lube. Mainly because it contains teflon and molybdenum. I have known these products to really lubricate and protect all the metal friction devices I have used on over the years, guns, drive shafts, trans fluid, etc. It goes on wet, but dries quickly to keep dirt and grime off. It works the best of everythig I have tried on arguably the toughest test of all, the Hayabusa chain. I commute 350 miles one way. The old lubes I used were about gone at the 300 mile mark. This one makes it to the 700 mile mark. Marketing hype says it lasts 3-5 times longer in friction fighting. If you apply a good chain lube, wax, every 300 miles, I don't think it makes a big difference what you use. Even WD 40 works for some if they use it often enough. Just like the comfort of really good lubrication, I can tell the difference in the drive chain when not lubricated well.

On 11/27/05, stevedyer wrote: > > > New lister here. Just sold my '98 VFR, unsubbed from the VFR list and > hopped on here to check things out before picking up a KLR in the spring. > In recent months many VFR riders have switched from whatever chain goo > they > were using - WD-40, 90wt, waxes, greases or whatnot to something called > 'DuPont Multi-Use Performance Lube'. The main attractions are that it > coats the chain with a lubricant but does not sling itself onto the wheel > or > attract dirt like most others. I have not used it so cannot give personal > experience, but the VFR group is a hard-core, skeptical bunch who rack up > many miles and they're difficult to impress. I believe it is available > in > hardware/automotive stores. > > Steve Dyer > Norman, OK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick McCauley" > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? ...and death of a > salesman > > > >I don't want to get a drawn out tread going, but I use grease to lube my > >chain. > > I smear a fair amount along 8 inches or so of the chain. Spin the wheel > a > > few > > rounds so that all the procket teeth are coated. Wipe excess off chain > > and I am done. > > I have checked time and time again and there is always a film of grease > > on the sprocket teeth. The stuff never seems to go away. About twice a > > year a take the chain off and wash it in diesel fuel. > > > > Rick A17 > > > > Jud Jones wrote: > > > > It would be nice, I suppose, but I don't think there's any product made > > that will stay there for long. Goober the chain up with any lube you > > choose - 90 wt, black PJ1, you name it, and ride the bike a quarter > mile. > > You will have bare metal-to-metal between the teeth and rollers. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- James Morrow Sr Union, MO '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse '00' BUSA + 15hp '05' KLR650 + big fun factor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Michael Silverstein]

I think I am using the same stuff on my road bicycle and have had a different experience. After about 100 miles I can hear metal on metal and need to re-apply. Granted the chain on a bicycle is smaller, makes a circuit through two derailleur idler wheels and experiences greater lateral stresses as it is shifted back and forth on a 9-speed cogset, but I am not very impressed with the ability for this stuff to stay put. It gets even worse when wet. As little as 20 miles on my bicycle in a rain storm will wear the lube right off. Mike A18

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Morrow Sr > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:05 PM > To: stevedyer > Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com; Rick McCauley > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? > > > I too have switched to Dupont Multi lube. Mainly because it > contains teflon and molybdenum. I have known these products > to really lubricate and protect all the metal friction > devices I have used on over the years, guns, drive shafts, > trans fluid, etc. > > It goes on wet, but dries quickly to keep dirt and grime off. > It works the best of everythig I have tried on arguably the > toughest test of all, the Hayabusa chain. I commute 350 > miles one way. The old lubes I used were about gone at the > 300 mile mark. This one makes it to the 700 mile mark. > Marketing hype says it lasts 3-5 times longer in friction fighting. > > If you apply a good chain lube, wax, every 300 miles, I don't > think it makes a big difference what you use. Even WD 40 > works for some if they use it often enough. Just like the > comfort of really good lubrication, I can tell the difference > in the drive chain when not lubricated well. > > > > > On 11/27/05, stevedyer wrote: > > > > > > New lister here. Just sold my '98 VFR, unsubbed from the > VFR list and > > hopped on here to check things out before picking up a KLR in the > > spring. In recent months many VFR riders have switched from > whatever > > chain goo they were using - WD-40, 90wt, waxes, greases or > whatnot to > > something called > > 'DuPont Multi-Use Performance Lube'. The main attractions > are that it > > coats the chain with a lubricant but does not sling itself onto the > > wheel or attract dirt like most others. I have not used it > so cannot > > give personal experience, but the VFR group is a hard-core, > skeptical > > bunch who rack up > > many miles and they're difficult to impress. I believe it > is available > > in > > hardware/automotive stores. > > > > Steve Dyer > > Norman, OK > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick McCauley" > > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? > ...and death > > of a salesman > > > > > > >I don't want to get a drawn out tread going, but I use > grease to lube > > >my chain. > > > I smear a fair amount along 8 inches or so of the chain. > Spin the > > >wheel > > a > > > few > > > rounds so that all the procket teeth are coated. Wipe excess off > > > chain and I am done. I have checked time and time again > and there > > > is always a film of grease on the sprocket teeth. The stuff never > > > seems to go away. About twice a year a take the chain off > and wash > > > it in diesel fuel. > > > > > > Rick A17 > > > > > > Jud Jones wrote: > > > > > > It would be nice, I suppose, but I don't think there's > any product > > > made that will stay there for long. Goober the chain up with any > > > lube you choose - 90 wt, black PJ1, you name it, and ride > the bike a > > > quarter > > mile. > > > You will have bare metal-to-metal between the teeth and rollers. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ > > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map > > > at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map > > at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > James Morrow Sr > Union, MO > '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse > '00' BUSA + 15hp > '05' KLR650 + big fun factor > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at:

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[Steven and Christina Wilkins]

I too tried some of the Dupont stuff. It goes on so thin that I was afraid it would get inside of the o-rings and wash the grease out. Then it dries all nasty white looking. The overspray is hard to get off of the swingarm and wheel. Wonder if WD-40 penetrates the o-rings? Steve W. A-18

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Silverstein" To: "'James Morrow Sr'" ; "'stevedyer'" Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; "'Rick McCauley'" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? > I think I am using the same stuff on my road bicycle and have had a > different experience. After about 100 miles I can hear metal on metal > and need to re-apply. Granted the chain on a bicycle is smaller, makes a > circuit through two derailleur idler wheels and experiences greater > lateral stresses as it is shifted back and forth on a 9-speed cogset, > but I am not very impressed with the ability for this stuff to stay put. > It gets even worse when wet. As little as 20 miles on my bicycle in a > rain storm will wear the lube right off. > > Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Morrow Sr > > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:05 PM > > To: stevedyer > > Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com; Rick McCauley > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? > > > > > > I too have switched to Dupont Multi lube. Mainly because it > > contains teflon and molybdenum. I have known these products > > to really lubricate and protect all the metal friction > > devices I have used on over the years, guns, drive shafts, > > trans fluid, etc. > > > > It goes on wet, but dries quickly to keep dirt and grime off. > > It works the best of everythig I have tried on arguably the > > toughest test of all, the Hayabusa chain. I commute 350 > > miles one way. The old lubes I used were about gone at the > > 300 mile mark. This one makes it to the 700 mile mark. > > Marketing hype says it lasts 3-5 times longer in friction fighting. > > > > If you apply a good chain lube, wax, every 300 miles, I don't > > think it makes a big difference what you use. Even WD 40 > > works for some if they use it often enough. Just like the > > comfort of really good lubrication, I can tell the difference > > in the drive chain when not lubricated well. > > > > > > > > > > On 11/27/05, stevedyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > New lister here. Just sold my '98 VFR, unsubbed from the > > VFR list and > > > hopped on here to check things out before picking up a KLR in the > > > spring. In recent months many VFR riders have switched from > > whatever > > > chain goo they were using - WD-40, 90wt, waxes, greases or > > whatnot to > > > something called > > > 'DuPont Multi-Use Performance Lube'. The main attractions > > are that it > > > coats the chain with a lubricant but does not sling itself onto the > > > wheel or attract dirt like most others. I have not used it > > so cannot > > > give personal experience, but the VFR group is a hard-core, > > skeptical > > > bunch who rack up > > > many miles and they're difficult to impress. I believe it > > is available > > > in > > > hardware/automotive stores. > > > > > > Steve Dyer > > > Norman, OK > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rick McCauley" > > > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain lube recommendation? > > ...and death > > > of a salesman > > > > > > > > > >I don't want to get a drawn out tread going, but I use > > grease to lube > > > >my chain. > > > > I smear a fair amount along 8 inches or so of the chain. > > Spin the > > > >wheel > > > a > > > > few > > > > rounds so that all the procket teeth are coated. Wipe excess off > > > > chain and I am done. I have checked time and time again > > and there > > > > is always a film of grease on the sprocket teeth. The stuff never > > > > seems to go away. About twice a year a take the chain off > > and wash > > > > it in diesel fuel. > > > > > > > > Rick A17 > > > > > > > > Jud Jones wrote: > > > > > > > > It would be nice, I suppose, but I don't think there's > > any product > > > > made that will stay there for long. Goober the chain up with any > > > > lube you choose - 90 wt, black PJ1, you name it, and ride > > the bike a > > > > quarter > > > mile. > > > > You will have bare metal-to-metal between the teeth and rollers. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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[Rodney Copeland]

At 20,000, too many 3 gear wheelies and a few trips down the dragstrip, I had a bunch of play in the cush drive too. One of the gurus around here told me to stick some inner tube in there. I cut a narrow strip and poked it in the hub. Works great and the dealer don't have a chance at the Hoss! 32,000 miles now, Rod

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > John, > > I think the part is Kawasaki P/N 92075-1068, called a Damper, Shock, RR, > Hub. It goes for $22.55 at www.ronayers.com . I think a bit of slop is > normal and my bike with 15,000 smiles on it has about 1/16" at the > outside of the sprocket. My smiles are probably 9,000 full up touring > loads with a few thousand of that dirt riding. The other 6,000 smiles > are probably 1,000 dirt and 5,000 gravel or paved road. > > Seems like you may have some excessive wear for less than 8,000 smiles. > But I doubt a dealer will cover that under warranty. But if I had a > problem like that I'd probably ask them nicely. I'd probably bring it up > asking them about a jerking issue with the drive line and see what they > think the warranty covers. I'm sure the chain and sprockets are normal > wear items. Maybe they'd at least cover the cost of the part if you'd > install it. > > Good luck, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:51:56 -0000 "John Mellquist" > writes: > > I have discovered about 1/8" to 3/16" of play between the rubber > > damper in the wheel hub and the wheel hub itself. At first, I > > thought > > this extra lash (can feel it when accel/declerating) was due to > > excessive drive chain play, but the chain adjustment is within > > spec. > > > > My A19 now has just over 7800 miles on it and I have only noticed > > this > > sensation within the last 500 - 1000 miles. > > > > My question is this: Is this a normal condition? Or, should I > > consult my dealer for possible warranty work? > > > > I await the Collectives advice. > > > > John > > Napa, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >