gleaned from the old archives, dakar 2005

[klr250not]

??????? Your message does not compute. Whose the troll? Not KLR250NOT. Anyway, I still think the whole doohickey weakness is probably less serious than this thread might lead one to believe, or Kawa would have done something. Not because they are good Christians or anything like that, but because of the liability risk, i.e., cold cash $$$. In this age of billion dollar liability suits and lawyers jumping at every chance to go after a cash cow, I'll bet my life that the doohickey is not a likely rider safety issue. If I replaced it with a brand X doohickey, it might fail and kill me and I'd have no recourse. At least this way, if it fails, Kawa will pay to fix everything that gets broke, since I have the extended warranty; and if I get killed my wife will be a prospective billionaire--lets call it my doohickey life insurance policy. I'll revise my doohickey theory a little though, as follows: Doohickeys are probably a relatively weak link in a bike that otherwise seems to be known for its relability. Too much smoke for no fire whatsoever. But in my case, at least, If it Aint Broke, Don't Fix it. ______________________--------------

> Then back to the beginning! > HHHHHHHHAAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!! > We all got Trolled!!!!!! > Rod,,,,,,bowin his head in Shame! > Good one Mr Not!!!!! > We'll be watchin ya from now on! > HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

[CA Stu]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "klr250not" wrote:

> > ??????? Your message does not compute. Whose the troll? Not > KLR250NOT. > > Anyway, I still think the whole doohickey weakness is probably less > serious than this thread might lead one to believe, or Kawa would > have done something.

Hi Bob, your post reminds me of that old picture of John Wayne and his sons in the desert by some nuclear test site with their shirts off (to prove to the public that radiation wasn't dangerous). They figured if they couldn't see it, it didn't exist and was not a danger to them. (They all died from cancer). Good Luck CA Stu A13 A14

[klr250not]

Well, most people die from something. Ronald Reagan advertised Kools with the slogan "soothing for your throat". I bet he wished the Kools had gotten him before it was over. I'm slated to go down blazing with doohickey failure, its my fate and I accept it.

> > Hi Bob, your post reminds me of that old picture of John Wayne and > his sons in the desert by some nuclear test site with their shirts > off (to prove to the public that radiation wasn't dangerous). > > They figured if they couldn't see it, it didn't exist and was not

a

> danger to them. > > (They all died from cancer). > > Good Luck > CA Stu > A13 > A14

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "klr250not" wrote:

> > ??????? Your message does not compute. Whose the troll? Not > KLR250NOT. > > Anyway, I still think the whole doohickey weakness is probably less > serious than this thread might lead one to believe, or Kawa would > have done something. Not because they are good Christians or > anything like that, but because of the liability risk, i.e., cold > cash $$$. In this age of billion dollar liability suits and lawyers > jumping at every chance to go after a cash cow, I'll bet my life > that the doohickey is not a likely rider safety issue. > > If I replaced it with a brand X doohickey, it might fail and kill me > and I'd have no recourse. At least this way, if it fails, Kawa will > pay to fix everything that gets broke, since I have the extended > warranty; and if I get killed my wife will be a prospective > billionaire--lets call it my doohickey life insurance policy. > > > I'll revise my doohickey theory a little though, as follows: > Doohickeys are probably a relatively weak link in a bike that > otherwise seems to be known for its relability. Too much smoke for > no fire whatsoever. But in my case, at least, If it Aint Broke, > Don't Fix it.

How much did that extended warranty cost you? Five hundred bucks or so? Keep us posted on how that pays off, won't you?

[klr250not]

Yeah it was at least $400 for 48 extra months. I wondered about it a little myself til I read all this stuff about doohickey related engine trouble. Even the preventative step is $50 for parts plus three hours of shop time from what I'm reading--thats going to eat up a pretty good chunk of change at my dealership. Of course you can do it all yourself, but you just might screw it up worse than it is--especially if youre replacing an unbroken doohickey. And I'm pretty sure whatever Kawa warranty you've got is void once you get your shiny new doohickey installed. But to each their own I guess.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "klr250not" wrote:

> > Yeah it was at least $400 for 48 extra months. I wondered about it > a little myself til I read all this stuff about doohickey related > engine trouble. Even the preventative step is $50 for parts plus > three hours of shop time from what I'm reading--thats going to eat > up a pretty good chunk of change at my dealership. Of course you > can do it all yourself, but you just might screw it up worse than it > is--especially if youre replacing an unbroken doohickey. > > And I'm pretty sure whatever Kawa warranty you've got is void once > you get your shiny new doohickey installed. But to each their own I > guess.

If either your doohickey or spring fails, in all likelihood you will not even notice it. In order to begin to get back your $400, you will want to open up the left side sometime before the "warranty" runs out and inspect the lever and spring to see if they need replacement. Good luck getting that paid for under the policy. Once you have opened the bike up, installation of the new parts is trivial. The Moss-Magnuson Act says replacing the lever does not void any warranty unless the aftermarket part causes the failure. The job takes me about an hour working alone, longer only if I have help. You don't have to do it yourself; there are people in every part of the country who have the tools, are willing to help, and maybe feed you beer and hot dogs while they do it for you. It may be a smart choice to bet that the lever will not fail, and leave it alone. That bet costs you nothing. But you have bet $400 that it will fail when you could have insured otherwise for $50.

[klr250not]

Well not exactly because the warranty covers more than the doohickey, pretty much everything covered the first 12 months--the motorcycle. And its transferable to the next owner if I sell it. And the young lady who sold it to me at the dealership was kind of cute. Heh, I'm all doohickied out as far as what I've got to offer on the subject. I can now see why some of you have changed out a good doohickey because theres gotta be some weakness there, but thats not gonna be my choice. However, if I was going to drive to Egypt or somewhere I'd definitely buy an aftermarket doohickey kit and take it and the repair instructions along as a spare (its all pretty small and light I'm assuming). --------------------- It may be a smart choice to bet that the lever will not fail, and leave it alone.

> That bet costs you nothing. But you have bet $400 that it will

fail when you

> could have insured otherwise for $50.

[Randy Shultz]

However, if I was going to drive to Egypt or somewhere I'd definitely buy an aftermarket doohickey kit and take it and the repair instructions along as a spare (its all pretty small and light I'm assuming).

This demonstrates that you do not know what is involved. The tools you would have to pack for your trip would be silly. You would want to replace it before you left, or take your chances, unless you wanted to try to find a local mecahnic in Timbuktu with the necessary tools, which is REALLY taking chances. Go to a tech session. Learn for yourself what the deal is. Then you'll be able to make a more informed decision. Or not. Most of us do not care what you decide to do with YOUR bike. That's the beauty of it all. Randy

[klr250not]

Well earlier some posters, I dont know if it was you, were maintaining that the changeout of doos was "trivial" and took one hour flat. Maybe not so trivial if the necessary tools are hard to pack or find somewhere in Egypt. Wish you guys would at least get your stories straight. You missed one silly thing there too Sherlock: you cant drive to Eygpt, not literally anyway. --------------------------------------------

> The tools you would have to pack for your trip would be silly.

You

> would want to replace it before you left, or take your chances, > unless you wanted to try to find a local mecahnic in Timbuktu with > the necessary tools, which is REALLY taking chances. > > Go to a tech session. Learn for yourself what the deal is. Then > you'll be able to make a more informed decision. Or not. Most of

us

> do not care what you decide to do with YOUR bike. That's the

beauty

> of it all. > > Randy

[Randy Shultz]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "klr250not" wrote:

> > You missed one silly thing there too Sherlock: you cant drive to > Eygpt, not literally anyway. > > --------------------------------------------

Who said you could drive to Egypt? Again, you demonstrate that you don't know what your talking about in regards to this subject. Having the tools to do the job doesn't mean that the job takes longer or isn't relatively straightforward. It just means you have to have the tools. Get it? Everybody who knows what they're talking about is telling you the same story. You don't understand that because, frankly, you don't know how to perform the service. You keep saying silly things like: I'll just take a spare doohickey with me in case it breaks. Nobody cares whether you replace your lever or not. Some are just pointing out that you seem to be very ill-informed for having such a strong opinion. You can be WELL informed and still not choose to replace the lever. It's just funny to hear someone who is ill-informed state reasons for their opinion which are not based on a good understanding of the issue. Randy