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[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Heres a good debate. My brother, the all knowing guru of all things combustion has taught me that all additives are bad. Carb cleaner being the worst, good stuff with Carb off, but if you clean the carb while it's on, you just shortened the life of your engine significantly. Oil treatments are bad unless your motor is just short of ceasing and you want to squeeze a few more miles out, and gas additives, are like carb cleaner, bad news for a good engine. Are there exceptions? Anyone disagree? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com

[squasher_1]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

> Heres a good debate. My brother, the all knowing guru > of all things combustion has taught me that all > additives are bad. Carb cleaner being the worst, good > stuff with Carb off, but if you clean the carb while > it's on, you just shortened the life of your engine > significantly. Oil treatments are bad unless your > motor is just short of ceasing and you want to squeeze > a few more miles out, and gas additives, are like carb > cleaner, bad news for a good engine. > Are there exceptions? Anyone disagree? > >

I can't see how a dirty carb or engine is better then a clean one. I use berryman B-12 or Chevron Techron. some of the oil and gas addatives are nothing more than mineral oil. these addatives are marketed at prices 5x higher then the others. one of those "kits" comes in a clear bottle shaped like tapered chemical beaker.

[nakedwaterskier]

Chevron Techron and Redline Injector cleaner are great products but are more useful for cleaning fuel injectors. Carb cleaner and the above don't help your oil. The Chevron stuff is in Chevron gasoline anyways. Most gasoline nowadays has injector cleaner in it. But, using too much carb/injector cleaner will destroy your oil. Just change your oil before you destroy your engine. JPG RED04 AKA NAKED

[rsanders30117]

Seems like occasionally using de-watering additives will protect your fuel tank from corrosion due to water accumulation. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "nakedwaterskier" wrote:

> > Chevron Techron and Redline Injector cleaner are great products but > are more useful for cleaning fuel injectors. > > Carb cleaner and the above don't help your oil. The Chevron stuff > is in Chevron gasoline anyways. Most gasoline nowadays has

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> cleaner in it. > > But, using too much carb/injector cleaner will destroy your oil. > Just change your oil before you destroy your engine. > > JPG RED04 AKA NAKED

[Eric L. Green]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, rsanders30117 wrote:

> Seems like occasionally using de-watering additives will protect your > fuel tank from corrosion due to water accumulation.

One problem is that HEET and its ilk are denatured alcohol (methanol), which attacks rubber parts. While all the rubber parts in the KLR fuel system are supposedly HEET-resistant, you must be careful not to exceed the limits on the HEET package, because manufacturers generally state that their wares are only proof to a small percentage of methanol in the gasoline (under 3%). If it says use one bottle of HEET per 20 gallon tank of gas, scale down appropriately. Those of us fortunate(?) enough to live near big cities or in California already have de-watering additives in our gasoline, at least this time of year, in the form of ethanol (grain alcohol), which is added as a fuel oxygenator in order to reduce the production of carbon monoxide (a component of smog). This probably accounts for a good 50% of those of us here. -E

[nakedwaterskier]

I don't really know if carb/injector cleaners are simply mineral oil...I never heard that. But, dewatering chemicals, an esp. good idea for the rotting reserve fuel, is simply isopropyl alcohol. No not whiskey...rubbing alcohol! JPG red04

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

My brothers logic is that all (or most) of this sediment that is washed off and deposited on the interior of the engine, which wears away metal, thus shortening the life of said engine --- nakedwaterskier wrote:

> > > Chevron Techron and Redline Injector cleaner are > great products but > are more useful for cleaning fuel injectors. > > Carb cleaner and the above don't help your oil. The > Chevron stuff > is in Chevron gasoline anyways. Most gasoline > nowadays has injector > cleaner in it. > > But, using too much carb/injector cleaner will > destroy your oil. > Just change your oil before you destroy your engine. > > JPG RED04 AKA NAKED > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

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[John Kokola]

Your brother might be a world-class mechanic, and I mean him no disrespect, but unless he's done specific real-world studies (i.e. before/after borescope, disassembly, etc) regarding specific products -- or has access to same -- I'll stick to the conventional wisdom, which says that occasional use of these products can be beneficial. --John Kokola

> -----Original Message----- > From: matteeanne@... [mailto:matteeanne@...] > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:39 AM > > My brothers logic is that all (or most) of this > sediment that is washed off and deposited on the > interior of the engine, which wears away metal, thus > shortening the life of said engine

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

None taken. He does have a number of engineering degrees, has 35+ years working directly with cars for a living, and currently manages lexus service regionally. So i will stick with his opinion for the time being. It all makes sense to me though, that crap that you saw in the mouth and throat of your carberator went somewhere. His suggestion has always been to change the oil often, run a percentage of premium, and keep the thing in tune. I am personally a lifetime achiever of hassle free driving due his wisdom. Funny story. When we were younger (70's) He was a noob and told me always to run Castrol GTX in everything. So I did for years. I was over seas for decades, and when I came back to the US, we were taling engines and I told him I always used Castrol and he said I was and idiot, I told him he told me too, and he then confessed that he has been wrong, and that it is the frequency of the oil change, not the quality of oil that matters (cost me a few thousand bucks i am sure over the years) --- John Kokola wrote:

> > Your brother might be a world-class mechanic, and I > mean him no disrespect, > but unless he's done specific real-world studies > (i.e. before/after > borescope, disassembly, etc) regarding specific > products -- or has access to > same -- I'll stick to the conventional wisdom, which > says that occasional > use of these products can be beneficial. > > --John Kokola > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: matteeanne@... > [mailto:matteeanne@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:39 AM > > > > My brothers logic is that all (or most) of this > > sediment that is washed off and deposited on the > > interior of the engine, which wears away metal, > thus > > shortening the life of said engine > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

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[Alan L Henderson]

> Funny story. When we were younger (70's) He was a noob > and told me always to run Castrol GTX in everything. > So I did for years. I was over seas for decades, and > when I came back to the US, we were taling engines and > I told him I always used Castrol and he said I was and > idiot, I told him he told me too, and he then > confessed that he has been wrong, and that it is the > frequency of the oil change, not the quality of oil > that matters (cost me a few thousand bucks i am sure > over the years) > --- John Kokola wrote: >

Somehow I don't think your money was wasted buying a quality oil with a good additive package. The late Gordon Jennings recommended Castrol by saying it had a good additive package. Changing oil often is fine but putting the cheapest oil you can find in means that although you always have fresh oil you also NEVER have a high quality additive package. The more often you change your oil the more oil you use. I know that is obvious but in an enviourmental sense it is still important. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa I'm not calling Rotella and it's ilk cheap, by the way.