soft luggage question

[Blunden, Rob]

Show me the Math!!! That facts speak for themselves I ride everyday for last 20 odd years. You sound like the guy in the Apple shop. I am after a cover for my Ipod and pick up the clear cover from the rack and pass it to the counter assistant to pay for it. He looks on his computer and says " are you sure you don't want the blue one? We don't have any clear ones!!!" I say "no thanks the clear one in your hand will be just fine". "Ok" he says "I just have to sell you this one and record it as a blue one". BTW the 50m was a little exaggeration it is more like 1854mm. Enough for the car to out of my way by the time I get there travelling at 30000mm/sec. My hearing is fine. Can you repeat the rest of your message I didn't hear what you said. -----Original Message----- From: Zachariah Mully [mailto:zmully@...] Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 3:50 AM To: Blunden, Rob Cc: KLR List Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] LOUD EXAUST

On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 17:36, Blunden, Rob wrote: > As for Cars hearing you I ride my > KTM950 with Acropovics and cars virtually pull out the way 50 metres > away. The new KLR with standard pipe and I'm dodging and weaving > everything trying to squash me!!!. Staintune goes on the KLR next > week!!! > I'd love to see the math on this one. Really, how do cars at 50m with 8-12db of sound proofing hear you? And if it's that loud, how the hell can you stand to ride the bike? By your account, it's magically making enough sound in the forward direction (even though the majority of the sound is actually propagating rearward) that at 50m it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90+db. DB drop at 50m is ~34db, so at your bike you're cranking out nearly 124db, and that's in the wrong direction. I have no idea how one calculates reverse propagation of a unidirectional sound source without a reference reflective surface, but regardless of the technical details, to scare a car at 50m means that your exhaust has to be so loud that even with earplugs you're damaging your hearing for most any ride of insignifcant length. Until a loud pipe advocate actually shows the math and that the math checks, it's all bull-paddy. MCN just had an article debunking this myth of exhaust sound being able to travel far enough forward and at significantly high volume to warn cars of your presence. Show the math, then I'll believe you, and until then loud pipes do nothing but lose rights. I would bet that the 950's height and headlights, not to mention whatever gear you might be wearing, play a far greater part in your ability to part the waters than your exhaust does... Z DC A5X A12X

[Zachariah Mully]

On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 18:29, Blunden, Rob wrote:

> Show me the Math!!! That facts speak for themselves I ride everyday for > last 20 odd years. > You sound like the guy in the Apple shop. I am after a cover for my > Ipod and pick up the clear cover from the rack and pass it to the > counter assistant to pay for it. He looks on his computer and says " > are you sure you don't want the blue one? We don't have any clear > ones!!!" I say "no thanks the clear one in your hand will be just fine". > "Ok" he says "I just have to sell you this one and record it as a blue > one". > BTW the 50m was a little exaggeration it is more like 1854mm. Enough for > the car to out of my way by the time I get there travelling at > 30000mm/sec. My hearing is fine. Can you repeat the rest of your > message I didn't hear what you said.

?! Wait a minute, what facts? Your logic does not follow, but then again that's usually the case with the loud pipe and anti-helmet crowd, so it's not surprising. And how exactly does the iPod story support your loud pipe facts? Just curious because it appears completely tangential. Z

[vintageracer8888]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 18:29, Blunden, Rob wrote: > > Show me the Math!!! That facts speak for themselves I ride

everyday for

> > last 20 odd years. > > > You sound like the guy in the Apple shop. I am after a cover for

my

> > Ipod and pick up the clear cover from the rack and pass it to the > > counter assistant to pay for it. He looks on his computer and

says "

> > are you sure you don't want the blue one? We don't have any clear > > ones!!!" I say "no thanks the clear one in your hand will be just

fine".

> > "Ok" he says "I just have to sell you this one and record it as a

blue

> > one". > > > BTW the 50m was a little exaggeration it is more like 1854mm.

Enough for

> > the car to out of my way by the time I get there travelling at > > 30000mm/sec. My hearing is fine. Can you repeat the rest of your > > message I didn't hear what you said. > > ?! Wait a minute, what facts? > > Your logic does not follow, but then again that's usually the case

with

> the loud pipe and anti-helmet crowd, so it's not surprising. > > And how exactly does the iPod story support your loud pipe facts?

Just

> curious because it appears completely tangential. > > Z DC > A5X > A12X

geez cant we get off this loud pipe kick... im sure the people that argue against a louder or better sounding pipe never used such a thing right ?? some of you guys are a little overboard on this topic ( not pointing fingers ) ive read back over the topic and this is my opinion.. let each rider make their own opinion as to what they want and let it go you are not going to change a guys mind on here anyway. all you are doing is getting involved in a no win conversation.

[Zachariah Mully]

On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 18:59, vintageracer8888 wrote:

> geez cant we get off this loud pipe kick... im sure the people > that argue against a louder or better sounding pipe never used such a > thing right ?? some of you guys are a little overboard on this topic > ( not pointing fingers ) ive read back over the topic and this is my > opinion.. let each rider make their own opinion as to what they want > and let it go you are not going to change a guys mind on here anyway. > all you are doing is getting involved in a no win conversation.

Nah this is too much fun... I'm sick of shuffling through brain-dead NKLR politics and the "Should I change my doohickey" posts. At this represents something different to talk about on the list than oils, springs and levers Z DC A5X A12X

[vintageracer8888]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 18:59, vintageracer8888 wrote: > > geez cant we get off this loud pipe kick... im sure the people > > that argue against a louder or better sounding pipe never used

such a

> > thing right ?? some of you guys are a little overboard on this

topic

> > ( not pointing fingers ) ive read back over the topic and this is

my

> > opinion.. let each rider make their own opinion as to what they

want

> > and let it go you are not going to change a guys mind on here

anyway.

> > all you are doing is getting involved in a no win conversation. > > Nah this is too much fun... I'm sick of shuffling through brain-dead > NKLR politics and the "Should I change my doohickey" posts. At this > represents something different to talk about on the list than oils, > springs and levers > > > Z > DC > A5X > A12X

good point. ill just step aside and watch the madness. on that note LONG LIVE THE BIG GUN RACE PIPE LOL LOL LOL

[Harry Seifert]

I realize that spring has sprung, but you East coasties are tanning your genitals already.............it ain't even Easter yet. from the SoCal capital of tanned genitals. Harry snippety...snippety

> ......curious because it appears completely tangential. > > Z DC > A5X > A12X

[Blunden, Rob]

No generalising. In OZ we are all for helmets be it for skateboards, roller blades bicycles. My point was that if the calculator says 2+2 =5 then it must be right. The fact that you have four apples in hand means nothing. In my world the facts are, same roads, same bikes, same cars, same drivers. I know that cars can tell I'm behind them with a pipe that is not virtually silent (as most stock pipes are with helmet on or windows up). That fact that stock pipes are made for one sole purpose and that is to keep the noise down at the compromise of engine performance and weight is enough of a factor to ditch for me. I would rather pay less money for a better product than keep the weighty crappy expensive inhibiting original pipe on. There's plenty of noisier, more polluting less environmentally friendly people out there than me. I'm doing my bit by riding to work on a fuel miser. No 6 litre gas guzzling V8 for me? My bike uses less rubber, less oil, less road, less manufacturing. Compromise you bet I want to hear my bike and have it perform the way it was designed to perform not the way local regulators want it designed. Do you still leave you bike running lean because that's the way your local authorities require it? -----Original Message----- From: Zachariah Mully [mailto:zmully@...] Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 10:44 AM To: Blunden, Rob Cc: KLR List Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Luv the staintune

On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 18:29, Blunden, Rob wrote: > Show me the Math!!! That facts speak for themselves I ride everyday > for last 20 odd years. > You sound like the guy in the Apple shop. I am after a cover for my > Ipod and pick up the clear cover from the rack and pass it to the > counter assistant to pay for it. He looks on his computer and says " > are you sure you don't want the blue one? We don't have any clear > ones!!!" I say "no thanks the clear one in your hand will be just > fine". "Ok" he says "I just have to sell you this one and record it as > a blue one". > BTW the 50m was a little exaggeration it is more like 1854mm. Enough > for the car to out of my way by the time I get there travelling at > 30000mm/sec. My hearing is fine. Can you repeat the rest of your > message I didn't hear what you said. ?! Wait a minute, what facts? Your logic does not follow, but then again that's usually the case with the loud pipe and anti-helmet crowd, so it's not surprising. And how exactly does the iPod story support your loud pipe facts? Just curious because it appears completely tangential. Z

[Devon]

vintageracer8888@... wrote:

> > geez cant we get off this loud pipe kick... im sure the people >that argue against a louder or better sounding pipe never used such a >thing right ?? some of you guys are a little overboard on this topic >( not pointing fingers ) ive read back over the topic and this is my >opinion.. let each rider make their own opinion as to what they want >and let it go you are not going to change a guys mind on here anyway. >all you are doing is getting involved in a no win conversation. > > >

I agree that the thread has grown tiresome. Unfortunately, when riding areas get taken away because of noise, everyone isn't entitled to their opinion if it means they have to ride a noisemaker. I rode what might be one of the last Sandy Lane Enduros in south NJ yesterday. This ride has been going on for 70-odd years now, and it looks like they won't have the land available in the future, some private, and some parkland on a special-use permit. Mainly because of noise issues. Loud pipes do not equal speed, or increased safety. They inspire the non-riding public to take away our rights at every opportunity. Your loud pipe today means I lose riding areas tomorrow. The people who turn and look as someone drives by with a loud pipe, are mostly thinking what an asshole he is and how stupid he looks. Devon Brooklyn.

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 07:50:09PM -0500, Devon wrote:

> > Loud pipes do not equal speed, or increased safety. They inspire the > non-riding public to take away our rights at every opportunity. Your > loud pipe today means I lose riding areas tomorrow. The people who turn > and look as someone drives by with a loud pipe, are mostly thinking what > an asshole he is and how stupid he looks.

I think you mean "after" someone drives by with a loud pipe. Certainly while driving a cage (something I do not infrequently, because you just can't haul some kinds of climbing equipment around on a bike; not two perople's worth anyway) I have *never* noticed the noise from a loud motorcycle until that bike was alreadyA next to or past me. I'm sure the idiots with their bored-out dragster "LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES MAN!!!!!!1!!!" pipes were sure the reason I turned and looked -- as or after they'd already gone by -- was that their loud pipes had seized my attention as they rode up behind me and mystically commanded me to stare at them until they were long gone. Sure. Right. If you spend most of your time being overtaken by cars in the slow lane, maybe all that sound coming out the ass end of your LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES MAN!!! "muffler" gets you some extra attention. Otherwise, however, its _only_ effect is to harm every single other rider of road and trail by making all of us seem like inconsiderate fools chasing a mystique built up by movies made by people who didn't even ride anyhow. Thor

[Lujo Bauer]

I have a waterproof duffel from Sportsman's Guide that I'm pretty happy with. I like it well enough that if I were buying again I'd probably shell out a bit more for a non-camo version. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=88638 -Lujo Jim wrote:

> Monday, March 22, 2004, 9:49:06 PM, dsmeclipse wrote: > d> I will be taking a short trip in the next few weeks and need some > d> extra storage. I would like something that will fit on the luggage > > Go to REI. Get a big waterproof duffel bag. ~$30. > > I use one for short trips - don't have to worry about rain covers, > etc. Stuff and go. > > http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=12139594&parent_category_rn=4501503 > > jim

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