nklr - australian safari - day 5, crashes knock out two

[dream_theater84]

Hello. I live in Montreal Quebec and own a 1999 KLR 650. This is my first bike ever (as I am only 18). I purchased this bike in April of last year so it has never seen winter in my hands. I really dread the fact of taking the bus and subway to school everday (even in winter time) so I was considering purchasing studded winter tires. It road condition is what I am weary about the most... the weather doesn't bother me in the least because I have heated grips as well a plethora of warm clothes. Does anyone have ANY snow/ice driving experience? anyone know of tire manufacturers that produce studded tires? how is the cost? web sites will help alot. Any tuning I should do to the bike once mother winter arrives? maybe modifying the air/gas mixture? Thanks to all. Danny

[kilrcalikawi]

I remember someone on the list making their own studded tires, I havn't ever seen them readily available, however I live in California and don't have a need for studded tires. Anyone remember who was making the studded tires? Trev (Glad I'm not the youngest one on the list anymore --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dream_theater84" wrote:

> Hello. > > I live in Montreal Quebec and own a 1999 KLR 650. This is my first > bike ever (as I am only 18). I purchased this bike in April of last > year so it has never seen winter in my hands. > > I really dread the fact of taking the bus and subway to school > everday (even in winter time) so I was considering purchasing

studded

> winter tires. > > It road condition is what I am weary about the most... the weather > doesn't bother me in the least because I have heated grips as well

a

> plethora of warm clothes. > > Does anyone have ANY snow/ice driving experience? anyone know of

tire

> manufacturers that produce studded tires? how is the cost? web

sites

> will help alot. > > Any tuning I should do to the bike once mother winter arrives?

maybe

> modifying the air/gas mixture? > > Thanks to all. > Danny

[Dave Watkins]

Danny et al. No Offence Intended Here, Just My Opinion & Observations. I spent one winter riding from Moose Jaw to Saskatoon Saskatchewan, on a 750 Honda. Average temp was probably around -20 F. Longest time 6 hours shortest around 2 I think. Winter riding in the East does not IN ANY WAY equate to riding in a dry cold at -20 - 30 and at 25 miles an hour. Used standard tires, full windshield/fairing, but adjusted the clothing as follows: Full face helmet Balaclava 5 finger wool gloves Artic 3 finger mitts Full snowmobile suit Military Arctic Parka over top of suit Artic wind pants Extra sweater and long johns Mukluks Truck Tire inner tubes over hand grips and knees 2 Thermos' coffee per trip Spent plenty of time with both feet on ice sliding merrily along. Fell asleep once and woke up, still upright, about 300 yds into a wheat field in 1 foot of snow. Kept going and just rode out and carried on. Not the smartest winter I've ever had but SHE was worth the trip. The things we do for Lust! Regardless how cute she is I won't do it again!!! If you want to ride in the snow take a course and ride off road till you know what you're doing before you get out in traffic. No offence but if I was 18, my first bike, and looking for studded tires to ride in the snow I'd ask my best friend to slap me silly till the delusions passed. We have enough parts donors out there and Montreal'ers aren't known for the great driving skills worldwide for nothing. -----Original Message----- From: kilrcalikawi [mailto:kilrcalikawi@...] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:49 AM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: KLR AND WINTER TIRES I remember someone on the list making their own studded tires, I havn't ever seen them readily available, however I live in California and don't have a need for studded tires. Anyone remember who was making the studded tires? Trev (Glad I'm not the youngest one on the list anymore --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dream_theater84" wrote:

> Hello. > > I live in Montreal Quebec and own a 1999 KLR 650. This is my first > bike ever (as I am only 18). I purchased this bike in April of last > year so it has never seen winter in my hands. > > I really dread the fact of taking the bus and subway to school > everday (even in winter time) so I was considering purchasing

studded

> winter tires. > > It road condition is what I am weary about the most... the weather > doesn't bother me in the least because I have heated grips as well

a

> plethora of warm clothes. > > Does anyone have ANY snow/ice driving experience? anyone know of

tire

> manufacturers that produce studded tires? how is the cost? web

sites

> will help alot. > > Any tuning I should do to the bike once mother winter arrives?

maybe

> modifying the air/gas mixture? > > Thanks to all. > Danny

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[Devon Jarvis]

I don't know, but I'd love to hear how they did it. The "good" thing is that with the cold, you can wear a huge amount of armour and protective equipment. Devon kilrcalikawi wrote:

> > I remember someone on the list making their own studded tires, I > havn't ever seen them readily available, however I live in California > and don't have a need for studded tires. Anyone remember who was > making the studded tires? > > Trev > (Glad I'm not the youngest one on the list anymore >

[Devon Jarvis]

I've ridden the last 6 years year-round, but we've had light winters the last few years. I have ridden snow with IRC-GP110 tires, which worked ok. Pirelli MT-21's would be better. None of these were studded, which means I would still be sh*t-out-of-luck on black ice. I don't know about Montreal, but I do know that the roads in winter are far worse in NYC than in Northern VT, for the simple reason that the various VT DPW agencies have the proper equipment and experience to deal with the weather. In the Burlington area at least, you would rarely have to wait more than 30min for the plows and salt trucks to come out. AFAIK the pre-studded tires are for ice racing, are non-DOT legal, and will melt away astonishingly fast on pavement or above freezing temps (think tens of miles, not hundreds or thousands). I've heard of people screwing thin sheet-metal screws into knobbies, then cutting off the heads to leave a small, sharp point that will still allow rubber to contact the road. Definitely not legal, but maybe cheap and effective until the screws wear off. The "best" option would be to get a set of cheap DOT tires, and stud them with real carbide studs. An auto tire shop might be able to stud them for you, don't know how much. An air-powered stud gun costs $350 or so, (compressor not included), a few friends and I are contemplating chipping in for one and sharing it. The current plan is Kenda K760 DOT knobbies, with studs, for winter use only. Hopefully the cold temps will prevent the tires from wearing too quickly. MT-21 are more streetworthy, but the knobs aren't as deep. Get metal handguards, and a radiator guard. You will drop the bike, more than once. Devon Brooklyn dream_theater84 wrote:

> > Hello. > > I live in Montreal Quebec and own a 1999 KLR 650. This is my first > bike ever (as I am only 18). I purchased this bike in April of last > year so it has never seen winter in my hands. > > I really dread the fact of taking the bus and subway to school > everday (even in winter time) so I was considering purchasing studded > winter tires. > > It road condition is what I am weary about the most... the weather > doesn't bother me in the least because I have heated grips as well a > plethora of warm clothes. > > Does anyone have ANY snow/ice driving experience? anyone know of tire > manufacturers that produce studded tires? how is the cost? web sites > will help alot. > > Any tuning I should do to the bike once mother winter arrives? maybe > modifying the air/gas mixture? > > Thanks to all. > Danny > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Riley]

Aerostich sells a studding gun and studs. Your big problem here will probably be the cops. Waited too long one year to put my bikes into storage at my Dad's. The day I had organized a second rider to take my other bike and a buddy in a car to drive us back it started snowing like mad. Aired down the tires and off we went. It was slippery enough that when you let off the throttle the rear tire would just lock and the motor would stall. We only had to go about 3 kms. Passed by the local Police Station where buddy's wife works. She told us later that if she had seen us she would have nailed us. Seems there are million laws we were potentially breaking. The can nail you for driving a car in the winter without snow or all season tires. As for the sheet metal screws, on pavement they would last about 25 km. You need those carbide studs! Riley Montreal A15 Devon Jarvis wrote:

> I don't know, but I'd love to hear how they did it. The "good" thing is > that with the cold, you can wear a huge amount of armour and protective > equipment. > > Devon > > kilrcalikawi wrote: > > > > I remember someone on the list making their own studded tires, I > > havn't ever seen them readily available, however I live in California > > and don't have a need for studded tires. Anyone remember who was > > making the studded tires? > > > > Trev > > (Glad I'm not the youngest one on the list anymore > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Douglas Dick]

With all the salt in Montreal in the winter you will be able to hear the bike rust out from under you. But if you dread it that much, here is a link that might interest you. Douglas Dick Winnipeg MB mailto:ddick2@... -----Original Message----- From: dream_theater84 [mailto:dream_theater84@...] Sent: August 28, 2002 10:39 PM To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] KLR AND WINTER TIRES Hello. I live in Montreal Quebec and own a 1999 KLR 650. This is my first bike ever (as I am only 18). I purchased this bike in April of last year so it has never seen winter in my hands. I really dread the fact of taking the bus and subway to school everday (even in winter time) so I was considering purchasing studded winter tires. It road condition is what I am weary about the most... the weather doesn't bother me in the least because I have heated grips as well a plethora of warm clothes. Does anyone have ANY snow/ice driving experience? anyone know of tire manufacturers that produce studded tires? how is the cost? web sites will help alot. Any tuning I should do to the bike once mother winter arrives? maybe modifying the air/gas mixture? Thanks to all. Danny Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[guymanbro]

It was Mark...I think he used Barum tires because they were cheaper than Trelleborgs. He ended up using nails for studs and inserted them head first into the holes on the Barum tire (it was designed for studs but not standard automotive ones) and then cutting them down to a street legal length. dat brooklyn bum

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "kilrcalikawi" wrote: > I remember someone on the list making their own studded tires, I > havn't ever seen them readily available, however I live in California > and don't have a need for studded tires. Anyone remember who was > making the studded tires? > > Trev > (Glad I'm not the youngest one on the list anymore > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dream_theater84" > wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I live in Montreal Quebec and own a 1999 KLR 650. This is my first > > bike ever (as I am only 18). I purchased this bike in April of last > > year so it has never seen winter in my hands. > > > > I really dread the fact of taking the bus and subway to school > > everday (even in winter time) so I was considering purchasing > studded > > winter tires. > > > > It road condition is what I am weary about the most... the weather > > doesn't bother me in the least because I have heated grips as well > a > > plethora of warm clothes. > > > > Does anyone have ANY snow/ice driving experience? anyone know of > tire > > manufacturers that produce studded tires? how is the cost? web > sites > > will help alot. > > > > Any tuning I should do to the bike once mother winter arrives? > maybe > > modifying the air/gas mixture? > > > > Thanks to all. > > Danny

[Ted Palmer]

ephilride@... wrote: [...]

> MOTO DIVISION:

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> 8. P. McDonald (Vic) Honda XR650 19:32.10

[...] Good to see Peter McDonald up there in the placings. Peter was the chief instructor at Honda Australia Rider Training some years ago when I did some advanced courses there. I think he may have returned there as chief instructor after a stint as a desk jockey somewhere in the Honda Australia hierarchy. Last I heard a few months ago, Peter and a couple of cops got into an impromptu wheelie competition after the end of an open day at HART. As I heard it, the cops on their fancy BMWs lost out to Peter on one of the Honda CBX750P (low-tech police special) instructor bikes. Mister_T Melbourne Australia