language on the nklr

[Russell D. Stephan, Sr. Tech Analyst]

At 06:00 PM 11/29/01 -0000, you wrote:

> >Profanity on this list will not be tolerated. >

Interesting, I've always thought of censorship as a rather profane concept. If I'm not mistaken, words convey meaning, intonation, and feeling. If "fornicating" meant the same thing as "fucking" I would have used it. If "sphincter" had the same effect as "asshole" I would have deployed the noun. I don't use words inappropriately. However, for someone in charge of a medium composed of only the written word to forbid the use of English's more colorful members, a disservice is done to all that hold the art of language in all its styles as dear. I have posted to this List numerous essays of in depth thought and motorcycle experiences. If you've read those pieces I'm sure you'll agree I pick and choose my prose for the soul purpose of conveying a idea or sensation. Judgement of my writing should be based on its whole body of work, not just one or two words. Being singled out by someone for a personal and public attack required a forceful response. I stand by my posts and my choice of words. I will not modify my use of the written word to cow tow to the Politically Correct (another absurd concept along with book burning and gun control). Individual listers may filter me at their local email client if they so choose. That is freedom. To be dictated as to what they may or may not see is to buy in to the same concepts we are currently battling with fighter jets and artillery shells a half a world away. I will continue to post and write as *I* deem fit, not as someone dictates. The operators of this List also have a choice -- excessive paternalism or open pluralism. Personally, I will not miss membership in a group where word choice is the only determining factor for acceptance if it should come to that. Thanks, *************************************************************************** Russell D. Stephan, Voice: (614) 760-3065 Senior Technical Analyst Fax: (614) 760-3360 Technology Management Consulting, Inc. email: rstephan@... 9980 Brewster Lane, Suite A. russell.stephan@... Powell, Ohio 43065 URL: http://www.tmconsult.com

[Mark]

At 3:24 PM -0500 11/29/01, Russell D. Stephan, Sr. Tech Analyst wrote:

>If >"sphincter" had the same effect as "asshole" I would have deployed the noun.

Actually, if you were more descriptive by employing an adjective and said "rectal sphincter", it would have had the same effect IMO. Mark B2 A2 #%&@3

[Fred Hink]

Russell, This list has just gone through this subject recently. You have to realize that this isn't *your* mailing list and this list isn't protected with the Constitution of US government. This is Gino's list and he sets the rules. If you can't abide by what he says then you have to find another place to fit your needs. What you feel is "colorful" might be offensive to others. This list is for all folks, young and old, and we all have to live together. If you can't play by the rules here then start your own list and you make your own rules. ps Gino asked you to take this off list, didn't he? Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell D. Stephan, Sr. Tech Analyst" To: ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Re: Language on the list > I will continue to post and write as *I* deem fit, not as someone dictates. > The operators of this List also have a choice -- excessive paternalism or > open pluralism. > > Personally, I will not miss membership in a group where word choice is the > only determining factor for acceptance if it should come to that. > > > > > Thanks, > > > *************************************************************************** > Russell D. Stephan,

[rm@richardmay.net]

Quoting "Russell D. Stephan, Sr. Tech Analyst" :

>Being singled out by someone for a personal and public attack required >a forceful response. I stand by my posts and my choice of words.

Russell, I tried this the last time the list changed hands. You're talking to a brick wall.

[k650dsn@aol.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Russell D. Stephan, Sr. Tech Analyst" wrote:

> > I don't use words inappropriately. However, for someone in charge

of a

> medium composed of only the written word to forbid the use of

English's more

> colorful members, a disservice is done to all that hold the art of

language

> in all its styles as dear.

I'm glad you found your dictionary.

> > I have posted to this List numerous essays of in depth thought and > motorcycle experiences. If you've read those pieces I'm sure you'll

agree I

> pick and choose my prose for the soul purpose of conveying a idea or > sensation. Judgement of my writing should be based on its whole

body of

> work, not just one or two words.

Sorry, I must have missed them. I only read posts with subject lines that interest me.

> > Being singled out by someone for a personal and public attack

required a

> forceful response.

I don't belive I ever mentioned you, butthanks for coming forward.

>I stand by my posts and my choice of words. > > I will not modify my use of the written word to cow tow to the

Politically

> Correct (another absurd concept along with book burning and gun

control).

>

Fine with me. Post what you want, but the rule is the rule. Next post with profanity in it and I'll nuke you. No questions asked.

> Individual listers may filter me at their local email client if they

so

> choose. That is freedom.

Great. This is the KLR list and guess what, it's not a democracy.

> I will continue to post and write as *I* deem fit, not as someone

dictates. And I will ban lister as I seem fit too.

> The operators of this List also have a choice -- excessive

paternalism or

> open pluralism. > > Personally, I will not miss membership in a group where word choice

is the

> only determining factor for acceptance if it should come to that. > > > > > Thanks, >

Your welcome Gino

[k650dsn@aol.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., rm@r... wrote:

> Russell, I tried this the last time the list changed hands. You're

talking to

> a brick wall.

Thanks, RM. I resemble that remark. Gino, pumping iron and it shows.

[jonathan.sykes@ps.ge.com]

As long as it's English... Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If the Bill of Rights is good enough for Congress, it should be good enough for this list, right? Go concentrate on something a little more important instead.

[Scott Adams]

> If the Bill of Rights is good enough for Congress, it should be good

enough

> for this list, right? Go concentrate on something a little more important > instead.

WRONG. This list is not controlled by Congress. It is a private party folks and you are all here by invitation only - and subject to extreme nuking at the will of the listmeister. Go Gino. -Scott

[Stu]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., a genius wrote:

> > If the Bill of Rights is good enough for Congress, it should be

good

> enough > > for this list, right? Go concentrate on something a little more

important

> > instead. >

Nah, I don't like to hear cussin when I'm out with the family. I don't mind minding my p's and q's on the list. Makes for a better list. More civilized, ya know. Thanks Gino, are you up to 99 pounds yet? =P CA Stu

[Russell D. Stephan, Sr. Tech Analyst]

I am quite familiar with the way email lists work. Over the last three years I have composed and posted over five hundred pages of originally created content for moto list posting on a dozen or more lists. Some of that work has ended up on the KRL group. You'll have to review my language posts again. I never claimed this was my list. I never proposed the list bend to my *rules*. I post and write to *my* own personal standards. If those standards in their entirety aren't acceptable to those in charge, so be it. I have never claimed this forum was protected by anything other than the intelligent, insightful, and educated decisions of it's owners. However, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Franklin should be a good judgmental framework for a healthy and thriving discussion doctrine. You may also want to consult the concept of basic human liberty. I fully understand the ramifications of my actions and my posts. I am quite willing to suffer those consequences if necessary. I do stick to my convictions even in the face of pressure; something which is exceedingly rare these days. Censorship is something best left to the individual consumer of information, not the controller of its distribution. I'd never be able to complete some of my more arduous motorcycle adventures if I turned tail every time things got difficult. Funny thing is, if you ride and work on bikes you swear like a sailor now and then. I have yet to meet a group of bikers that didn't use "colorful" language occasionally. Maybe you'd be kind enough to introduce me to the exception. If two words out of dozens of pages of original list content are your only judging criteria, then you are correct in your assertion of examining "getting along". I must also point out that my original post was a response to an attack by a fellow lister. Seems to me, this whole language issue would be mute if the original attack was chastised. In my book, personal attacks with or without foul language are orders of magnitude worse offenses than the sprinkling of flavorful expletives. And no, I have not been privately or publicly asked to take it off list. I responded to a public post, just as I'm responding to a public post here. I have had my say on this topic and consider the issue closed. Those in charge can prosecute the issue further if they so desire. My prose, however will continue to remain under my own control of judgement and creativity. At 02:15 PM 11/29/01 -0700, you wrote:

>This list has just gone through this subject recently. You have to realize >that this isn't *your* mailing list and this list isn't protected with the >Constitution of US government. This is Gino's list and he sets the rules. >If you can't abide by what he says then you have to find another place to >fit your needs. > >What you feel is "colorful" might be offensive to others. This list is for >all folks, young and old, and we all have to live together. If you can't >play by the rules here then start your own list and you make your own rules. > >ps Gino asked you to take this off list, didn't he? >

Thanks, *************************************************************************** Russell D. Stephan, Voice: (614) 760-3065 Senior Technical Analyst Fax: (614) 760-3360 Technology Management Consulting, Inc. email: rstephan@... 9980 Brewster Lane, Suite A. russell.stephan@... Powell, Ohio 43065 URL: http://www.tmconsult.com