nklr countersteer

[Kalvin Schroder]

I live in Washington State just a few miles from the Canadian border. I was checking out prices of a new KLR 650 between our two countries and found that I could save almost $1000 USD buy buying it up in Canada. I was quoted $4999 in my state, and $6299CDN or ($4090 US). Is there anyone in the group who has found this, and is there anyone that has imported a bike from Canada - if so what are the hassles? /kal bellingham wa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

[squidwannabe@hotmail.com]

I paid $5000 CDN for my A14 in March,01. Had 1200kms on it. But 6299 is MSRP, they retail for $5699 here in Montreal that's what I was quoted. Look for used, you'll save even more.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Kalvin Schroder" wrote: > I live in Washington State just a few miles from the Canadian border. I was > checking out prices of a new KLR 650 between our two countries and found > that I could save almost $1000 USD buy buying it up in Canada. I was quoted > $4999 in my state, and $6299CDN or ($4090 US). Is there anyone in the group > who has found this, and is there anyone that has imported a bike from Canada > - if so what are the hassles? > > /kal bellingham wa > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

[MERK]

Yeah, the price difference is substantial... ;>}. I paid 6220.00...out the door. That would include 15% tax (GST&PST) so actual selling price was 5670.00 (including freight and set-up). Now ,this was for a "in-stock" bike. He had one 2001 KLR left. I can`t speak from experience, as I`ve never imported a bike (have done an auto- no prob.) but, I don`t think it`s too tough if the same model is available in both countries. The dealer I purchased from does have experience with Exporting though, and is a great guy `ta boot! :>). This probably won`t help you Kal, as I`m in Ontario, But If anyone (US. or Canadian) wants more info, give me a shout off-list. MERK!.........Deeds Speak!! merk26@...

> I live in Washington State just a few miles from the Canadian border.

I was

> checking out prices of a new KLR 650 between our two countries and

found

> that I could save almost $1000 USD buy buying it up in Canada. I was

quoted

> $4999 in my state, and $6299CDN or ($4090 US). Is there anyone in the

group

> who has found this, and is there anyone that has imported a bike from

Canada

> - if so what are the hassles? > > /kal bellingham wa > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

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[squidwannabe@hotmail.com]

From another guy via email ....

>From: BKGADGET@... >To: squidwannabe@... >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Prices of KLR 650 between Canada

and the US

>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:59:55 EDT > >To the best of my knowledge, you can import a motor vehicle without

any

>problems as long as it is the current model year. It helps now that

Canada is

>using the same regs as the US with regards to emissions etc. (we

used to

>bring in the European spec bikes) > >If you are interested, I have a 2001 KLR 650 with about 1000 kms on

it (600

>miles) that I am selling due to a knee injury. (not bike related) > >It has the Kawasaki tank bag, saddle bags and mount, progressive fork >springs, braided s.s. brake lines, MSR shift lever and is under

warranty

>until Feb of next year. > >I am asking $5000.00 CDN for it. (about $3300.00 US ? ) I live

close to

>Toronto, Ontario Canada if you are interested. > >Bruce McCracken

[Les Lampman]

> I live in Washington State just a few miles from the Canadian border. I

was

> checking out prices of a new KLR 650 between our two countries and found > that I could save almost $1000 USD buy buying it up in Canada. I was

quoted

> $4999 in my state, and $6299CDN or ($4090 US). Is there anyone in the

group

> who has found this, and is there anyone that has imported a bike from

Canada

> - if so what are the hassles?

There is one positive to this scheme ... you save money. Everything else is a negative. Foremost, you fail to support your local dealers. If you're shopping amongst other dealers in the area each has a shot at your business depending on their willingness to compete. None of those dealers can financially compete against the Canadian economy and yet we still expect them to be there when we have questions, want parts, etc. The common scenario (not necessarily in this case) is to go "shopping" at the local place (sit on their bikes, use their time for questions) then head to somewhere else to "get the best deal". Secondarily all the purchase money ends up out-of-country and does nothing to support the U.S. economy. Their may be warranty issues. Some companies do not have warranty coverage on units purchased outside the U.S. In general, Kawasaki of Japan does not own the bikes that are sold in the U.S. and Canada, Kawasaki USA and Kawasaki Canada do. They are the entities that provide warranty coverage to their respective sold units. Depending on policy they may or may not provide reciprocal coverage (except when traveling which is almost always done out of courtesy). The bike must be certified to meet U.S. EPA requirements. My recommendation is to call all the Kawasaki dealers within the distance that you are willing to travel to get a bike, tell each one that you have decided to purchase a KLR 650 and that you are looking for the best price. Tell them you can get it for "X" dollars at another dealership if you've gotten a legitimate lower quote. Generally, I find two types of reactions to this approach...1) If you're so interested in price and are willing to go to then "go for it, bye" and 2) "sure, we'll compete...what price do I have to beat?". You may catch a dealer that is overstocked, paying to much flooring or just wants to make a deal. THEN, call your closest local dealer, the one you're probably going to contact for parts, help, service, whatever and give them the last opportunity to earn your business. Tell them that you want to buy from them if possible but that you've found a KLR 650 available for and they'll need to come close to make the sale. Now, it's your turn. If they come anywhere near the price go with them (unless you already hate the place, in which case you wouldn't be this far along the process) considering the cost to go get a bike from further away and the lower hassle factor/ driving distance if you do have some warranty issues with your bike. Yes, your KLR will be covered at any Kawasaki dealership, they *must* provide warranty service to every unit but you may find yourself waiting quite a while to get that service. Quicker service may be just one of the "perks" to having purchased your machine from the dealer who will provide service and parts. All in all, I recommend to my customers to shop for the best value, not necessarily the best price. They aren't the same at all. ___o=^\o______ Les Lampman Whidbey Island, WA COG# 4698, BMWMOA #56205 KLR 650 A2

[don beck]

There is also a 10% import duty charged at the WA border when you bring it back. You NEED the border paperwork when you apply for a title in WA. Double check that the CDN bike can be registered in WA. The best way is to get the VIN# of the bike, go to a Dept of Lic. facility, give them the VIN#, they will check it to see if it can be titled/licensed in WA. don, A11, in WA

[Rich Kickbush]

> > > I disagree. When on an empty stretch of road try turning the bars > > slightly to the left and notice which way the bike turns. > > > > Gerret > > A15 "Mj lnir" > > That's just the initiation of the turn. Once you're in the the turn, > the bars and wheel are pointed into the turn. Our MSF instructor > explained it thus: "When you go around a turn in a car, notice how all > the crap on the dashboard (fast food containers, etc) slides to the > outside of the turn via centrifugal force. Countersteering uses > centrifugal force to lean the bike. To make a right turn, you start by > pressing on the right grip, as if you wanted to turn the bars to the > left. [note that they say "press" and not "turn"] The bike tries to > make a left turn, and centrifugal force leans the bike to the right. > [center of mass of the bike is higher than the ground's reaction force] > Then the bike leans through the turn." > > That was paraphrased, I don't have the manual handy. But note that when > you countersteer, you're applying counter-force to the bars, not > actually turning them in the opposite direction. > > -- > Dr. J. Christopher Krok Project Engineer, Adaptive Wall Wind Tunnel > Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories, California Institute of Technology > MS 205-45 Phone: 626.395.4794 > Pasadena, CA 91125 Fax: 626.449.2677 >

Its true - he's a clever lad you know. All that adapting of walls has paid off. Here's a site that explains it with diagrams and larger font. http://home.earthlink.net/~jamesdavis/TIP048.html Rich