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Reply to: RE: [DSN_klr650] Digest Number 586 Hey Everybody - What's the skinny on Avon Gripsters in the rain? I've heard that they are kind of slippery and wonder if anybody know for sure. If so what are stickier in the wet, short of street tires (lazers, Pirellis etc.) Bowman Kelley

On 10/8/00, DSN_klr650 wrote: This message contains more text than QuickMail can display. The complete text has been enclosed as a file. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Commuter Bikes From: jirvine@... 2. Re: Thanks........ From: Mark McCoy 3. Re: RE: NKLR...just bought a Connie... From: Mark McCoy 4. NKLR trip report - from Twin Falls (ID) From: "Mark S. Hamlin" 5. Re: Commuter Bikes From: "Steve Davis" 6. Re: Eric crossing over From: "zootpatutie" 7. Re: Commuter Bikes From: "Dale Johnson" 8. Re: Commuter Bikes From: "Joe Smith" 9. Re: Re: Eric crossing over From: "Robert Morgan" 10. RE: Re: Eric crossing over NKLR From: "Kurt Simpson \(Editor Dual Sport News\)" 11. Commuter Bikes From: Christopher Forrest Elledge 12. RE: Commuter Bikes From: "Dreas Nielsen" 13. Re: Commuter Bikes From: Mark 14. Re: NKLR, Mardi Gras camping From: punkynsquirt@... 15. Nolan N100 Helmets From: LPetty4585@... 16. Off Idle From: "Steve Davis" 17. Santa Paula contact? NKLR From: stuart heaslet 18. Re: Commuter Bikes From: thesquasher@... 19. Re: Off Idle From: "Tom Bowman" 20. Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: thesquasher@... 21. Re: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: jirvine@... 22. Re: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: "Fred Hink" 23. RE: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: JIM JAMES 24. Commuter bike and tyres From: "James Chan" 25. Re: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: Tom Simpson ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:27:42 -0700 From: jirvine@... Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes At 08:38 PM 10/7/00 -0700, Patrick McKee wrote: >I am new to the list and thought I would throw out this question. > >If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following >choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja >500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very >interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. I guess it depend somewhat on the type and length of commute. A commuter should be economical, require little maintenance, and be rock solid in reliability. That would steer me away from a Harley/Buell. It also needs some power at a useable RPM, the KLR has enough. I don't like using a bike that I have a lot of money into if I'll be wracking up a lot of miles doing the commute. I've been doing 25 a day on the KLR at speeds from zero to 75. It works well. One day a week I use the XX just to feel real horsepower (-: JI NM ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:28:09 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: Thanks........ Jim: You work on a riverboat, any chance in southern Indiana? I live nearby in Dayton, OH and there are a few other on the list in the area. Mark McCoy ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:40:42 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: RE: NKLR...just bought a Connie... And if there are any Connie shoppers out there my riding buddy has one for sale. I forget the model year but it is an earlier one and I think he wants a little less than $4k. It is a nice bike but his wife has not been riding with him much and he needs to sell it to finance the purchase of an A14 from one of our friends who won one of the F650s at the BMWMOA rally this year. I have pictures of it on my other PC and can get details. The bike is in Dayton, OH. Mark McCoy Zachariah Mully wrote: > Well, I just bought a Connie about a month ago because I felt a need for a > bike to burn up serious highway miles. Mines an 1986, silver, 42K miles on > the odo, with enough body work damage to put a grin on a dealers face. I > bought it condition unknown for $750 and had to drive it home. Quickly > found out that the clutch needs new return springs, and that the fan relay > needs to be replaced. Had to drive it home in rush hour traffic, not FUN! > Makes my KLR feel like a ballet drancer, but I appreciate the 90 bhp on > the highway. Need to fix the luggague as well as the left hand bag > decided to make a jump for it at 65 mph on the 14 st bridge in > Wash,DC... THE scariest experience of my life retrieving my bag, walking > into traffic on 66E at 8 pm to pick up my bag. Hell my life's worth more > than $750! By it should be a fun winter project. I would love to hear who > else has gone the kawi route exclusively! > > Zack > SE DC > 1991 KLR650 "Buster" > 1986 Concours > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 wschase@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/7/00 11:30:17 PM Central Daylight Time, ric@... > > writes: > > > > Welcome to the order Kurt. As a brother we can offer you assistance with > > that nasty old Quota, I'll cc Brother Dan, between he and I we can shoulder > > the burden of it. How many ZG1K2LR650 fellers do we have out there anyway ? > > > > >> > > TWO best "value" and fun bikes anywhere! > > > > Semper Fi ! > > Steve > > Dallas, Texas > > A14 ZG 1000 > > A14 KLR 650 > > Buell Blast (hers) > > Buell Lightning (mine soon I hope!) > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:56:12 -0700 From: "Mark S. Hamlin" Subject: NKLR trip report - from Twin Falls (ID) If you need a crash spot in the south bay, give me a holler. Mark S. Hamlin Corralitos, Ca >>>>>I'll be in the desert for a while, most likely you won't hear from me for about a week. Then I'm heading towards California and San Francisco. I don't want to intrude for too long, so I keep my first report very short. I appologize for that. I wish you all the best. Cheers, istvan ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:58:28 -0700 From: "Steve Davis" Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes I've owned both; they are rock solid and some of the most maintenance free motorcycles I've ever owned. Still, a KLR or F650 is probably better in the urban environment; lighter with tighter turning radius. sd ---------- >From: jirvine@... >To: Patrick McKee , DSN_klr650@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Commuter Bikes >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 7:27 AM > > A commuter > should be economical, require little maintenance, and be rock solid in > reliability. That would steer me away from a Harley/Buell. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:11:31 -0700 From: "zootpatutie" Subject: Re: Eric crossing over To watch this life go by, we would become alone. To participate in it, we touch a world we could never otherwise know. Prayers to Eric's family and a toast to one who participated and touched my life in the process. Todd A9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Palmer" To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Eric crossing over > cloudhid@... wrote: > > > Here's Eric's portrait showing us how he swims > > to the other side with his KLR. Goodbye friend. > > Well, I dunno what to say... none of us are getting any younger. > > Next time we're out beside the campfire on a fine summer night, spare > a thought for Eric. > > Mister_T > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:22:10 -0000 From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes I use my Y2K KLR to commute.. I commute 150 miles a day.. I have had my KLR since March and have put almost 17000 miles on it. I love it. Not only do I commute on it but I also get to take it off-road. (Thanks Cal-Posse I had a great time yesterday.) Best of both worlds Dale ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:46:59 -0700 From: "Joe Smith" Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes > >If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following > >choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja > >500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very > >interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. Theres a lot of variables in what people call a commute but assuming about twenty miles each way in all weather except snow I think I would say the Harley 883. Why? 1. HD myth to the contrary (mostly perpetuated by people who have never owned one) I have found the ones I owned to be about as reliable as anything else. 2. The Sportster with belt drive, hydraulic valves, maintenance free battery is low maintenance and what it does need is either easily done at home or cheap to have done. 3. A wide range of accessory wind screens as well as luggage racks and saddle bags abound for the 883. 4. Sportsters get excellent fuel economy, mine usually ran between 50 and 60 mpg. 5. Finally, the biggest single reason is resale value. Depreciation is a huge cost of operating motorcycles and Sportsters depreciate less than anything else you mentioned. This, more than any other factor, would sway the decision to the Sportster. Now of course, if some of the machines could be purchased in perfect condition used, for a substantial reduction in price, this could help offset the depreciation. The other bikes you mention would probably be satisfactory. I am not especially impressed with the Blast and don't believe it would sell well. The Kawasaki W650 would probably be very good except that there is not much aftermarket around it yet and unless you get one highly disounted, $6495 is about $1500 too much for it, especially when Suzuki sells their awesome SV650 for $5395. The Ninja 500 is a nice bike if you have good parking conditions, I would not like to think about the expensive fairing damage if it gets knocked over while parked on the street. I want to like the new Bonneville but truthfully, I'm not sure Kawasaki didn't out English the English with their W650, the styling just isn't quite right. Another fine commuter, if you can find one, is the Honda PC800. I can't stand the idea of owning it personally but I do admit to its practicality in light of the protection the fairing and windscreen offers and the lockable luggage space, its just not very pretty to me. Joe S 96 KLR650 96 GL1500SE 99 DR350SE 99 900 Monster Joe S 96 KLR650 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:54:46 -0700 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: Re: Eric crossing over Dear Beth I am deeply saddened by your loss. Eric was very well liked on the list. We have a very strong sense of community here and we all will miss him very much. Eric's participation enriched us all. I had conversed with him many times, even argued and teased him on occasion. He had spunk , a very energetic attitude, and a great sense of humor, I admire that. Once, when we were arguing about something as mundane as how much oil to put in our motorcycles he told me which bar I could meet him at to discuss it further! I never got the chance to have that drink. I never got the chance to ride with him either. I am sure we'll hook up on the other side someday. If there is anything that I, or anyone else here on our list for that matter, can do to ease your burden please let us know. Peace be with you as our thoughts are. Robert Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Eric crossing over > Hello. > > I am Eric's sister Beth. I don't know how many of you knew my brother, or how well. Since I'm writing to a bunch of people I don't know, I can only guess. But whether you liked him, agreed with him, or not, and although it may have seemingly come out differently, Eric's strongest values were honesty, loyalty to friends and family, and integrity. I hope you all knew this about my brother. He loved to ride. It was one of the best things in his life to be on a bike. I hope you all know that too. > > Again, since I don't know any of you or how well you know my brother, I will just say thak you to his friends out there. Should anyone want Funeral information, you can e-mail me at: Further2be@... > > > Should anyone want to make any donations, please send them in memory of Eric to: > > Terry Barnard AMA Billboard Fund > 13515 Yarmouth Dr. > Pickerington, OH 43147 > > The National Motorcycle Safety Fund > 2 Jenner St. > Irvine, CA 92618 > > Juvenile Diabetes Foundation > 120 Wall Street > 19th Floor > New York, NY 10005 > Attention: Public Information Group > > > Thank you. > Beth Jasniewicz > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:41:16 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson \(Editor Dual Sport News\)" Subject: RE: Re: Eric crossing over NKLR > I am deeply saddened by your loss. Eric was very well liked on the > list. Thanks Morgan, beautifully written... Kurt ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Forrest Elledge Subject: Commuter Bikes ===Orig Mess=== From: Patrick McKee If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja 500. ===End Mess=== I will only comment [here] on what I know; not rumors and the like: Have you seen / ridden the Blast? I would not recommend it unless you are very small in frame and weight. It is a very small, weak bike. Every model of every Buell ever produced has been recalled for something or other; and the somethings are usually for major component / functions. I owned a Ninja 500 before they had those Ninja stickers. They were and still are EX500s. The EX shares pretty much nothing in common mechanically with the bigger Ninjas. I thought it made a fine commuter with [like the others you mention] not a whole lot of weather protection. EXs are easy to work on, and Kaw has been cranking them out for years, so parts and reliability are proven. The intended seating position is relativly comfortable; however my 6'4" frame was way too leggy for the bike. Good luck; hope this helps. Chris Elledge Roanoke VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:52:50 -0700 From: "Dreas Nielsen" Subject: RE: Commuter Bikes > If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following > choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja > 500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very > interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. > > Seems like the others mentioned might be better at freeeway > speeds but correct me if I am wrong. >> > Patrick McKee I commute on the KLR, a route that includes about 15 miles of highway at 65-80 mph (true). I have never ridden any of your other candidates, but can tell you that the KLR is happy to run at those speeds for hours on end. Because of its windage and light weight, however, the KLR is best kept out of the wake of big trucks when at speed on the highway. I think a Triumph Tiger might actually be a better commuter bike for highway running, because it is heavier and has a lot more power, but at twice the price it is nothing like twice the bike. And in town or the twisties, it's greater weight and lower cornering clearance would reduce the fun factor. Dreas ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:28:00 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes At 8:38 PM -0700 10/7/00, Patrick McKee wrote: >I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 What's the point? $6500 for a new old-tech bike is nuts. If you want a bike like that, you'd be better off getting a pristine '77 KZ650 for $1500 and use the cash you saved for a new KLR650. Mark B2 A2 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:52:24 EDT From: punkynsquirt@... Subject: Re: NKLR, Mardi Gras camping Hi John: I hope we can all get together in N'Orleans for The Zeus Parade and Mardi Gras. The more the merrier. I hope I have my KLR by then, but that is not a certainty yet. If I have the bike by then it would be a great opportunity to do Mardi Gras and shake out the wrinkles in my preparations for the Americas Motopaseo. The departure date is set for May 1, 2001. For one thing I probably have too much stuff. My plans are pretty ambitious for someone who hasn't ridden a bike in more than 20 years. Hope to see y'all in N'Orleans. Lew Waterman Punky & Lew's Americas Motopaseo Greenacres, Florida, USA ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:41:14 EDT From: LPetty4585@... Subject: Nolan N100 Helmets There is a distributor closeout on ebay of Nolan N100 Helmets various colors and sizes $109-119, picked up a silver trend for $109 and extra shields for $15 LArry ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:20:21 -0700 From: "Steve Davis" Subject: Off Idle I'm going nuts trying to cure this off-idle problem on my 98 KLR. Here's the symptom: the transition from a closed throttle position to a slightly open throttle (say 1/8 throttle) is very abrupt. Like turning a switch on and off. This makes it quite tricky to use engine braking descending a hill as the bike wants to lurch forward when I re-apply the throttle. Likewise, rolling the throttle completely off is like hitting the kill switch. The bike has stock exhaust with K&N. Dynojet needle on the third clip. Mixture screw out 2 1/2 turns. I've gone all the way down on the clip and have set the mixture screw as much as 3 turns out (maximum recommended by Dynojet) and the symtom remains. The bike otherwise pulls strong as the throttle is opened up. Any suggestions or should I just try and live with this? steve ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:52:56 -0400 From: stuart heaslet Subject: Santa Paula contact? NKLR Which one of you guys is based at Santa Paula Airport? Thanks. Stuart A12 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:12:27 -0000 From: thesquasher@... Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes If you can get one , the best bang for the buck commuter bike would be the Suzuki SV650. You may also want to look at the Suzuki GS500 or the Kawasaki 750 naked strret bike. I like the KLR but think from your four choices below the Ninja 500 would be a good choice (commuter only). The Harley 883 cost too much and vibrates more than the KLR. Both the KLR and Buell blast are single cylinder thumpers. But I think the Buell is only 500cc and costs more $$$. I think the W650 is too much $$$ for what you get. To me the KLR sits up too high to really zip through traffic (I know alot of people are going to disagree with that). I don't know anything about the Triumph. --- In DSN_klr650@egroups.com, Patrick McKee wrote: > I am new to the list and thought I would throw out this question. > > If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following > choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja > 500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very > interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. > > > > Thanx in advance, > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:30:00 -0400 From: "Tom Bowman" Subject: Re: Off Idle Steve writes: > I'm going nuts trying to cure this off-idle problem on my 98 KLR. Here's the > symptom: the transition from a closed throttle position to a slightly open > throttle (say 1/8 throttle) is very abrupt. Like turning a switch on and > off. This makes it quite tricky to use engine braking descending a hill as > the bike wants to lurch forward when I re-apply the throttle. Likewise, > rolling the throttle completely off is like hitting the kill switch. > > The bike has stock exhaust with K&N. Dynojet needle on the third clip. > Mixture screw out 2 1/2 turns. I've gone all the way down on the clip and > have set the mixture screw as much as 3 turns out (maximum recommended by > Dynojet) and the symtom remains. The bike otherwise pulls strong as the > throttle is opened up. > > Any suggestions or should I just try and live with this? A guess would be that your pilot mixture is too rich. Try setting the idle mixture screw at 1.5 turns out and see if it's better: if so you can go down as low as the stock setting of 3/4 and see whether it gets better still. A few more data points would be helpful: is your airbox stock or modified? Did this problem suddenly appear or come on gradually? Did it by any chance coincide with the re-jetting? Does your bike require the "Start" (fuel enrichener) lever open to fire from cold? or does it start fine with the lever closed? Has your float level ever been checked? FWIW, excess chain slack will give a sensation something like this - a "lag" between throttle open and response, accompanied by a lurch. Don't bother asking me how I know..... Tom Bowman Atlanta A14 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:36:41 -0000 From: thesquasher@... Subject: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results I don't own a scottoiler but I looked into it for my bike. From reading results from other users on different websites I chose not to get one. The reason - The scottoiler is a manual luber. You have to turn it on and off by hand before and after use. If you forget to turn it off after your done riding you will come back to a puddle of oil on the ground the next day(s). If you forget to turn it on before you start riding, it does no good. Other people said the scootoiler lets oil streak/spray on thier clothing(legs) from the oil flying off the chain. Also there is a problem in adjusting the flow just right. It seems to be either too much or none at all. Personally I dont see a need for it. If you can remember to turn it on before riding then you can remember to spray some lube on the chain also. If you use your KLR in a dusty enviroment the lube from the oiler/chain will mix with the dirt/dust and create a liquid sandpaper type sluge that will wear your chain down anyway. """This is only my opinion""" --- In DSN_klr650@egroups.com, Paul Kneisl wrote: > Recently I asked the list to comment about their experiences with the > Scottoiler. If you have any contrary opinion, > nows the time to speak up before this subject is archieved for eons to come! > > Paul Kneisl > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:4 Bowman Kelley C2 Creative Inc. 646.473.3532 877.523.8740 (pager) 917.209.1262 (cell)

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Reply to: RE: [DSN_klr650] Digest Number 586 Here's my two cents: Ninja - uncomfortable Buell - expensive Sportster - unreliable KLR - perfect then I'm biased New Triumphs are cool, I used to service them in NY Never heard of a retro Kwaka. Bowman Kelley

On 10/8/00, DSN_klr650 wrote: This message contains more text than QuickMail can display. The complete text has been enclosed as a file. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Commuter Bikes From: jirvine@... 2. Re: Thanks........ From: Mark McCoy 3. Re: RE: NKLR...just bought a Connie... From: Mark McCoy 4. NKLR trip report - from Twin Falls (ID) From: "Mark S. Hamlin" 5. Re: Commuter Bikes From: "Steve Davis" 6. Re: Eric crossing over From: "zootpatutie" 7. Re: Commuter Bikes From: "Dale Johnson" 8. Re: Commuter Bikes From: "Joe Smith" 9. Re: Re: Eric crossing over From: "Robert Morgan" 10. RE: Re: Eric crossing over NKLR From: "Kurt Simpson \(Editor Dual Sport News\)" 11. Commuter Bikes From: Christopher Forrest Elledge 12. RE: Commuter Bikes From: "Dreas Nielsen" 13. Re: Commuter Bikes From: Mark 14. Re: NKLR, Mardi Gras camping From: punkynsquirt@... 15. Nolan N100 Helmets From: LPetty4585@... 16. Off Idle From: "Steve Davis" 17. Santa Paula contact? NKLR From: stuart heaslet 18. Re: Commuter Bikes From: thesquasher@... 19. Re: Off Idle From: "Tom Bowman" 20. Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: thesquasher@... 21. Re: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: jirvine@... 22. Re: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: "Fred Hink" 23. RE: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: JIM JAMES 24. Commuter bike and tyres From: "James Chan" 25. Re: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results From: Tom Simpson ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:27:42 -0700 From: jirvine@... Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes At 08:38 PM 10/7/00 -0700, Patrick McKee wrote: >I am new to the list and thought I would throw out this question. > >If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following >choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja >500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very >interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. I guess it depend somewhat on the type and length of commute. A commuter should be economical, require little maintenance, and be rock solid in reliability. That would steer me away from a Harley/Buell. It also needs some power at a useable RPM, the KLR has enough. I don't like using a bike that I have a lot of money into if I'll be wracking up a lot of miles doing the commute. I've been doing 25 a day on the KLR at speeds from zero to 75. It works well. One day a week I use the XX just to feel real horsepower (-: JI NM ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:28:09 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: Thanks........ Jim: You work on a riverboat, any chance in southern Indiana? I live nearby in Dayton, OH and there are a few other on the list in the area. Mark McCoy ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:40:42 -0400 From: Mark McCoy Subject: Re: RE: NKLR...just bought a Connie... And if there are any Connie shoppers out there my riding buddy has one for sale. I forget the model year but it is an earlier one and I think he wants a little less than $4k. It is a nice bike but his wife has not been riding with him much and he needs to sell it to finance the purchase of an A14 from one of our friends who won one of the F650s at the BMWMOA rally this year. I have pictures of it on my other PC and can get details. The bike is in Dayton, OH. Mark McCoy Zachariah Mully wrote: > Well, I just bought a Connie about a month ago because I felt a need for a > bike to burn up serious highway miles. Mines an 1986, silver, 42K miles on > the odo, with enough body work damage to put a grin on a dealers face. I > bought it condition unknown for $750 and had to drive it home. Quickly > found out that the clutch needs new return springs, and that the fan relay > needs to be replaced. Had to drive it home in rush hour traffic, not FUN! > Makes my KLR feel like a ballet drancer, but I appreciate the 90 bhp on > the highway. Need to fix the luggague as well as the left hand bag > decided to make a jump for it at 65 mph on the 14 st bridge in > Wash,DC... THE scariest experience of my life retrieving my bag, walking > into traffic on 66E at 8 pm to pick up my bag. Hell my life's worth more > than $750! By it should be a fun winter project. I would love to hear who > else has gone the kawi route exclusively! > > Zack > SE DC > 1991 KLR650 "Buster" > 1986 Concours > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 wschase@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/7/00 11:30:17 PM Central Daylight Time, ric@... > > writes: > > > > Welcome to the order Kurt. As a brother we can offer you assistance with > > that nasty old Quota, I'll cc Brother Dan, between he and I we can shoulder > > the burden of it. How many ZG1K2LR650 fellers do we have out there anyway ? > > > > >> > > TWO best "value" and fun bikes anywhere! > > > > Semper Fi ! > > Steve > > Dallas, Texas > > A14 ZG 1000 > > A14 KLR 650 > > Buell Blast (hers) > > Buell Lightning (mine soon I hope!) > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:56:12 -0700 From: "Mark S. Hamlin" Subject: NKLR trip report - from Twin Falls (ID) If you need a crash spot in the south bay, give me a holler. Mark S. Hamlin Corralitos, Ca >>>>>I'll be in the desert for a while, most likely you won't hear from me for about a week. Then I'm heading towards California and San Francisco. I don't want to intrude for too long, so I keep my first report very short. I appologize for that. I wish you all the best. Cheers, istvan ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 08:58:28 -0700 From: "Steve Davis" Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes I've owned both; they are rock solid and some of the most maintenance free motorcycles I've ever owned. Still, a KLR or F650 is probably better in the urban environment; lighter with tighter turning radius. sd ---------- >From: jirvine@... >To: Patrick McKee , DSN_klr650@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Commuter Bikes >Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2000, 7:27 AM > > A commuter > should be economical, require little maintenance, and be rock solid in > reliability. That would steer me away from a Harley/Buell. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:11:31 -0700 From: "zootpatutie" Subject: Re: Eric crossing over To watch this life go by, we would become alone. To participate in it, we touch a world we could never otherwise know. Prayers to Eric's family and a toast to one who participated and touched my life in the process. Todd A9 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Palmer" To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Eric crossing over > cloudhid@... wrote: > > > Here's Eric's portrait showing us how he swims > > to the other side with his KLR. Goodbye friend. > > Well, I dunno what to say... none of us are getting any younger. > > Next time we're out beside the campfire on a fine summer night, spare > a thought for Eric. > > Mister_T > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 17:22:10 -0000 From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes I use my Y2K KLR to commute.. I commute 150 miles a day.. I have had my KLR since March and have put almost 17000 miles on it. I love it. Not only do I commute on it but I also get to take it off-road. (Thanks Cal-Posse I had a great time yesterday.) Best of both worlds Dale ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:46:59 -0700 From: "Joe Smith" Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes > >If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following > >choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja > >500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very > >interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. Theres a lot of variables in what people call a commute but assuming about twenty miles each way in all weather except snow I think I would say the Harley 883. Why? 1. HD myth to the contrary (mostly perpetuated by people who have never owned one) I have found the ones I owned to be about as reliable as anything else. 2. The Sportster with belt drive, hydraulic valves, maintenance free battery is low maintenance and what it does need is either easily done at home or cheap to have done. 3. A wide range of accessory wind screens as well as luggage racks and saddle bags abound for the 883. 4. Sportsters get excellent fuel economy, mine usually ran between 50 and 60 mpg. 5. Finally, the biggest single reason is resale value. Depreciation is a huge cost of operating motorcycles and Sportsters depreciate less than anything else you mentioned. This, more than any other factor, would sway the decision to the Sportster. Now of course, if some of the machines could be purchased in perfect condition used, for a substantial reduction in price, this could help offset the depreciation. The other bikes you mention would probably be satisfactory. I am not especially impressed with the Blast and don't believe it would sell well. The Kawasaki W650 would probably be very good except that there is not much aftermarket around it yet and unless you get one highly disounted, $6495 is about $1500 too much for it, especially when Suzuki sells their awesome SV650 for $5395. The Ninja 500 is a nice bike if you have good parking conditions, I would not like to think about the expensive fairing damage if it gets knocked over while parked on the street. I want to like the new Bonneville but truthfully, I'm not sure Kawasaki didn't out English the English with their W650, the styling just isn't quite right. Another fine commuter, if you can find one, is the Honda PC800. I can't stand the idea of owning it personally but I do admit to its practicality in light of the protection the fairing and windscreen offers and the lockable luggage space, its just not very pretty to me. Joe S 96 KLR650 96 GL1500SE 99 DR350SE 99 900 Monster Joe S 96 KLR650 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:54:46 -0700 From: "Robert Morgan" Subject: Re: Re: Eric crossing over Dear Beth I am deeply saddened by your loss. Eric was very well liked on the list. We have a very strong sense of community here and we all will miss him very much. Eric's participation enriched us all. I had conversed with him many times, even argued and teased him on occasion. He had spunk , a very energetic attitude, and a great sense of humor, I admire that. Once, when we were arguing about something as mundane as how much oil to put in our motorcycles he told me which bar I could meet him at to discuss it further! I never got the chance to have that drink. I never got the chance to ride with him either. I am sure we'll hook up on the other side someday. If there is anything that I, or anyone else here on our list for that matter, can do to ease your burden please let us know. Peace be with you as our thoughts are. Robert Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Eric crossing over > Hello. > > I am Eric's sister Beth. I don't know how many of you knew my brother, or how well. Since I'm writing to a bunch of people I don't know, I can only guess. But whether you liked him, agreed with him, or not, and although it may have seemingly come out differently, Eric's strongest values were honesty, loyalty to friends and family, and integrity. I hope you all knew this about my brother. He loved to ride. It was one of the best things in his life to be on a bike. I hope you all know that too. > > Again, since I don't know any of you or how well you know my brother, I will just say thak you to his friends out there. Should anyone want Funeral information, you can e-mail me at: Further2be@... > > > Should anyone want to make any donations, please send them in memory of Eric to: > > Terry Barnard AMA Billboard Fund > 13515 Yarmouth Dr. > Pickerington, OH 43147 > > The National Motorcycle Safety Fund > 2 Jenner St. > Irvine, CA 92618 > > Juvenile Diabetes Foundation > 120 Wall Street > 19th Floor > New York, NY 10005 > Attention: Public Information Group > > > Thank you. > Beth Jasniewicz > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:41:16 -0600 From: "Kurt Simpson \(Editor Dual Sport News\)" Subject: RE: Re: Eric crossing over NKLR > I am deeply saddened by your loss. Eric was very well liked on the > list. Thanks Morgan, beautifully written... Kurt ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Forrest Elledge Subject: Commuter Bikes ===Orig Mess=== From: Patrick McKee If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja 500. ===End Mess=== I will only comment [here] on what I know; not rumors and the like: Have you seen / ridden the Blast? I would not recommend it unless you are very small in frame and weight. It is a very small, weak bike. Every model of every Buell ever produced has been recalled for something or other; and the somethings are usually for major component / functions. I owned a Ninja 500 before they had those Ninja stickers. They were and still are EX500s. The EX shares pretty much nothing in common mechanically with the bigger Ninjas. I thought it made a fine commuter with [like the others you mention] not a whole lot of weather protection. EXs are easy to work on, and Kaw has been cranking them out for years, so parts and reliability are proven. The intended seating position is relativly comfortable; however my 6'4" frame was way too leggy for the bike. Good luck; hope this helps. Chris Elledge Roanoke VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:52:50 -0700 From: "Dreas Nielsen" Subject: RE: Commuter Bikes > If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following > choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja > 500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very > interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. > > Seems like the others mentioned might be better at freeeway > speeds but correct me if I am wrong. >> > Patrick McKee I commute on the KLR, a route that includes about 15 miles of highway at 65-80 mph (true). I have never ridden any of your other candidates, but can tell you that the KLR is happy to run at those speeds for hours on end. Because of its windage and light weight, however, the KLR is best kept out of the wake of big trucks when at speed on the highway. I think a Triumph Tiger might actually be a better commuter bike for highway running, because it is heavier and has a lot more power, but at twice the price it is nothing like twice the bike. And in town or the twisties, it's greater weight and lower cornering clearance would reduce the fun factor. Dreas ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:28:00 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes At 8:38 PM -0700 10/7/00, Patrick McKee wrote: >I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 What's the point? $6500 for a new old-tech bike is nuts. If you want a bike like that, you'd be better off getting a pristine '77 KZ650 for $1500 and use the cash you saved for a new KLR650. Mark B2 A2 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:52:24 EDT From: punkynsquirt@... Subject: Re: NKLR, Mardi Gras camping Hi John: I hope we can all get together in N'Orleans for The Zeus Parade and Mardi Gras. The more the merrier. I hope I have my KLR by then, but that is not a certainty yet. If I have the bike by then it would be a great opportunity to do Mardi Gras and shake out the wrinkles in my preparations for the Americas Motopaseo. The departure date is set for May 1, 2001. For one thing I probably have too much stuff. My plans are pretty ambitious for someone who hasn't ridden a bike in more than 20 years. Hope to see y'all in N'Orleans. Lew Waterman Punky & Lew's Americas Motopaseo Greenacres, Florida, USA ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:41:14 EDT From: LPetty4585@... Subject: Nolan N100 Helmets There is a distributor closeout on ebay of Nolan N100 Helmets various colors and sizes $109-119, picked up a silver trend for $109 and extra shields for $15 LArry ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 16:20:21 -0700 From: "Steve Davis" Subject: Off Idle I'm going nuts trying to cure this off-idle problem on my 98 KLR. Here's the symptom: the transition from a closed throttle position to a slightly open throttle (say 1/8 throttle) is very abrupt. Like turning a switch on and off. This makes it quite tricky to use engine braking descending a hill as the bike wants to lurch forward when I re-apply the throttle. Likewise, rolling the throttle completely off is like hitting the kill switch. The bike has stock exhaust with K&N. Dynojet needle on the third clip. Mixture screw out 2 1/2 turns. I've gone all the way down on the clip and have set the mixture screw as much as 3 turns out (maximum recommended by Dynojet) and the symtom remains. The bike otherwise pulls strong as the throttle is opened up. Any suggestions or should I just try and live with this? steve ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:52:56 -0400 From: stuart heaslet Subject: Santa Paula contact? NKLR Which one of you guys is based at Santa Paula Airport? Thanks. Stuart A12 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:12:27 -0000 From: thesquasher@... Subject: Re: Commuter Bikes If you can get one , the best bang for the buck commuter bike would be the Suzuki SV650. You may also want to look at the Suzuki GS500 or the Kawasaki 750 naked strret bike. I like the KLR but think from your four choices below the Ninja 500 would be a good choice (commuter only). The Harley 883 cost too much and vibrates more than the KLR. Both the KLR and Buell blast are single cylinder thumpers. But I think the Buell is only 500cc and costs more $$$. I think the W650 is too much $$$ for what you get. To me the KLR sits up too high to really zip through traffic (I know alot of people are going to disagree with that). I don't know anything about the Triumph. --- In DSN_klr650@egroups.com, Patrick McKee wrote: > I am new to the list and thought I would throw out this question. > > If you were going to choose a (mostly) commuter bike from the following > choices what would it be? A KLR 650, Buell Blast, Harley 883 or a Ninja > 500. I am also looking at the new Kawasaki "retro" W650 and am very > interested in the "soon to be released" Triumph Bonneville. > > > > Thanx in advance, > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:30:00 -0400 From: "Tom Bowman" Subject: Re: Off Idle Steve writes: > I'm going nuts trying to cure this off-idle problem on my 98 KLR. Here's the > symptom: the transition from a closed throttle position to a slightly open > throttle (say 1/8 throttle) is very abrupt. Like turning a switch on and > off. This makes it quite tricky to use engine braking descending a hill as > the bike wants to lurch forward when I re-apply the throttle. Likewise, > rolling the throttle completely off is like hitting the kill switch. > > The bike has stock exhaust with K&N. Dynojet needle on the third clip. > Mixture screw out 2 1/2 turns. I've gone all the way down on the clip and > have set the mixture screw as much as 3 turns out (maximum recommended by > Dynojet) and the symtom remains. The bike otherwise pulls strong as the > throttle is opened up. > > Any suggestions or should I just try and live with this? A guess would be that your pilot mixture is too rich. Try setting the idle mixture screw at 1.5 turns out and see if it's better: if so you can go down as low as the stock setting of 3/4 and see whether it gets better still. A few more data points would be helpful: is your airbox stock or modified? Did this problem suddenly appear or come on gradually? Did it by any chance coincide with the re-jetting? Does your bike require the "Start" (fuel enrichener) lever open to fire from cold? or does it start fine with the lever closed? Has your float level ever been checked? FWIW, excess chain slack will give a sensation something like this - a "lag" between throttle open and response, accompanied by a lurch. Don't bother asking me how I know..... Tom Bowman Atlanta A14 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:36:41 -0000 From: thesquasher@... Subject: Re: Scottoiler Survey Results I don't own a scottoiler but I looked into it for my bike. From reading results from other users on different websites I chose not to get one. The reason - The scottoiler is a manual luber. You have to turn it on and off by hand before and after use. If you forget to turn it off after your done riding you will come back to a puddle of oil on the ground the next day(s). If you forget to turn it on before you start riding, it does no good. Other people said the scootoiler lets oil streak/spray on thier clothing(legs) from the oil flying off the chain. Also there is a problem in adjusting the flow just right. It seems to be either too much or none at all. Personally I dont see a need for it. If you can remember to turn it on before riding then you can remember to spray some lube on the chain also. If you use your KLR in a dusty enviroment the lube from the oiler/chain will mix with the dirt/dust and create a liquid sandpaper type sluge that will wear your chain down anyway. """This is only my opinion""" --- In DSN_klr650@egroups.com, Paul Kneisl wrote: > Recently I asked the list to comment about their experiences with the > Scottoiler. If you have any contrary opinion, > nows the time to speak up before this subject is archieved for eons to come! > > Paul Kneisl > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:4 Bowman Kelley C2 Creative Inc. 646.473.3532 877.523.8740 (pager) 917.209.1262 (cell)

[Steven van Twuyver]

Started a new job this week. It will be a tough ramp up for me having to prove my self all over after being at the same company for 15 years. Unheard of in the high-tech industry. Anyway, haven't ridden my KLR much or for that matter any other bike in the fleet since I came back from Alaska. I finally got around to checking the KLR fan. I had to disconnect it in Alaska because it appeared to have been burned. My radiator clogged several times and I thought the calcium chloride covered dirt roads fried it. . It was blowing 20 amp fuses and I rode home 2500 miles without it being connected. I thought I was in for a $300 fan replacement. Not that I would have parted with that much cash without trying to adapt a junkyard car fan. But low and behold, it works when I bench test it stand-alone. Don't know if it got wet or if something is still lurking. -svt-