fs: klr650 and 2 dirt bikes

[Shepard,Brian]

You certainly have a valid point. I merely wanted to say that spam really doesn't bother me & it's easy to deal with at the user's desktop. It does sound a little silly, but it really is a First Amendment issue that has recently been playing out in the U.S. Judicial System. Sure, at the local list level where we all agree to certain rules; it doesn't hold. But when you look at the entire spam issue & who deals with it and how, it certainly is a First Amendment issue. Should it be blocked & how should it be blocked? Do you create organizations whose sole purpose is to block spam and make a list of all offenders and publish that list? And does it stop with spam? Do we create Internet spam police? Enough, sorry, getting carried away again. It's because I haven't ridden my A13 in almost two weeks. It's been raining too much. F&*k spam. I've got to go out and ride. -Brian Shepard A13 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Anderson To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com Sent: 8/16/00 7:14 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: spam is litter nklr, was $250 Line Of Credit Brian, I for one, do NOT want my email to become as USELESS as my front mailbox. I do NOT want any UNSOLICITED email, faxes, telephone calls, or snail mail for that matter. It is NOT a first amendment issue. Restricting content of a web site or newspaper may be, but me restricting access to MY ears or eyes (not YOURS) is my RIGHT. If I have to weed through more junk than content, it becomes a waste of my time and money. I too have been in this business forever, and I get extremely frustrated by unsolicited anything whether it is advertising, a survey, or simply the weather. ------------------ If spammers have their way, most of the messages will be spam. ------------------ I had to explain to my local newspaper company some of this. They kept delivering a "Wednesday special" that I had in the past let them know over and over I didn't want. It's like this: I don't read it, but I am still responsible for throwing it away, I will get a nasty-gram from the city if I let them pile up. From my perspective then, they are littering in my yard, hardly a first amendment protection issue. Spam is no different from my perspective. Spammers are littering my email server and clients, and I have to spend MY time deleting them, and MY money to have adequate resources in my systems to get the items I want in addition to their junk. I will fight it every step. I finally got the newspaper to stop, by letting them know that if I got one more piece of their trash in my yard, I was going to take some nasty, smelly garbage that I produced, and drop it in their lobby. I should be able to this under first amendment if they can leave their trash in my yard. I wish I could do this to spammers, even if figuratively, but their email return addresses are seldom ever real, a good indication of their intent. Typical spammers steal an AOL logon, get a hotmail address, and spam away. If the first amendment is supposed to protect people in allowing them to abuse MY resources that I pay for, than it is high time to rewrite or repeal that amendment. Maybe we need to set up email for people like yourself that encourage spam. I don t want it, and I can t see what possible benefit to me OR society there is by having to deal with it. Steve (anti spam) Anderson

--- In DSN_klr650@egroups.com, "Shepard,Brian" wrote: > Please don't take this the wrong way. I have been a Systems > Programmer/Administrator for almost 20 years and spam is nothing new. Its > been going on way before the Internet as we know it now. I used to deal with > it a lot way back in the Eighties (remember BitNet anyone?). What puzzles me > is how enraged people get about spam now. Sometimes I wonder if people get > angry because it's fashionable. Somebody sees what they think is a computer > pro getting angry about spam so they get angry when they're really not > angry. They want people to think they're cool because they get angry about > spam. There is this little known secret in the IT community. Its called > DELETE. Its really cool. You just delete a piece of mail you don't want to > read. > > I'm more concerned about people "protecting me" from spam than people > spamming me. Think about it. This is a First Amendment issue. I'd rather > choose for myself weather or not I want to read a piece of mail. Now I know > that the intentions of the list management is sincere and I'm not asking you > to NOT block spam. I just think people need to think more about the issues. > Its very simple to delete. You can't delete something that's not there. > FREEDOM! > > -Brian Shepard > A13 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Hink [mailto:moabmc@l...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:43 PM > To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] $250 Line Of Credit > > > Sick 'em ARNE!! > > Maybe it might be a good time to change your subscription options to have > you approve new subscribers before they can post to our list. > > Fred (I like Spam for lunch) > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[Jim Youngs]

These bikes are located near Binghamton NY USA pictures are at: http://home.stny.rr.com/jimy/bikes.html 1989 Kawasaki KLR650 - 15k miles, avon gripsters, supertrapp exhaust, Tim Bernard side racks for saddlebags, acerbis low front fender, progressive fork springs, Rifle (I think) tall windshield (not currently installed). I have owned this since new and it was maintained well, never abused, and rarely off road. Never had daily use - mostly for exploring back roads on weekends and a trip or two most summers. Rode it from NY to VA and back this Spring and had no problems other than the shift lever finally breaking at the weld like they all eventually do. It has all the orginal parts (exhaust, fender, etc), I removed most of the ugly green stickers years ago. I also have a large fiberglass trunk painted white to match. asking $2100 1980 Yamaha TT250 - I have owned this since 1980. It was used quite a bit for the first 3 years but after I started college it has seen little use. It is in good shape and although it has not been run in several years it is ready to go with new sprockets, brake shoes, etc. It has the rare factory accessory lighting and speedo kit. Also a performance megaphone exhaust - too loud! $500 1983? Beta TR33 250cc trials bike. I have owned this for about five years. It is in good shape and runs well. I seem to ride it around the yard about twice a year and it usually starts on the first kick even after sitting. New parts include rear fender, clutch plates, and near perfect michelin radial competition trials tires. Also comes with an extra engine/carb. $500 email jimy22@... or call Jim at 607-757-9340