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[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 10:36 AM -0700 12/11/07, Peter Six wrote:

>Good idea, if science and the scientific method are bullshit and worthless >than I d sure like to hear some suggestions what we can replace it with.

Integrity. This will be accomplished by removing the bull$hit (political agendas) and putting the Science back into the scientific method. Mark

[jt5231@hotmail.com]

Who's going to argue with integrity? But what we need to do is remove the bull$hit financial/corporate and religious agendas; more than anything else, these are the corrupting influences in the pursuit of science. JT To: pecos1046@... CC: eric@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: tengai650@... Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:08:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy At 10:36 AM -0700 12/11/07, Peter Six wrote:

>Good idea, if science and the scientific method are bullshit and worthless >than I d sure like to hear some suggestions what we can replace it with.

Integrity. This will be accomplished by removing the bull$hit (political agendas) and putting the Science back into the scientific method. Mark _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Russell Scott]

Lots of opinions, but in the end it will all boil to is it true or not. And either there is a God who can rightly judge everything in perfect context, or it will be a never-ending controversy about what is true and what is not. But it does make life interesting contemplating all these things. That's my last comment on this thread. And I still like everybody whether they agree with me or not. We do have the thrill and joy of riding a motorcycle in a free country as our common denominator, and I am sure we want what is best for it and our families future. R -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jt5231@... Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:24 PM To: Tengai Mark Van Horn; Peter Six Cc: E.L. Green; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy Who's going to argue with integrity? But what we need to do is remove the bull$hit financial/corporate and religious agendas; more than anything else, these are the corrupting influences in the pursuit of science. JT To: pecos1046@... CC: eric@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: tengai650@... Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:08:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and energy At 10:36 AM -0700 12/11/07, Peter Six wrote:

>Good idea, if science and the scientific method are bullshit and

worthless

>than I d sure like to hear some suggestions what we can replace it with.

Integrity. This will be accomplished by removing the bull$hit (political agendas) and putting the Science back into the scientific method. Mark __________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ronald Criswell]

Ahh ......yes JT, I see the light, those mean old business / financial people that keep people working for pocket change and the religious institutions that help give people morals, values and spiritual direction. A good dictatorial government could solve all our ills. Thanks for clearing my head. Criswell

On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:24 PM, wrote: > > > Who's going to argue with integrity? But what we need to do is > remove the bull$hit financial/corporate and religious agendas; more > than anything else, these are the corrupting influences in the > pursuit of science. > > JT > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Peter Six]

Hi Mark: Can I than assume that you in general don't have a problem with a process called "The Scientific Method", but rather that you have issues with specific instances where the process is bastardized to rig the result for self serving purposes. I don't think there are many reasonable people that will disagree with you on that. Peter

On 12/11/07 4:08 PM, "Tengai Mark Van Horn" wrote: > At 10:36 AM -0700 12/11/07, Peter Six wrote: >> Good idea, if science and the scientific method are bullshit and worthless >> than I d sure like to hear some suggestions what we can replace it with. > > Integrity. > This will be accomplished by removing the > bull$hit (political agendas) and putting the > Science back into the scientific method. > > Mark

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Peter, You are correct. EL Green twisted my comments. Mark At 6:03 PM -0700 12/11/07, Peter Six wrote:

>Hi Mark: > >Can I than assume that you in general don't have a problem with a process >called "The Scientific Method", but rather that you have issues with >specific instances where the process is bastardized to rig the result for >self serving purposes. I don't think there are many reasonable people that >will disagree with you on that. > >Peter > >On 12/11/07 4:08 PM, "Tengai Mark Van Horn" wrote: > >> At 10:36 AM -0700 12/11/07, Peter Six wrote: >>> Good idea, if science and the scientific method are bullshit and worthless >>> than I d sure like to hear some suggestions what we can replace it with. >> >> Integrity. >> This will be accomplished by removing the >> bull$hit (political agendas) and putting the >> Science back into the scientific method. >> >> Mark

[Donald]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" wrote: > > > > I don't know anything about the Heartland Institute. All I know

is all

> > these genius scientists who can tells what happened fifty million

years ago,

> > don't ever tell us a thing about the greatest climate event in recent > > history, that happened 4000 years ago, the worldwide flood. And

many of

> > them don't want to know, because then its makes their god likes egos > > subjected to a higher authority, who already has the answers to

all their

> > questions about how EVERYTHING works, because He created it all. > > > > R > > > > Bullsh*t. >

I'm sorry, I've been a long time lurker here but I've never posted. I do have to add something (being a devout Christian myself): God did create the human intellect and He did give us one thing animals don't have: the ability to reason through even the most absurd things and make it work (i.e. the helicopter, the motorcycle, etc etc ad nauseum). Personally, in my opinion, I think God led us into the theories of global warming and etc to convince all of humanity of the damage it has *really* done to the environment. I'm talking real-life issues, like the pollution of the rivers and oceans; the effect dumping motor oil on the ground has; what happens when wildlife comes in contact with ethylene glycol; I could go on and on. In other words, maybe the whole thing about global warming is less about how "people have instilled cosmic, catastrophic climate change" in the world's weather patterns and more about finding a more ecologically sound means of doing the same thing we do now: commute to and from work, fly across the world, move massive amounts of goods, and etc. Just my $.02.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> > At 11:13 PM +0000 12/10/07, E.L. Green wrote: > >..... Science is about things that can be directly observed and > >tested, not about faith. > > Global Warming is a religion, and Al Gore is their Messiah. > However, some haven't taken the bait, including Weather Channel > founder John Coleman who says that global warming is a hoax and a > scam. > Science and the scientific method are bullshit and have been for a > looooooong time. Science today is *generally* all about pushing

your

> agenda and proving your hypothesis to be correct by massaging the > data to fit it, no matter how wrong it is. I've seen it first hand

in

> my experiences (although the medical-related ones had more

integrity)

> in space research, immunology, interventional radiology, > bioengineering, and deep-sea ecology. > > Mark >

Mark, Great post (at least 99.9997% of it; smile.) Q. How do you advise the average Joe to answer/filter through the onslaught of true, partial true, and blatant false information? I cringe when you added the immunology part--which was part the national news this week concerning the levels of mercury in immunizations. So, what are you to do if 'believe' some of the immunology is hocus-pocus, and the 'local-school' says you have to have immunizations w-y-z; your kid does not go to school if you refuse. The alternate is a private school (that is likely to have the same medical values as the state) or home school your child...Which of course, gives rise to a class in motorcycle repair, etc. Case in point to reinforce your premise: When I was in college, a specific flu vaccination (1974/5) swine or chicken derivative was forced upon all military members to include NROTC students if you were taking their stipend. The problem was it was not well tested (Chicken Little syndrome: the sky is falling! Get vaccinated! Before you all die in a worldwide epidemic-sigh. ), And many got sick, some very sick, and there were folks that died-- attributed to the vaccine. I was not taking their money, I did not get sick. Thankfully. Back to the KLR content; Some vaccines are proven, some motorcycle 'must-doo-s' are necessary, some are not. If you bike has not been vaccinated for the doohickey/spring, you are rolling the dice. shrug. For me, it was worth the trouble to do a second dohickey upgrade. (I helped, cough-- Thanks Jeff Saline.) Amazing how much smoother the bike was after changing the wound spring for the torsion spring addition to the original Eagle Mike upgrade. revmaaatin.

[Kerry Stottlemyer]

> I'm sorry, I've been a long time lurker here but I've never posted.

I

> do have to add something (being a devout Christian myself): God did > create the human intellect and He did give us one thing animals

don't

> have: the ability to reason through even the most absurd things and > make it work (i.e. the helicopter, the motorcycle, etc etc ad > nauseum). Personally, in my opinion, I think God led us into the > theories of global warming and etc to convince all of humanity of

the

> damage it has *really* done to the environment. I'm talking real-

life

> issues, like the pollution of the rivers and oceans; the effect > dumping motor oil on the ground has; what happens when wildlife

comes

> in contact with ethylene glycol; I could go on and on. In other

words,

> maybe the whole thing about global warming is less about how "people > have instilled cosmic, catastrophic climate change" in the world's > weather patterns and more about finding a more ecologically sound > means of doing the same thing we do now: commute to and from work,

fly

> across the world, move massive amounts of goods, and etc. > > Just my $.02. >

How about how religion has polluted the minds of the people of the world. MY OPINION is religion was created to controll to population of a given people. The old fear of god thing. Believe what you want too. that's up to you. but religion has been a major factor in all of the wars in history, Just do some research. But here is something to think about. Don't you think you are not giving your god proper credit when you say he (it) created the earth and the people on it. You realy cut the guy short if you think he is incapable of of starting off small and letting it evolve. That wouyld take more smarts then someone with a cookie cutter. "Bamb!! there's Adam and Bamb!! there's Eve and Bamb there's lilith (Opps can write about that she was thrown out of the bible Sorry) Religion itself has evolved yet most religious people can't accept the posibility that evolution could be true. there's a double standard if there ever was one. Yeah I know "I'm gonna rot in hell" Umm no not if I don't believe in it. Kerry

[Robert Waters]

Hello Kerry, This is definitely off tipic, but evidently allowed if NKLR is used in the subject. I just could not let what you say go without respoinding. You wrote:

> How about how religion has polluted the minds of the people of the

world. MY OPINION is religion was created to controll to population of a given people. The old fear of god thing. Believe what you want too. that's up to you. but religion has been a major factor in all of the wars in history, Just do some research. > Much of what you say above is true, but you have to remember that there is false religion and true religion. It is up to every individual to learn the truth. It is my opinion that the true religion is Christianity. Christianity is not responsible for carnal wars. However, Christians are in a war but the battles are for the minds of people to bring them to God through Jesus. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence that proves the Bible, which reveals God, is true and accurate, at least to the extent that it is translated properly. And there are many free resources on the Net that are available. Robert Waters TotalHealth.bz Focus On Truth --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]