mariola in hospital

[Harry Thames]

> I would say your cops need more range time. >

There's a huge difference between being a bullseye shooter (qualifying range) and being a competent marksman under extreme pressure. Very few civilian LEO's have the opportunity to fire on a Hogan's Alley type range. The vast majority of officers fire poor scores on the range. Those who are good with firearms shoot everyday in all weather and all hours. There's a few lucky shots and a little divine intervention, other than that you'd better be ready when the situation presents itself. And use enough gun. Harry SC

[Lew Waterman]

Hi Windflower: "Obsessions Die Hard," remember the book? Glenn Hegstad said, "This tour is an exercise in determination." Your spirit personifies the feelings of long distance motorcycle riders -- no matter their gender. I can t tell you how sorry I was to hear of your accident and injuries. I cried for 2 hours. Even now my eyes are wet recalling it. I am gratified almost as much as you and Kris, that you got prompt help from good friends, that your injuries weren t worse and you are alive and will get well. I m sorry I wasn t their in your time of need as you were for me in Colombia and Quito. We all know that some things are not within our abilities to control -- like what other people do with their vehicles. I have had a video run through my mind countless times imagining the instant before you impacted the car. I imagined you with your Chicago/Polish accent saying, not "Oh shit," but "You mudderfukker." We will be back in the states in April. If it is possible, we will try to get to Moab, Utah in June for the rally and to see you. Get well soon, amiga. Later. Love, Punky, Lew & Achi 2 Americas Motopaseo Porto Alegre, Brazil

>From: "Mariola Cichon" >To: punkynlew@... >Subject: Re: Mariola in hospital >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:51:59 -0600 >

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[Marc Illsley Clarke, W2MIC]

Harry, Ooooh, nice troll. OK, I'll bite. Where do you get your data about looking bad in court if you have to shoot an attacker more than three times? Citations, please. What handgun cartridge stops the attack in one shot every time, please? Citations, please. Yes, I own and have read Sanow and Marshall's books on so-called one-shot stops. Yes, I have read the International Wound Ballistics Association's journals. Every book I have read on self-defense using a firearm (Ayoob, Taylor, Farnam, etc.) says to keep shooting the attacker as rapidly as possible until he/she stops attacking (and no more). Every course I have taken says the same. Some advise two rounds to the torso followed by one to the cranium, others advise to keep shooting at the center of mass. Even Federal .45 ACP Hydra-Shoks do not have a 100% first round stopping record. Nothing fired from an handgun does, so far as I know. Do you? I am aware of a documented case where cops had to shoot a perp doped up on Angel Dust (PCP) 33 times to bring him down. -- Marc, KLR650 A12 P.S.: Give me an oil thread any time. Anybody else read MCN's latest test? Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:36:02 -0500 From: Harry Thames Subject: Re: Re: NKLR Stirring the fire NKLR You amateurs should use a gun that will finish the fight with one shot. You look very bad in court if you shoot the perp more than three times. -- Harry, SC