[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> Dear Charles Hill, > Install a relay to handle the ( Current) heavy load, and > use the same switch to control the relay. It is much easier. > > Madhu > > -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag > von Charles Hill > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2005 06:53 > > George, > In case you hadn't noticed, EXUs don't have fog lights. (chuckle) Not > only do you need to find a light, but you need to figure out where to > put the switch. And enough wattage to make a difference would severely > sap the electrics. > > Forget it. Let the jerks go and enjoy your life. > > Regards, > Charles Hill > >
Suspension
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Re: AW: [mg-tabc] Suspension
Madhu,
You missed the point. No matter how you wire it, a high-power light is going to seriously tax the TC's electrical system.
I'm not planning on following George's original idea anyway. Being a small person, there is a very big chance that I could irritate someone larger than me which could result in severe physical consequences to me.
Charles Hill
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Re: AW: [mg-tabc] Suspension
Hello Madhu,
Yes, they crop up at swap-meets (autojumbles) all the time!
Regards, David Lodge
----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE -----
From: "Paroor" Paroor@t-online.de>
To: "David Lodge"
archie_ponsonby@post.cz>,mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW:
[mg-tabc] Suspension
Date: 6.5.2005 - 10:07:35
-- Zkou ejte vysokorychlostn nonstop internet VOLN ADSL 14 dn ZDARMA! Ji d le nev hejte! Prvn ch 500 z kazn k nav c z sk tri ko. V ce informac na http://adsl.volny.cz/adsl-na-zkousku/> Hi David Lodge, > Another way is to replace the normal H4 55/60 W > bulbs against the 100 W bulbs in any light. It is not > legal to use these > bulbs. They look exactly like the normal H4 bulbs. > These bulbs are easily > available every where for almost the same price. But > they consume 8 A to 9 A > instead of 5A . So you need a thicker conductor ( use 2 > wires parallel ) and > switch/relay to handle this power. It is quite possible > that the glasses get > heated and may brake in warmer temperature while > stationery. > > Who can recall those search lights on 1951 Plymouth or > Desoto with the > control grip inside the cabin near to the steering ? > Madhu > > > -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von > David Lodge > Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Mai 2005 05:52 > > Hello George, Ian, > > Do either of you remember those cream plastic Hella > spotlights - > hugely popular with the rally crowd in the '60's - > that adhered > by suction to the inside of the windscreen, and could > be > swivelled to virtually any angle? I was in digs in a > pub run by > a Sunbeam Alpine driving big-head who bought one just > so he could > "remind" oncoming drivers to dip their main-beams > (high-beams)! > There's your answer! I've seen them at Beaulieu! > > Regards, David Lodge > > >
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Re: Suspension
Why not just pull over and let them go past, or is that to simple a solution?
Maurice Paton
TC9357
-----Original Message-----
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ian thomson
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2005 9:13 p.m.
To: David Lodge; george.arber@btinternet.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension
Great idea George ...but the problem these days are
idiots who drive behind you with a million candlepower
at our eyelevel on those trucks and busses which those
with more money than sense drive nowadays. Even
mounting such a device in the rear screen would
probably enrage them enough to drive you off the road.
Ian Thomson.
---
--- David Lodge archie_ponsonby@post.cz> wrote:
___________________________________________________________> Hello George, Ian, > > Do either of you remember those cream plastic Hella > spotlights - > hugely popular with the rally crowd in the '60's - > that adhered > by suction to the inside of the windscreen, and > could be > swivelled to virtually any angle? I was in digs in > a pub run by > a Sunbeam Alpine driving big-head who bought one > just so he could > "remind" oncoming drivers to dip their main-beams > (high-beams)! > There's your answer! I've seen them at Beaulieu! > > Regards, David Lodge > > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > From: "ian thomson" i.thomson@talk21.com> > To: "george arber" > george.arber@btinternet.com>,"mg-tabc" > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] > Suspension > Date: 5.5.2005 - 11:59:10 > > > I envey you the trip round Ireland but I think the > > horn/dipswitch problem is not just an EXU one. Is > the > > switch in a different position on EXUs? I find > that > > if cornering hard enough to need to hang on the > > Brooklands wheel that it can flex just enough to > take > > the skin off my knuckles on the horn push or break > a > > nail. As for the lights problem I just don't > drive at > > night1 > > > > Ian Thomson > > > > > > --- george arber george.arber@btinternet.com> > wrote: > > > Once again we have returned from a tour in our > TC in > > > and around the Emerald Isle and if any of you > really > > > and I mean really want to test the suspension > out > > > whilst at the same time loosening the fillings > in > > > your teeth, try a trip to Eire ! Great place , > great > > > people but boy oh boy -those roads ! > > > We completed a short trip of about 1300 miles > with > > > some horrendous weather thrown in and the TC > never > > > missed a beat.Hood down most of the time - got > wet > > > but had fun. > > > For those of you with knowledge of EXU's, can > > > anybody explain to me why Abingdon chose to > > > rearrange the instrument panel compared to the > > > standard TC's ? Whilst I am familiar with the > > > rationale of the various other detail changes to > > > suit the American market, I cannot for the life > of > > > me understand why they chose to position the > horn > > > and dipswitch immediately under the wheel rim. > Not > > > only does one catch the horn too easily on the > turn > > > but at night flicking the dip switch become a > bit of > > > a lottery. On the way home in foul weather I > lost > > > many a battle with oncoming cars who nearly > burned > > > me off the road with their xenon bulbed > > > searchlights. Whilst our car is a standard EXU, > I am > > > searching the internet for the design of a death > ray > > > to replace the fog light - I'll show the > blighters ! > > > > > > George....TC EXU 7548 Derbyshire England > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Suspension
Far too simple Maurice...where`s the fun in that......Tweed TC 2259
Maurice Paton maurice.paton@wam.co.nz> wrote:Why not just pull over and let them go past, or is that to simple a solution?
Maurice Paton
TC9357
-----Original Message-----
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ian thomson
Sent: Friday, 6 May 2005 9:13 p.m.
To: David Lodge; george.arber@btinternet.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension
Great idea George ...but the problem these days are
idiots who drive behind you with a million candlepower
at our eyelevel on those trucks and busses which those
with more money than sense drive nowadays. Even
mounting such a device in the rear screen would
probably enrage them enough to drive you off the road.
Ian Thomson.
---
--- David Lodge wrote:
___________________________________________________________> Hello George, Ian, > > Do either of you remember those cream plastic Hella > spotlights - > hugely popular with the rally crowd in the '60's - > that adhered > by suction to the inside of the windscreen, and > could be > swivelled to virtually any angle? I was in digs in > a pub run by > a Sunbeam Alpine driving big-head who bought one > just so he could > "remind" oncoming drivers to dip their main-beams > (high-beams)! > There's your answer! I've seen them at Beaulieu! > > Regards, David Lodge > > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > From: "ian thomson" > To: "george arber" > ,"mg-tabc" > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] > Suspension > Date: 5.5.2005 - 11:59:10 > > > I envey you the trip round Ireland but I think the > > horn/dipswitch problem is not just an EXU one. Is > the > > switch in a different position on EXUs? I find > that > > if cornering hard enough to need to hang on the > > Brooklands wheel that it can flex just enough to > take > > the skin off my knuckles on the horn push or break > a > > nail. As for the lights problem I just don't > drive at > > night1 > > > > Ian Thomson > > > > > > --- george arber > wrote: > > > Once again we have returned from a tour in our > TC in > > > and around the Emerald Isle and if any of you > really > > > and I mean really want to test the suspension > out > > > whilst at the same time loosening the fillings > in > > > your teeth, try a trip to Eire ! Great place , > great > > > people but boy oh boy -those roads ! > > > We completed a short trip of about 1300 miles > with > > > some horrendous weather thrown in and the TC > never > > > missed a beat.Hood down most of the time - got > wet > > > but had fun. > > > For those of you with knowledge of EXU's, can > > > anybody explain to me why Abingdon chose to > > > rearrange the instrument panel compared to the > > > standard TC's ? Whilst I am familiar with the > > > rationale of the various other detail changes to > > > suit the American market, I cannot for the life > of > > > me understand why they chose to position the > horn > > > and dipswitch immediately under the wheel rim. > Not > > > only does one catch the horn too easily on the > turn > > > but at night flicking the dip switch become a > bit of > > > a lottery. On the way home in foul weather I > lost > > > many a battle with oncoming cars who nearly > burned > > > me off the road with their xenon bulbed > > > searchlights. Whilst our car is a standard EXU, > I am > > > searching the internet for the design of a death > ray > > > to replace the fog light - I'll show the > blighters ! > > > > > > George....TC EXU 7548 Derbyshire England > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Suspension
Hear, hear!
Regards, David Lodge
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From: "Liz Harris" lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Maurice Paton" maurice.paton@wam.co.nz>,"ian thomson"
i.thomson@talk21.com>,"David Lodge"
archie_ponsonby@post.cz>,george.arber@btinternet.com,mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Suspension
Date: 8.5.2005 - 22:42:03
-- Levn j internet v pracovn dny ji od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN ! http://mimospicku.volny.cz> Far too simple Maurice...where`s the fun in > that......Tweed TC 2259 > > Maurice Paton maurice.paton@wam.co.nz> wrote:Why not > just pull over and let them go past, or is that to > simple a solution? > > Maurice Paton > TC9357 > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ian > thomson > Sent: Friday, 6 May 2005 9:13 p.m. > To: David Lodge; george.arber@btinternet.com; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension > > Great idea George ...but the problem these days are > idiots who drive behind you with a million candlepower > at our eyelevel on those trucks and busses which those > with more money than sense drive nowadays. Even > mounting such a device in the rear screen would > probably enrage them enough to drive you off the road. > > Ian Thomson. > > --- > > --- David Lodge wrote: > > Hello George, Ian, > > > > Do either of you remember those cream plastic Hella > > spotlights - > > hugely popular with the rally crowd in the '60's - > > that adhered > > by suction to the inside of the windscreen, and > > could be > > swivelled to virtually any angle? I was in digs in > > a pub run by > > a Sunbeam Alpine driving big-head who bought one > > just so he could > > "remind" oncoming drivers to dip their main-beams > > (high-beams)! > > There's your answer! I've seen them at Beaulieu! > > > > Regards, David Lodge > > > > > > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > > From: "ian thomson" > > To: "george arber" > > ,"mg-tabc" > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] > > Suspension > > Date: 5.5.2005 - 11:59:10 > > > > > I envey you the trip round Ireland but I think the > > > horn/dipswitch problem is not just an EXU one. Is > > the > > > switch in a different position on EXUs? I find > > that > > > if cornering hard enough to need to hang on the > > > Brooklands wheel that it can flex just enough to > > take > > > the skin off my knuckles on the horn push or break > > a > > > nail. As for the lights problem I just don't > > drive at > > > night1 > > > > > > Ian Thomson > > > > > > > > > --- george arber > > wrote: > > > > Once again we have returned from a tour in our > > TC in > > > > and around the Emerald Isle and if any of you > > really > > > > and I mean really want to test the suspension > > out > > > > whilst at the same time loosening the fillings > > in > > > > your teeth, try a trip to Eire ! Great place , > > great > > > > people but boy oh boy -those roads ! > > > > We completed a short trip of about 1300 miles > > with > > > > some horrendous weather thrown in and the TC > > never > > > > missed a beat.Hood down most of the time - got > > wet > > > > but had fun. > > > > For those of you with knowledge of EXU's, can > > > > anybody explain to me why Abingdon chose to > > > > rearrange the instrument panel compared to the > > > > standard TC's ? Whilst I am familiar with the > > > > rationale of the various other detail changes to > > > > suit the American market, I cannot for the life > > of > > > > me understand why they chose to position the > > horn > > > > and dipswitch immediately under the wheel rim. > > Not > > > > only does one catch the horn too easily on the > > turn > > > > but at night flicking the dip switch become a > > bit of > > > > a lottery. On the way home in foul weather I > > lost > > > > many a battle with oncoming cars who nearly > > burned > > > > me off the road with their xenon bulbed > > > > searchlights. Whilst our car is a standard EXU, > > I am > > > > searching the internet for the design of a death > > ray > > > > to replace the fog light - I'll show the > > blighters ! > > > > > > > > George....TC EXU 7548 Derbyshire England > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to > > contact > > > your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Levne ja internet v pracovn dny jil od 18:00 hod. > > Surfujte s VOLNY ! > > http://mimospicku.volny.cz > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your > holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos > http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
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Re: Suspension
David
They were Halda not Hella I still have an old one but the plastic has
cracked!
Paul
TC3348
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> To: i.thomson@talk21.com>; george.arber@btinternet.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension Hello George, Ian, Do either of you remember those cream plastic Hella spotlights - hugely popular with the rally crowd in the '60's - that adhered by suction to the inside of the windscreen, and could be swivelled to virtually any angle? I was in digs in a pub run by a Sunbeam Alpine driving big-head who bought one just so he could "remind" oncoming drivers to dip their main-beams (high-beams)! There's your answer! I've seen them at Beaulieu! Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "ian thomson" i.thomson@talk21.com> To: "george arber" george.arber@btinternet.com>,"mg-tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension Date: 5.5.2005 - 11:59:10 > I envey you the trip round Ireland but I think the > horn/dipswitch problem is not just an EXU one. Is the > switch in a different position on EXUs? I find that > if cornering hard enough to need to hang on the > Brooklands wheel that it can flex just enough to take > the skin off my knuckles on the horn push or break a > nail. As for the lights problem I just don't drive at > night1 > > Ian Thomson > > > --- george arber george.arber@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Once again we have returned from a tour in our TC in > > and around the Emerald Isle and if any of you really > > and I mean really want to test the suspension out > > whilst at the same time loosening the fillings in > > your teeth, try a trip to Eire ! Great place , great > > people but boy oh boy -those roads ! > > We completed a short trip of about 1300 miles with > > some horrendous weather thrown in and the TC never > > missed a beat.Hood down most of the time - got wet > > but had fun. > > For those of you with knowledge of EXU's, can > > anybody explain to me why Abingdon chose to > > rearrange the instrument panel compared to the > > standard TC's ? Whilst I am familiar with the > > rationale of the various other detail changes to > > suit the American market, I cannot for the life of > > me understand why they chose to position the horn > > and dipswitch immediately under the wheel rim. Not > > only does one catch the horn too easily on the turn > > but at night flicking the dip switch become a bit of > > a lottery. On the way home in foul weather I lost > > many a battle with oncoming cars who nearly burned > > me off the road with their xenon bulbed > > searchlights. Whilst our car is a standard EXU, I am > > searching the internet for the design of a death ray > > to replace the fog light - I'll show the blighters ! > > > > George....TC EXU 7548 Derbyshire England > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact > your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Levn j internet v pracovn dny ji od 18:00 hod. Surfujte s VOLN ! http://mimospicku.volny.cz Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Suspension
Thanks, Paul!
Regards, David
why-do-the-senior's-moments-appear-to-be-getting-more-frequent?
Lodge
----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE -----
From: "paul camp" pauldcamp@btinternet.com>
To: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz>
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension
Date: 11.5.2005 - 2:11:50
-- ! NOVINKA ! Vybruslete z jarni unavy! Inline brusle Nike Dorfin Roll + kompletni sada chranicu za 2899 Kc! http://www.sportobchod.cz/Produkt.php?kat1=10&kat2=84&id=1814> David > They were Halda not Hella I still have an old one but > the plastic has > cracked! > Paul > TC3348 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> > To: i.thomson@talk21.com>; > george.arber@btinternet.com>; > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Suspension > > > Hello George, Ian, > > Do either of you remember those cream plastic Hella > spotlights - > hugely popular with the rally crowd in the '60's - > that adhered > by suction to the inside of the windscreen, and could > be > swivelled to virtually any angle? I was in digs in a > pub run by > a Sunbeam Alpine driving big-head who bought one just > so he could > "remind" oncoming drivers to dip their main-beams > (high-beams)! > There's your answer! I've seen them at Beaulieu! > > Regards, David Lodge > > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > From: "ian thomson" i.thomson@talk21.com> > To: "george arber" > george.arber@btinternet.com>,"mg-tabc" > mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] > Suspension > Date: 5.5.2005 - 11:59:10 > > > I envey you the trip round Ireland but I think the > > horn/dipswitch problem is not just an EXU one. Is > > the > > switch in a different position on EXUs? I find that > > if cornering hard enough to need to hang on the > > Brooklands wheel that it can flex just enough to take > > the skin off my knuckles on the horn push or break a > > nail. As for the lights problem I just don't drive > > at > > night1 > > > > Ian Thomson > > > > > > --- george arber george.arber@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Once again we have returned from a tour in our TC > > > in > > > and around the Emerald Isle and if any of you > > > really > > > and I mean really want to test the suspension out > > > whilst at the same time loosening the fillings in > > > your teeth, try a trip to Eire ! Great place , > > > great > > > people but boy oh boy -those roads ! > > > We completed a short trip of about 1300 miles with > > > some horrendous weather thrown in and the TC never > > > missed a beat.Hood down most of the time - got wet > > > but had fun. > > > For those of you with knowledge of EXU's, can > > > anybody explain to me why Abingdon chose to > > > rearrange the instrument panel compared to the > > > standard TC's ? Whilst I am familiar with the > > > rationale of the various other detail changes to > > > suit the American market, I cannot for the life of > > > me understand why they chose to position the horn > > > and dipswitch immediately under the wheel rim. Not > > > only does one catch the horn too easily on the turn > > > but at night flicking the dip switch become a bit > > > of > > > a lottery. On the way home in foul weather I lost > > > many a battle with oncoming cars who nearly burned > > > me off the road with their xenon bulbed > > > searchlights. Whilst our car is a standard EXU, I > > > am > > > searching the internet for the design of a death > > > ray > > > to replace the fog light - I'll show the blighters > > > ! > > > > > > George....TC EXU 7548 Derbyshire England > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to > > contact > > your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Levne js internet v pracovn dny jiz od 18:00 hod. > Surfujte s VOLNY ! > http://mimospicku.volny.cz > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
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