re[2]: [dsn_klr650] tubeless tire update and tubeliss insert

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I know several people that do this to Bicycles and Motorcycles. They also take the valve core out to let them down and don t put it back until they air it up. GregM From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:08 PM To: Martin Earl; DSN KLR650 Subject: Re[2]: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tubeless tire update and Tubeliss insert system install Not sure if this belongs in this thread or the "So I just stood there looking stunned" but a great example of thinking outside the box. It came from a bicycle site but might apply to motorcycles also: "i believe that the best realisation for co2 canisters are for city bikers who park up over a day.. Who would want to steal a bike with flat tyres or goto the hassle of pumping up then stealing! Deflate your tyres, park and lock and re-inflate when you come back after work or doing what ever you were doing without a worry!" ------ Original Message ------ From: "Martin Earl" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; "Norm Keller" Sent: 2014-09-30 5:56:22 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tubeless tire update and Tubeliss insert system install Hi Norm, Not sure my story directly relates...but appreciate your research on the tubless. I followed the links and drank some of the kool-aid, and found the advertisement fascinating. Tire installation and de-installation is sometimes painful, and sometimes painless. The least painful experience (no tubeless experience to report) was after letting the tires sit in the sun, on the concrete for an hour in 90F heat. Both (new Kenda 270 tires) front and rear beads seated with a bicycle hand pump at 30psi. One of the worst experiences was with Dunlop 607 in the winter time; they did not have the flexibility of preheated beads, but were installed at about 60F ambient shop temp, but not cold soaked below 50F as they were riding in the back of the suburban. I have heard of some people soaking their tires in the hot bath water or placing the tires next to the furnace (winter installation) for an extended period of time to make the tire more flexible. revmaaatin.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:33 PM, 'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Some may recall my conversion of both tires to tubeless (no tubes) and that we were unable to reseal the front tire beads using electric tire pump, small CO2 cartridge, cargo strap and some bad language. Nick took the front wheel to a local gas station and instantly sealed and seated the beads using their tire pump. A bot more leakage than the small pump/cartridge volume could overcome. The new Shinko front, after being mounted for a few days, will seal the beads with a large C02 cartridge and sometimes with the connect-the-two-tires-bridal. I've set the front tire sealing aside as just installed the Tubeliss system today and will see how that performs. It balanced out quite easily with only one ounce more weight than before. I will see how the balance holds up after the tire has a few miles (new Shinko). The bigger problem of sealing the rear tubeless tire beads remains so will play with that and report in case it is of interest. I suspect that a big CO2 will do that job also so will likely have to buy one. Has anyone suggestions? Had a long and very enjoyable conversation with Jeff (owner) of Tubeliss this morning. Some things I recall but should recognize that these are filtered by my impressions: They are exploring a 17" version but the delay has been because of the differences in wheel width used in the 17" range of wheels. The molds for the "inner tire" are very expensive to have produced so the motivation to at least break even has them looking very hard at this segment. Jeff also mentioned that they are exploring a new product which will offer improved performance but was (obviously) very circumspect as to what it would be. It seems that this might be more road and 17" attractive- my impression. He also mentioned that they are looking at producing their own tires which will allow them to design in many of the things they have learned in their research. Very, very interesting and enthusiastic guy who is also easily diverted to philosophy and psychology which was the subject of most of our conversation. FWIW, the install of the Tubeliss insert and tire was easy-peasy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]