oil changes

[Jeff Khoury]

I'd tell her it would be a shame to see those pretty legs ground off on the pavement. Then show her a picture of Brittany Morrow http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/116/473bd8e0ecbe419d91c625cda6998eb8/l.jpg -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: roncriswell2@... To: "Lee Dodge" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 5:17:01 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Oil Cold ? Lee God bless you. I bet you ride in full protective gear and don't care if your bike doesn't sparkle. That said, wouldn't mind making a street tracker with a 1200 Sportster. I talk with a lot Harley guys at a local breastrant I hang out at. They love them and swear by them for cruising type riding. Problem with me is the naked riding style they love and the company seems to encourage. As one who has had 4 street crashes that could have been fatal, I feel this is just ludicrous....but....what do you say to a lady that wants to ride....near naked. Criswell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Lee Dodge < ldodge3082@... > wrote: Certainly draining hot oil removes more contaminants then cold oil. I think that all oil companies recommend that. Some time ago I saved a posting I found on a European bike chat room where a guy posed a question about a recommendation that dealt with a very similar question like e.g. "I talked to a Harley Guy . . he said ______ .. The response was blunt and harsh but here it is: "..those are the guys who don't use the front for fear of being thrown over the bars, who believe loud pipes save lives, and think competitive event is spinning up an unloaded rear wheel on a 'stand still' bike to make a cloud of tire smoke, and think a motor who's architecture was designed in 1935, gives them credibility on technical motor issues, and who use 1/8 mile drag numbers to prove how hot their bikes are." Attitude is no substitute for knowledge. In my experience I've known 2 exceptionally informed HD riders but it's rare and the posers vastly outnumber them. You'll get far better information on this forum. Lee

[RobertWichert]

I say she should ride right in front of me. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 11/25/2013 5:17 PM, roncriswell2@... wrote:

Lee God bless you. I bet you ride in full protective gear and don't care if your bike doesn't sparkle. That said, wouldn't mind making a street tracker with a 1200 Sportster. I talk with a lot Harley guys at a local breastrant I hang out at. They love them and swear by them for cruising type riding. Problem with me is the naked riding style they love and the company seems to encourage. As one who has had 4 street crashes that could have been fatal, I feel this is just ludicrous....but....what do you say to a lady that wants to ride....near naked. Criswell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Lee Dodge wrote: Certainly draining hot oil removes more contaminants then cold oil. I think that all oil companies recommend that. Some time ago I saved a posting I found on a European bike chat room where a guy posed a question about a recommendation that dealt with a very similar question like e.g. "I talked to a Harley Guy . . he said ______ .. The response was blunt and harsh but here it is: "..those are the guys who don't use the front for fear of being thrown over the bars, who believe loud pipes save lives, and think competitive event is spinning up an unloaded rear wheel on a 'stand still' bike to make a cloud of tire smoke, and think a motor who's architecture was designed in 1935, gives them credibility on technical motor issues, and who use 1/8 mile drag numbers to prove how hot their bikes are." Attitude is no substitute for knowledge. In my experience I've known 2 exceptionally informed HD riders but it's rare and the posers vastly outnumber them. You'll get far better information on this forum. Lee

[RobertWichert]

20 degrees is not prime riding weather, Mark. We haven't had a freezing morning yet this year, but then, it is California! Stay warm! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 11/27/2013 5:19 AM, mark ward wrote:

SAFTY 1st. The best way to know if the oil temp. is in the safe is the same way you checking to see if it is freezing out side, Just stick your tongue to the metal. SIZZLES AND BLISTERS, a little to hot. STICKS to it, a little to cold. I would have sent this mesg. by Skype, but currently, the flag pole says it's 20 degrees out, so I may be here awhile. [b]From:[/b] Horton Oliphant hortonhearsawho@... [b]To:[/b] klr DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:53 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] oil changes After doing this several times I decided that changing the oil when it was warm was a better idea. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa On 11/26/2013 9:22 AM, RobertWichert wrote: How I remove the oil plug (when warm): 1. Break it loose with a ratchet. 2. Place the middle finger of my left hand in the center of the bolt head 3. Loosen the bolt with my right hand, keeping light pressure straight on the bolt head with my left. 4. When you feel that you've completely unscrewed the bolt (you'll feel the thread "click") and hot oil will dribble onto your hands. 5. Drop the bolt in the pan and yell F***! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068

[Martin Earl]

LEG PULL switch--ON. There is a lot of personally (dare I say, sometimes silly or at least amusing) opinions about oil, oil changes, etc. yawn.We have recently read/suggested how to get the oil out without getting it on you. shrug. I wouldn't think I had changed the oil 'properly' if I did not get some on me, and some on the floor...hopefully no-more-than 2.5L. I would say the list has pretty much stated/proofed/substantiated that we should change the oil and change it often is better than a long interval etc. What I do know, is this:1. The oil will run out of the bike even if there is no oil pan directly under the plug.2. The oil will run out of the bike even if the pan WAS under the plug and now is no longer under the plug. 3. Changing the oil with a stout wind present, the oil may/may-not go into the catch basin even if it is directly under the plug.4 .that if you don't put the 'plug' back in, the bike WILL take 2.5L of oil and it WILL NOT show on the sight gauge. 5. If you have drained the oil, and the catch container is small, if you experience #4, most likely it will look like #1 even though the pan is under the bike. Perhaps the keeper of the FAQ should make an appropriate notations of #1-5.... Blessing to all, far and near- m. who notes that there are days for Turkeys other than the 4th Thursday of Nov. (see bio listed as #1-5)

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: Hi old friends and new, Been away for a while trust all is well. Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ? Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather.

[RobertWichert]

You should write a book, Martin. HAPPY FREEEEEKING THANKSGIVING!! Robert ======================================

On 11/28/2013 11:38 AM, Martin Earl wrote:

LEG PULL switch--ON. There is a lot of personally (dare I say, sometimes silly or at least amusing) opinions about oil, oil changes, etc. yawn. We have recently read/suggested how to get the oil out without getting it on you. shrug. I wouldn't think I had changed the oil 'properly' if I did not get some on me, and some on the floor...hopefully no-more-than 2.5L. I would say the list has pretty much stated/proofed/substantiated that we should change the oil and change it often is better than a long interval etc. What I do know, is this: 1. The oil will run out of the bike even if there is no oil pan directly under the plug. 2. The oil will run out of the bike even if the pan WAS under the plug and now is no longer under the plug. 3. Changing the oil with a stout wind present, the oil may/may-not go into the catch basin even if it is directly under the plug. 4 .that if you don't put the 'plug' back in, the bike WILL take 2.5L of oil and it WILL NOT show on the sight gauge. 5. If you have drained the oil, and the catch container is small, if you experience #4, most likely it will look like #1 even though the pan is under the bike. Perhaps the keeper of the FAQ should make an appropriate notations of #1-5.... Blessing to all, far and near- m. who notes that there are days for Turkeys other than the 4th Thursday of Nov. (see bio listed as #1-5) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: Hi old friends and new, Been away for a while trust all is well. Talked to a Harley guy yesterday. He was adamant that the custom of taking the bike for a ride, to warm up the engine, before an oil change was now obsolete. He's convinced that the contemporary brews have superior detergent properties nasty stuff no longer gathers in places in the lube system. Any thoughts ? Bogdan, who is stuck in his ways and therefore will take his klr on a ride before an oil change Wednesday despite the cold weather. -- Robert P Wichert P.Eng. Inc. LEED AP, HERS II, CEA +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068