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[RobertWichert]

Hey! Wait! The indicator bulb is bad! That's the ticket! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 9/2/2012 5:55 PM, k650@... wrote: > > Even though you are only lighting two bulbs on one side at a time the > flasher "sees" all four bulbs. I know it doesn't make sense unless you > consider the turn signal dash indicator lamp. There is only one and both > sides use it. The right side turn signal bulbs are connected one pole of > the dash indicator bulb filament and the left side turn signal bulbs are > connected to the other pole of the dash indicator bulb filament. The dash > indicator bulb lights when power is applied from either side and it > gets its > ground through the bulbs on the other side. Even though power goes through > the bulbs on the other side than those that are lit they do not light up > because the indicator bulb functions as a resistor limiting the available > current. > > Now you said you checked the bulbs with an ohm meter. They could still be > bad. A broken filament can make contact testing good with a meter and > later > due to vibration break contact. Seen it and heard about it happening many > times. Replace the bulbs with new ones. Another thing often overlooked is > the contact on the bottom of the bulb can wear away from the > vibrations same > for the socket. What might seem fine on inspection may be just loose > enough > to open up with the vibrations. Make sure the bulb and socket fit together > snug. Same thing with the wires connections going to the bulbs. That is > why I said check the bullet connectors both Positive and Negative going to > the sockets. You did not mention checking them. Another point to check is > the connector under the seat over the rear inner fender where the main > harness joins the rear sub-harness. > > Another alternative is to change the type of flasher to an electronic > or LED > type. It will not fix what is causing the fast flash problem only mask it. > Since it is not load dependant the bulbs will always flash at the same > rate. > If a bulb goes out the other will still flash normal. The flasher will no > longer change the rate to indicate a problem. > > And enough with the GENIUS. Remember you are the one looking for help I am > just trying to give it. I know you must be frustrated no need to take it > out on me because you don't understand the answer. > > Walt > > From: JD [mailto:justsayizzy@... ] > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 17:54 > To: k650@... ; > 'KLR650@yahoogroups.com >' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > Hey GENIUS, > > Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of > the two > bulbs in the right two sockets. > > I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. > > That is why I tried the flasher relay first! > > And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned the > contacts before I replaced them! > > JD > > ______________________________________ > > _____ > > From: "k650@... " > > To: 'JD' >; > "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com >'" > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to > replace > the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as > designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. > What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I > would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked > or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can > work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact > but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a > wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the > socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. > Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them > apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and > secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. > > Walt > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > ] On > Behalf Of JD > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 > To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast > some of > the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is > acting up. > > At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it > starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. > > I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start > looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, > so I > don't think that's the one. > > Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? > > Thanks in advance. > > JD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[JD]

Cool. Thanks! Sent from my iPod

On Sep 2, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Andrew Gates wrote: > Several sites have a PDF or tiff file of a KLR wiring diagram. (http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#electricalsystem ) (look for links half way down the page marked .pdf and .tiff) I think the diagram is marked as 94, but it s identical to my 2006. I had a print shop print me a large color laser copy at 34 x 44 and then used 3M spray adhesive to mount it to a piece of foam board and have hung it on the wall in my shop where it s easy to stare at for long stretches when I m wrapping my non-electrician head around wiring / electrical issues. Print was about $18 and the foam core board was about $7. I already had the adhesive. So it cost me about $25, but has given me hundreds of dollars worth of understanding. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

I'm no electrickery genuis, but I do know, they share a common ground. Older flasher would not flash if a turn sigal bulb was faulty. More-Modern flashers work counter intuitive to that: they flash quickly to alert the operator a buly is bad. That is walt's point. and in the course of trouble shooting the bike: If your bike is of the following color schemes, God help you. Is your bike: a barbie bike, teal blue, garbage can green, green/black, red, red/black puke green, black or blue? Bikes of those colors have a history of KiLeRistic electrical problems. For those that don't know, the lack of civil discourse and exercising your 'right' to thin skinned flaming will get a vacation time-out for 2d grade sandbox conduct, and noboby gains anything from that. revmaaatin. who says, I would try chaninging the bulbs,one at a time--reguardless of what the lying, theiving ohm meter tells you. grinn. i.e. The glass fuses are NOTORIOUS for metering out and still won't perform correctly.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, JD wrote: > > Hey GENIUS, > > Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of the two bulbs in the right two sockets. > > I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. > > That is why I tried the flasher relay first! > > And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned the contacts before I replaced them! > > > > JD > > > ______________________________________ > > > ________________________________ > From: "k650@..." > To: 'JD' ; "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>'" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to replace > the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as > designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. > What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I > would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked > or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can > work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact > but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a > wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the > socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. > Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them > apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and > secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. > > Walt > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of JD > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 > To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast some of > the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is > acting up. > > > At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it > starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. > > I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start > looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, so I > don't think that's the one. > > Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? > > Thanks in advance. > > > JD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[ron criswell]

Correction CRF L Sent from my iPad

On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > Anybody check out Honda's new little dual sport. It looks pretty nifty and is fuel injected. I sat on one at the dealer the other day. I wonder about the power? Why don't they make a 400 or a 650 like that? > > Criswell > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]