my klr bagged a deer

[guymanbro]

Oh you sissy little balancing act boys. I balance all of my KLR tires by running through some serious mud and then taking her up to speed on the highway before the muck dries. Once dry, they seem perfectly balanced to me. Then again, I am a slightly imbalanced member of the species. da Vermonster

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "skypilot110" wrote: > > Curiouser and curiouser! > > Loads of us believe that the science used in describing their effect is, well, non real. At least one respected magazine seems to have had a poor experience as well. That said there are reports from some very respectable riders, on this list and others, saying that they work. > > If I were still in the Jet engine overhaul bussiness I would surely be working on a balance rig to put a wheel in one of the Hofmann or Schenck machines right now. Unfotunately those days are done. > > So how do we settle this. Proof that they work makes lots of our lives much easier as this is clearly easier than balancing, especially on road trips. Proving they dont work, or within what limitations they work, gives us better knowledge with which to decide for ourselves. > > Anybody have access to an adequately sufisticated tire balancer as to allow the accelerometers to read only after the tire is up to speed? Are they all like that already? Anybody work on a Horizontal balance machine? > > How else could we settle this once and for all? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > > > I have to weigh in on the side of "Dyna-Beads". I've used them in tubes and tubeless, for a combined total of somewhere around 18,000 miles in my KLR and Versys, and I'm a 'believer'! My wheel/ tire combinations have been smooth throughout their life as the tires wear. > > Prior to Dyna-Beads I balanced my wheels the old way (spent an hour or so on each...), and this is WAY better! > > My .02$ > > Cheers, > > Ed > > >

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote:

> > Fred, > > UNLESS they are in an inner-tube which I plan to re-use, I NEVER try to save and re-use the DynaBeads. Even if you pay 'full-pop' they're about $10 for both wheels, but here's a link to a cheaper way (I have NOT used it, but plan to). > > This post is copied from a Versys site: > "You can get the beads direct from www.foxindustries.com a lot cheaper for about $7.00 lb. just ask for 1.5 mm Zirconium Silicate Beads . Got the info from another motorcycle site and ordered some." > > I would suggest that the size here is wrong; maybe .15 mm ??? > > Cheers, > Ed >

~~~Do you have access to a formula/chart for how many beads (or weight) goes into a tube, for various sized tubes? I can balance all my larger wheels with the horizontal rig I have but my 10" scooter wheels can't be balanced with the tools I have, which makes the dyna beads appealing Jake Reddick Fla. I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there. -- Herb Caen http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/

[dave.rogoski]

Bought Dyna beads with my new tires - but after thinking about it decided that it is probably BS - then bought a Harbor Freight wheel balancer and some weights - It took about 5 minutes to get them perfect - just like the big race teams do - very easy and proven!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "guymanbro" wrote: > > Oh you sissy little balancing act boys. I balance all of my KLR tires by running through some serious mud and then taking her up to speed on the highway before the muck dries. Once dry, they seem perfectly balanced to me. > > Then again, I am a slightly imbalanced member of the species. > > da Vermonster > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "skypilot110" wrote: > > > > Curiouser and curiouser! > > > > Loads of us believe that the science used in describing their effect is, well, non real. At least one respected magazine seems to have had a poor experience as well. That said there are reports from some very respectable riders, on this list and others, saying that they work. > > > > If I were still in the Jet engine overhaul bussiness I would surely be working on a balance rig to put a wheel in one of the Hofmann or Schenck machines right now. Unfotunately those days are done. > > > > So how do we settle this. Proof that they work makes lots of our lives much easier as this is clearly easier than balancing, especially on road trips. Proving they dont work, or within what limitations they work, gives us better knowledge with which to decide for ourselves. > > > > Anybody have access to an adequately sufisticated tire balancer as to allow the accelerometers to read only after the tire is up to speed? Are they all like that already? Anybody work on a Horizontal balance machine? > > > > How else could we settle this once and for all? > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > > > > > I have to weigh in on the side of "Dyna-Beads". I've used them in tubes and tubeless, for a combined total of somewhere around 18,000 miles in my KLR and Versys, and I'm a 'believer'! My wheel/ tire combinations have been smooth throughout their life as the tires wear. > > > Prior to Dyna-Beads I balanced my wheels the old way (spent an hour or so on each...), and this is WAY better! > > > My .02$ > > > Cheers, > > > Ed > > > > > >

[Robert]

Dave, Did you check out the web site or do you think those on the list that have reported on Dyna Beads are not credible? The web site certainly seemed credible and convincing. However, I admit that there are scams out there that sometimes fool the average bear. rw

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "dave.rogoski" wrote: > > > Bought Dyna beads with my new tires - but after thinking about it decided that it is probably BS - then bought a Harbor Freight wheel balancer and some weights - It took about 5 minutes to get them perfect - just like the big race teams do - very easy and proven! > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "guymanbro" wrote: > > > > Oh you sissy little balancing act boys. I balance all of my KLR tires by running through some serious mud and then taking her up to speed on the highway before the muck dries. Once dry, they seem perfectly balanced to me. > > > > Then again, I am a slightly imbalanced member of the species. > > > > da Vermonster > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "skypilot110" wrote: > > > > > > Curiouser and curiouser! > > > > > > Loads of us believe that the science used in describing their effect is, well, non real. At least one respected magazine seems to have had a poor experience as well. That said there are reports from some very respectable riders, on this list and others, saying that they work. > > > > > > If I were still in the Jet engine overhaul bussiness I would surely be working on a balance rig to put a wheel in one of the Hofmann or Schenck machines right now. Unfotunately those days are done. > > > > > > So how do we settle this. Proof that they work makes lots of our lives much easier as this is clearly easier than balancing, especially on road trips. Proving they dont work, or within what limitations they work, gives us better knowledge with which to decide for ourselves. > > > > > > Anybody have access to an adequately sufisticated tire balancer as to allow the accelerometers to read only after the tire is up to speed? Are they all like that already? Anybody work on a Horizontal balance machine? > > > > > > How else could we settle this once and for all? > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > > > > > > > I have to weigh in on the side of "Dyna-Beads". I've used them in tubes and tubeless, for a combined total of somewhere around 18,000 miles in my KLR and Versys, and I'm a 'believer'! My wheel/ tire combinations have been smooth throughout their life as the tires wear. > > > > Prior to Dyna-Beads I balanced my wheels the old way (spent an hour or so on each...), and this is WAY better! > > > > My .02$ > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > >

[larslemberg]

I don't use the beads, I balance my wheels. But, the dyna beads concept works. Front load clothes washers use the same science to auto-balance themselves. I have one and its spin cycle is smooth as silk. The technology allows some washers to obtain upwards of 1000rpm spin cycles. Lars '06 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com:

>...I admit that there are scams out there that sometimes fool the average bear. > > ...decided that it is probably BS

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Exactly. Beads???? WTF??? Just use Slime and fuggeddaboutit. Slime will help balance a wheel while preventing rapid deflation during a puncture. Mark

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At 7:04 PM +0000 8/9/10, guymanbro wrote:

>Oh you sissy little balancing act boys. I balance all of my KLR >tires by running through some serious mud and then taking her up to >speed on the highway before the muck dries. Once dry, they seem >perfectly balanced to me.

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-431558747 p {margin:0;}I have Slime in my tires as well, but it doesn't go in until AFTER I've balanced the tire. Balancing the tire only takes a few minutes and tools you probably already own.  In addition, if you balance tires the way I do, you end up inspecting your wheel bearings at the same time so you're killing two birds with one stone. Tools required: A pair of jackstands Some bearing grease Wheel weights (stick-on or spoke-type) Masking tape Chalk (optional) Piece of string and a nut (also optional)

[*]Adjust the jackstands all the way to the top and set the wheel (with axle) across them.[*]Spin the tire, checking for freedom of movement, grease/replace bearings if necessary.[*]Let the tire settle, the heavy spot will settle to the bottom, plus or minus friction induced by the wheel bearing.[*]Turn the wheel 90 degrees clockwise and release.  As the tire settles, take the string and tie it to the nut, making a plumb bob.  Hold it up in front of the tire, in line with the axle. Mark the top of the tire with the chalk or a small piece of tape, or just guesstimate if you don't have one.[*]Turn the wheel 90 degrees counter-clockwise and let it settle again. Repeat the process of marking the top of the tire.[*]Half-way between the two marks will be your light spot.  Mark this with your chalk or tape and remove the other marks.[*]Estimate the number of weights you'll need (3 or 4 1/4oz weights usually does it) and tape them to the rim at the light spot.[*]Turn the wheel 90 degrees so that the weights are on the 3 or 9 o'clock position of the tire.  If the tire stays where it is when you let go, you have it right.  If not, adjust the number of weights until it stays put.[*]Once you know how many weights you need, fix them in place, in the usual manner.[*]Re-pack your bearings since you're already looking at them.

-Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:32:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: balancing equipment or wheels. Dyna Beads   Exactly. Beads???? WTF??? Just use Slime and fuggeddaboutit. Slime will help balance a wheel while preventing rapid deflation during a puncture. Mark > > > At 7:04 PM +0000 8/9/10, guymanbro wrote: >Oh you sissy little balancing act boys. I balance all of my KLR >tires by running through some serious mud and then taking her up to >speed on the highway before the muck dries. Once dry, they seem >perfectly balanced to me.

[fasteddiecopeman]

Jake, Go to the DynaBeads website - it'll tell how much to put in. Cheers, Ed

> ~~~Do you have access to a formula/chart for how many beads (or weight) goes into a tube, for various sized tubes? I can balance all my larger wheels with the horizontal rig I have but my 10" scooter wheels can't be balanced with the tools I have, which makes the dyna beads appealing > Jake > Reddick Fla. > I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there. > -- Herb Caen

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

That's barely broken in! After a period of 20K miles burning 1qt every 100 mi, I retired my woods thrasher when the oil burn went to 1qt every 75 miles and it sounded like it was going to throw the piston out the side of the engine. Mark

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At 8:46 PM -0700 8/10/10, Russell Scott wrote: Still rolling Stu, but it has lost a few parts since Colorado. My 80K KLR will soon be retiring to my cousin Jack's house in Boulder, Utah. Starting to burn about a qt. every 700 miles

[dave.rogoski]

Yes I have been to their site and done a little research. One of my Harley buddies swears by them. My thoughts and I am not sure I am right, just being safe, is that if you do not balance a tire many times you would never feel a wobble. Many tires are pretty close. Both my goldwing tires took less than an ounce of weight to make them perfect. A buddy told me that he was at a Nascar race and they had 8 little HF type balancing stands set up in a row to balance the tires on the million dollar race cars. Not dynamic spin balancers. That it is pretty perfect when done that way. I think the static balance stands are probably easier than getting the dyna beads in the tire and if they didn't work the big money race teams wouldn't be using them. Also, I have been told that the beads can get stuck in the valve stem valve and cause a leak, that if used be sure and get a filtered valve stem or have air available whenever you check the pressures.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "robert" wrote: > > Dave, > Did you check out the web site or do you think those on the list that have reported on Dyna Beads are not credible? The web site certainly seemed credible and convincing. However, I admit that there are scams out there that sometimes fool the average bear. > rw > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "dave.rogoski" wrote: > > > > > > Bought Dyna beads with my new tires - but after thinking about it decided that it is probably BS - then bought a Harbor Freight wheel balancer and some weights - It took about 5 minutes to get them perfect - just like the big race teams do - very easy and proven! > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "guymanbro" wrote: > > > > > > Oh you sissy little balancing act boys. I balance all of my KLR tires by running through some serious mud and then taking her up to speed on the highway before the muck dries. Once dry, they seem perfectly balanced to me. > > > > > > Then again, I am a slightly imbalanced member of the species. > > > > > > da Vermonster > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "skypilot110" wrote: > > > > > > > > Curiouser and curiouser! > > > > > > > > Loads of us believe that the science used in describing their effect is, well, non real. At least one respected magazine seems to have had a poor experience as well. That said there are reports from some very respectable riders, on this list and others, saying that they work. > > > > > > > > If I were still in the Jet engine overhaul bussiness I would surely be working on a balance rig to put a wheel in one of the Hofmann or Schenck machines right now. Unfotunately those days are done. > > > > > > > > So how do we settle this. Proof that they work makes lots of our lives much easier as this is clearly easier than balancing, especially on road trips. Proving they dont work, or within what limitations they work, gives us better knowledge with which to decide for ourselves. > > > > > > > > Anybody have access to an adequately sufisticated tire balancer as to allow the accelerometers to read only after the tire is up to speed? Are they all like that already? Anybody work on a Horizontal balance machine? > > > > > > > > How else could we settle this once and for all? > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have to weigh in on the side of "Dyna-Beads". I've used them in tubes and tubeless, for a combined total of somewhere around 18,000 miles in my KLR and Versys, and I'm a 'believer'! My wheel/ tire combinations have been smooth throughout their life as the tires wear. > > > > > Prior to Dyna-Beads I balanced my wheels the old way (spent an hour or so on each...), and this is WAY better! > > > > > My .02$ > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >