oil level 170mm or 190mm

[Jim Douglas]

In regards to the video, here is TX you can't go in/out of car pool lanes, I also think that crossing a double yellow line is also not a good thing. The way folks are driving now, with the laptop, cell-phone, kids, dogs, and probably a few more distractions I don't think I would be zipping through traffic, especially when the guy on one side is a 18wheeler? One point that other's have brought up is that some folks seem to think that bikes doing this are somehow 'cheating', which I have seen myself, inside my car and the car in front very clearly moving towards the center to 'block' the biker. When I see a biker coming up I tend to move to allow more room for the guy. I can understand jealously in a traffic jam and the biker is moving along and the cager is not but can't think of what's going on in someones head when they go out of their way to 'block' a biker! BTW, any input in regards to age/sex of folks doing this and other close calls, all of my close calls, someone pulling into your lane, in front of you from stop sign, etc have either been older men or women, both women were on the phone!

> > > I must apologize, that comment was not directed at you alone... > > I've had a MC license since 1984 and a good amount of that time in > California. Lane sharing is an animal that is somewhat unique in > California, and the traffic here is abysmal. The people who say lane > sharing is inherently dangerous are flat wrong. Yes, some people bomb > between the lanes at 50mph. I'm not talking about them. > > If you do it prudently it IS more safe than sitting in traffic. You > will NEVER see a CHP motor officer sitting in traffic. NEVER. > > The CHP's "rule of thumb" when it comes to lane sharing is: > > "In traffic under 35mph you are allowed to share lanes and move not > more than 10mph faster than the flow of traffic. > > after traffic exceeds 35mph, you are obliged to re-join the flow of > traffic." > > -from a CHP friend of mine. > > from the CHP website: > > "Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a > safe and prudent manner." > > Here is a video of a motor officer doing it, from the perspective of a > sport biker following. > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhKWDYuMGiw> > > so, yes. I know of which I speak. > > -Jeff Khoury > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:01:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Well, first of all I'm disappointed to hear that you consider me to be > uneducated. > > I am educated enough from first hand experience that lane > splitting/sharing can be dangerous. > > You make some good points which I am already aware of as far as the > soccer moms and other idiots in their suvs etc and the risk of being > rear ended by them. I have also been a victim of being rear ended in > traffic while on my KLR and other bikes. So again I am educated in > that areas as well. > > The point of the CHP making it their policy, I have to laugh. I work > with the police department. > > Hey but I'm "uneducated" I guess. > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > wrote: > > From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > To: "MM" < m_matthews@yahoo. com > > Cc: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:16 PM > > Here in California, lane sharing is legal, and is the safest place to > be in traffic. > > Think about it: 90+% of accidents on the freeways are rear-enders in > traffic. The last place you want to be is sandwiched between two > soccer moms' SUVs because the one behind you is talking on the phone, > freshening her makeup, or the stock broker is reading the paper (Yes, > I've seen it). > > When traffic is slow or stopped, cars cannot change lanes as quickly > and you have a predictable path to travel. In addition, if you > maintain forward progress through traffic, the rear-enders will most > likely happen behind you or to the side of you... not into you. I've > had rear-enders happen next to me twice... lucky I was in between the > lanes and not in front of the inattentive driver. > > On top of that... I don't commute on my KLR - the bars are too wide. I > have an old Seca II which is skinny and fits through traffic better. > It's air-cooled and that forward progress is a must if I don't want to > overheat. > > Only the uneducated think that lanesharing is not safe. Au contraire.. > it's the best place to be, just ask the CHP - they do it as a matter > of policy. > > -Jeff Khoury > > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:02:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Here in New Jersey I believe that lane splitting is not legal. If a > motorcycle was to have any part of itself or the rider in my lane I > would not like it. It wouldn't be due to any deepseated jealously on > my part that is for sure. I would be agitated though. I also really > find it outrageous when I'm on my KLR and a car cuts into my lane or a > car passes me, often at high speed, in my own lane, when I am slowing > or stopping to make a left (and I'm properly signaling with t/s and a > bright LED stop light). > > The point I'm trying to make is I don't see how a motorcyclist can > think it's ok to lane split but not ok if a car does it to the > motorcyclist. I think it is dangerous either way. In fairness, I think > it should be the same rules for a car and a bike. I vote for NO lane > splitting for either. I recognize it seems a waste not to take > advantage of the opportunity to lane split but there are safety > concerns which also could included the "to keep the peace" reason not > to lane split. Your mention of the irate motorists illustrates that > point. > > -Mike > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > wrote: > > From: The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:39 PM > > Let's just say that I miss Los Angeles and its drivers a lot when I ride > > here in Denver. > > While I don't think they are the worst drivers in the country, they do > rank > > fairly high. For instance - it's illegal to lane-share here, but on > occation > > I filter up to a light. *every* time I do that, someone will get irate, > > screaming, waving fingers/arms and sometimes even break laws (speeding, > > unsafe pass etc) to "show me a lesson" I presume, by tailgating me. > > They do not leave room for lane splitters either, so I figure that it's a > > deep seated jealousy of those who don't have to be stuck in traffic. > > There's also a deeply rooted need to drive slower in the left lanes, > despite > > the law saying "unless passing, stay to the right". Highbeams won't help, > > honking doesn't help etc etc. > > Near my town I have a couple of round-abouts and there's always someone > > (like this morning) who refuses to stay in his/her lane and will > > 'straighten' the roundabout by going from the right lane entering to the > > left in the roundabout and exit out in the right lane again. > > One step removed from manslaughter, these morons. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_ KLR650@yahoogro > ups.com] On > > Behalf Of gbennett69 > > I have had 4 close encounters with pple over the last 12k miles of > riding in > > the jersey city area of pple deliberatley trying to cause accidents. > > What have your experiences been - noticed any patterns Garrett > bayonne, nj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

[Jeff Khoury]

In my experience, inattentive drivers fall demographically mostly into these categories: Women 16-25. Texting, Talking, Makeup, etc. Women 30's and 40's. All manner of kid-related distractions... big SUVs Men 16-25. Same as women Men late 20s - mid 30s. talking, aggressive driving. Men 30s-40s Holding business meetings, reading the stock pages, browsing the web. Out-of-staters (all). Don't realize lane sharing is legal and try to obstruct you. Some points about lanesharing I forgot to mention in my previous email are the "green" benefits. **I take up no space when lanesharing, "one less car" on the freeway. Doing my part to reduce traffic. It doesn't do you any good to drive a Prius if it takes you an hour plus to go 15 miles. **My engine runs for less time, reducing pollution. **I get awesome mileage compared to a car. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Douglas" To: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:08:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto In regards to the video, here is TX you can't go in/out of car pool lanes, I also think that crossing a double yellow line is also not a good thing. The way folks are driving now, with the laptop, cell-phone, kids, dogs, and probably a few more distractions I don't think I would be zipping through traffic, especially when the guy on one side is a 18wheeler? One point that other's have brought up is that some folks seem to think that bikes doing this are somehow 'cheating', which I have seen myself, inside my car and the car in front very clearly moving towards the center to 'block' the biker. When I see a biker coming up I tend to move to allow more room for the guy. I can understand jealously in a traffic jam and the biker is moving along and the cager is not but can't think of what's going on in someones head when they go out of their way to 'block' a biker! BTW, any input in regards to age/sex of folks doing this and other close calls, all of my close calls, someone pulling into your lane, in front of you from stop sign, etc have either been older men or women, both women were on the phone! > > > I must apologize, that comment was not directed at you alone... > > I've had a MC license since 1984 and a good amount of that time in > California. Lane sharing is an animal that is somewhat unique in > California, and the traffic here is abysmal. The people who say lane > sharing is inherently dangerous are flat wrong. Yes, some people bomb > between the lanes at 50mph. I'm not talking about them. > > If you do it prudently it IS more safe than sitting in traffic. You > will NEVER see a CHP motor officer sitting in traffic. NEVER. > > The CHP's "rule of thumb" when it comes to lane sharing is: > > "In traffic under 35mph you are allowed to share lanes and move not > more than 10mph faster than the flow of traffic. > > after traffic exceeds 35mph, you are obliged to re-join the flow of > traffic." > > -from a CHP friend of mine. > > from the CHP website: > > "Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a > safe and prudent manner." > > Here is a video of a motor officer doing it, from the perspective of a > sport biker following. > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhKWDYuMGiw > > > so, yes. I know of which I speak. > > -Jeff Khoury > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:01:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Well, first of all I'm disappointed to hear that you consider me to be > uneducated. > > I am educated enough from first hand experience that lane > splitting/sharing can be dangerous. > > You make some good points which I am already aware of as far as the > soccer moms and other idiots in their suvs etc and the risk of being > rear ended by them. I have also been a victim of being rear ended in > traffic while on my KLR and other bikes. So again I am educated in > that areas as well. > > The point of the CHP making it their policy, I have to laugh. I work > with the police department. > > Hey but I'm "uneducated" I guess. > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > wrote: > > From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > To: "MM" < m_matthews@yahoo. com > > Cc: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:16 PM > > Here in California, lane sharing is legal, and is the safest place to > be in traffic. > > Think about it: 90+% of accidents on the freeways are rear-enders in > traffic. The last place you want to be is sandwiched between two > soccer moms' SUVs because the one behind you is talking on the phone, > freshening her makeup, or the stock broker is reading the paper (Yes, > I've seen it). > > When traffic is slow or stopped, cars cannot change lanes as quickly > and you have a predictable path to travel. In addition, if you > maintain forward progress through traffic, the rear-enders will most > likely happen behind you or to the side of you... not into you. I've > had rear-enders happen next to me twice... lucky I was in between the > lanes and not in front of the inattentive driver. > > On top of that... I don't commute on my KLR - the bars are too wide. I > have an old Seca II which is skinny and fits through traffic better. > It's air-cooled and that forward progress is a must if I don't want to > overheat. > > Only the uneducated think that lanesharing is not safe. Au contraire.. > it's the best place to be, just ask the CHP - they do it as a matter > of policy. > > -Jeff Khoury > > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:02:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Here in New Jersey I believe that lane splitting is not legal. If a > motorcycle was to have any part of itself or the rider in my lane I > would not like it. It wouldn't be due to any deepseated jealously on > my part that is for sure. I would be agitated though. I also really > find it outrageous when I'm on my KLR and a car cuts into my lane or a > car passes me, often at high speed, in my own lane, when I am slowing > or stopping to make a left (and I'm properly signaling with t/s and a > bright LED stop light). > > The point I'm trying to make is I don't see how a motorcyclist can > think it's ok to lane split but not ok if a car does it to the > motorcyclist. I think it is dangerous either way. In fairness, I think > it should be the same rules for a car and a bike. I vote for NO lane > splitting for either. I recognize it seems a waste not to take > advantage of the opportunity to lane split but there are safety > concerns which also could included the "to keep the peace" reason not > to lane split. Your mention of the irate motorists illustrates that > point. > > -Mike > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > wrote: > > From: The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:39 PM > > Let's just say that I miss Los Angeles and its drivers a lot when I ride > > here in Denver. > > While I don't think they are the worst drivers in the country, they do > rank > > fairly high. For instance - it's illegal to lane-share here, but on > occation > > I filter up to a light. *every* time I do that, someone will get irate, > > screaming, waving fingers/arms and sometimes even break laws (speeding, > > unsafe pass etc) to "show me a lesson" I presume, by tailgating me. > > They do not leave room for lane splitters either, so I figure that it's a > > deep seated jealousy of those who don't have to be stuck in traffic. > > There's also a deeply rooted need to drive slower in the left lanes, > despite > > the law saying "unless passing, stay to the right". Highbeams won't help, > > honking doesn't help etc etc. > > Near my town I have a couple of round-abouts and there's always someone > > (like this morning) who refuses to stay in his/her lane and will > > 'straighten' the roundabout by going from the right lane entering to the > > left in the roundabout and exit out in the right lane again. > > One step removed from manslaughter, these morons. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_ KLR650@yahoogro > ups.com] On > > Behalf Of gbennett69 > > I have had 4 close encounters with pple over the last 12k miles of > riding in > > the jersey city area of pple deliberatley trying to cause accidents. > > What have your experiences been - noticed any patterns Garrett > bayonne, nj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

Sounds like drivin in them big cities can git scary. I sure is glad i live out in the sticks. Rick A17

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Khoury wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto To: "Jim Douglas" Cc: "DSN _KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:40 PM In my experience, inattentive drivers fall demographically mostly into these categories: Women 16-25. Texting, Talking, Makeup, etc. Women 30's and 40's. All manner of kid-related distractions. .. big SUVs Men 16-25. Same as women Men late 20s - mid 30s. talking, aggressive driving. Men 30s-40s Holding business meetings, reading the stock pages, browsing the web. Out-of-staters (all). Don't realize lane sharing is legal and try to obstruct you. Some points about lanesharing I forgot to mention in my previous email are the "green" benefits. **I take up no space when lanesharing, "one less car" on the freeway. Doing my part to reduce traffic. It doesn't do you any good to drive a Prius if it takes you an hour plus to go 15 miles. **My engine runs for less time, reducing pollution. **I get awesome mileage compared to a car. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Douglas" To: "DSN _KLR650" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:08:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto In regards to the video, here is TX you can't go in/out of car pool lanes, I also think that crossing a double yellow line is also not a good thing. The way folks are driving now, with the laptop, cell-phone, kids, dogs, and probably a few more distractions I don't think I would be zipping through traffic, especially when the guy on one side is a 18wheeler? One point that other's have brought up is that some folks seem to think that bikes doing this are somehow 'cheating', which I have seen myself, inside my car and the car in front very clearly moving towards the center to 'block' the biker. When I see a biker coming up I tend to move to allow more room for the guy. I can understand jealously in a traffic jam and the biker is moving along and the cager is not but can't think of what's going on in someones head when they go out of their way to 'block' a biker! BTW, any input in regards to age/sex of folks doing this and other close calls, all of my close calls, someone pulling into your lane, in front of you from stop sign, etc have either been older men or women, both women were on the phone! > > > I must apologize, that comment was not directed at you alone... > > I've had a MC license since 1984 and a good amount of that time in > California. Lane sharing is an animal that is somewhat unique in > California, and the traffic here is abysmal. The people who say lane > sharing is inherently dangerous are flat wrong. Yes, some people bomb > between the lanes at 50mph. I'm not talking about them. > > If you do it prudently it IS more safe than sitting in traffic. You > will NEVER see a CHP motor officer sitting in traffic. NEVER. > > The CHP's "rule of thumb" when it comes to lane sharing is: > > "In traffic under 35mph you are allowed to share lanes and move not > more than 10mph faster than the flow of traffic. > > after traffic exceeds 35mph, you are obliged to re-join the flow of > traffic." > > -from a CHP friend of mine. > > from the CHP website: > > "Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a > safe and prudent manner." > > Here is a video of a motor officer doing it, from the perspective of a > sport biker following. > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > < http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > > > so, yes. I know of which I speak. > > -Jeff Khoury > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:01:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Well, first of all I'm disappointed to hear that you consider me to be > uneducated. > > I am educated enough from first hand experience that lane > splitting/sharing can be dangerous. > > You make some good points which I am already aware of as far as the > soccer moms and other idiots in their suvs etc and the risk of being > rear ended by them. I have also been a victim of being rear ended in > traffic while on my KLR and other bikes. So again I am educated in > that areas as well. > > The point of the CHP making it their policy, I have to laugh. I work > with the police department. > > Hey but I'm "uneducated" I guess. > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > wrote: > > From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > To: "MM" < m_matthews@yahoo. com > > Cc: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:16 PM > > Here in California, lane sharing is legal, and is the safest place to > be in traffic. > > Think about it: 90+% of accidents on the freeways are rear-enders in > traffic. The last place you want to be is sandwiched between two > soccer moms' SUVs because the one behind you is talking on the phone, > freshening her makeup, or the stock broker is reading the paper (Yes, > I've seen it). > > When traffic is slow or stopped, cars cannot change lanes as quickly > and you have a predictable path to travel. In addition, if you > maintain forward progress through traffic, the rear-enders will most > likely happen behind you or to the side of you... not into you. I've > had rear-enders happen next to me twice... lucky I was in between the > lanes and not in front of the inattentive driver. > > On top of that... I don't commute on my KLR - the bars are too wide. I > have an old Seca II which is skinny and fits through traffic better. > It's air-cooled and that forward progress is a must if I don't want to > overheat. > > Only the uneducated think that lanesharing is not safe. Au contraire.. > it's the best place to be, just ask the CHP - they do it as a matter > of policy. > > -Jeff Khoury > > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:02:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Here in New Jersey I believe that lane splitting is not legal. If a > motorcycle was to have any part of itself or the rider in my lane I > would not like it. It wouldn't be due to any deepseated jealously on > my part that is for sure. I would be agitated though. I also really > find it outrageous when I'm on my KLR and a car cuts into my lane or a > car passes me, often at high speed, in my own lane, when I am slowing > or stopping to make a left (and I'm properly signaling with t/s and a > bright LED stop light). > > The point I'm trying to make is I don't see how a motorcyclist can > think it's ok to lane split but not ok if a car does it to the > motorcyclist. I think it is dangerous either way. In fairness, I think > it should be the same rules for a car and a bike. I vote for NO lane > splitting for either. I recognize it seems a waste not to take > advantage of the opportunity to lane split but there are safety > concerns which also could included the "to keep the peace" reason not > to lane split. Your mention of the irate motorists illustrates that > point. > > -Mike > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > wrote: > > From: The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:39 PM > > Let's just say that I miss Los Angeles and its drivers a lot when I ride > > here in Denver. > > While I don't think they are the worst drivers in the country, they do > rank > > fairly high. For instance - it's illegal to lane-share here, but on > occation > > I filter up to a light. *every* time I do that, someone will get irate, > > screaming, waving fingers/arms and sometimes even break laws (speeding, > > unsafe pass etc) to "show me a lesson" I presume, by tailgating me. > > They do not leave room for lane splitters either, so I figure that it's a > > deep seated jealousy of those who don't have to be stuck in traffic. > > There's also a deeply rooted need to drive slower in the left lanes, > despite > > the law saying "unless passing, stay to the right". Highbeams won't help, > > honking doesn't help etc etc. > > Near my town I have a couple of round-abouts and there's always someone > > (like this morning) who refuses to stay in his/her lane and will > > 'straighten' the roundabout by going from the right lane entering to the > > left in the roundabout and exit out in the right lane again. > > One step removed from manslaughter, these morons. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_ KLR650@yahoogro > ups.com] On > > Behalf Of gbennett69 > > I have had 4 close encounters with pple over the last 12k miles of > riding in > > the jersey city area of pple deliberatley trying to cause accidents. > > What have your experiences been - noticed any patterns Garrett > bayonne, nj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

Here's a typical stretch of midday traffic. Imagine rush hour... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI8Oav3WBKM -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: "dsn klr650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:48:26 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto Sounds like drivin in them big cities can git scary. I sure is glad i live out in the sticks. Rick A17 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@... > wrote: From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@... > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto To: "Jim Douglas" < james.douglas@... > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:40 PM In my experience, inattentive drivers fall demographically mostly into these categories: Women 16-25. Texting, Talking, Makeup, etc. Women 30's and 40's. All manner of kid-related distractions. .. big SUVs Men 16-25. Same as women Men late 20s - mid 30s. talking, aggressive driving. Men 30s-40s Holding business meetings, reading the stock pages, browsing the web. Out-of-staters (all). Don't realize lane sharing is legal and try to obstruct you. Some points about lanesharing I forgot to mention in my previous email are the "green" benefits. **I take up no space when lanesharing, "one less car" on the freeway. Doing my part to reduce traffic. It doesn't do you any good to drive a Prius if it takes you an hour plus to go 15 miles. **My engine runs for less time, reducing pollution. **I get awesome mileage compared to a car. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Douglas" To: "DSN _KLR650" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:08:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto In regards to the video, here is TX you can't go in/out of car pool lanes, I also think that crossing a double yellow line is also not a good thing. The way folks are driving now, with the laptop, cell-phone, kids, dogs, and probably a few more distractions I don't think I would be zipping through traffic, especially when the guy on one side is a 18wheeler? One point that other's have brought up is that some folks seem to think that bikes doing this are somehow 'cheating', which I have seen myself, inside my car and the car in front very clearly moving towards the center to 'block' the biker. When I see a biker coming up I tend to move to allow more room for the guy. I can understand jealously in a traffic jam and the biker is moving along and the cager is not but can't think of what's going on in someones head when they go out of their way to 'block' a biker! BTW, any input in regards to age/sex of folks doing this and other close calls, all of my close calls, someone pulling into your lane, in front of you from stop sign, etc have either been older men or women, both women were on the phone! > > > I must apologize, that comment was not directed at you alone... > > I've had a MC license since 1984 and a good amount of that time in > California. Lane sharing is an animal that is somewhat unique in > California, and the traffic here is abysmal. The people who say lane > sharing is inherently dangerous are flat wrong. Yes, some people bomb > between the lanes at 50mph. I'm not talking about them. > > If you do it prudently it IS more safe than sitting in traffic. You > will NEVER see a CHP motor officer sitting in traffic. NEVER. > > The CHP's "rule of thumb" when it comes to lane sharing is: > > "In traffic under 35mph you are allowed to share lanes and move not > more than 10mph faster than the flow of traffic. > > after traffic exceeds 35mph, you are obliged to re-join the flow of > traffic." > > -from a CHP friend of mine. > > from the CHP website: > > "Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a > safe and prudent manner." > > Here is a video of a motor officer doing it, from the perspective of a > sport biker following. > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > < http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > > > so, yes. I know of which I speak. > > -Jeff Khoury > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:01:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Well, first of all I'm disappointed to hear that you consider me to be > uneducated. > > I am educated enough from first hand experience that lane > splitting/sharing can be dangerous. > > You make some good points which I am already aware of as far as the > soccer moms and other idiots in their suvs etc and the risk of being > rear ended by them. I have also been a victim of being rear ended in > traffic while on my KLR and other bikes. So again I am educated in > that areas as well. > > The point of the CHP making it their policy, I have to laugh. I work > with the police department. > > Hey but I'm "uneducated" I guess. > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > wrote: > > From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > To: "MM" < m_matthews@yahoo. com > > Cc: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:16 PM > > Here in California, lane sharing is legal, and is the safest place to > be in traffic. > > Think about it: 90+% of accidents on the freeways are rear-enders in > traffic. The last place you want to be is sandwiched between two > soccer moms' SUVs because the one behind you is talking on the phone, > freshening her makeup, or the stock broker is reading the paper (Yes, > I've seen it). > > When traffic is slow or stopped, cars cannot change lanes as quickly > and you have a predictable path to travel. In addition, if you > maintain forward progress through traffic, the rear-enders will most > likely happen behind you or to the side of you... not into you. I've > had rear-enders happen next to me twice... lucky I was in between the > lanes and not in front of the inattentive driver. > > On top of that... I don't commute on my KLR - the bars are too wide. I > have an old Seca II which is skinny and fits through traffic better. > It's air-cooled and that forward progress is a must if I don't want to > overheat. > > Only the uneducated think that lanesharing is not safe. Au contraire.. > it's the best place to be, just ask the CHP - they do it as a matter > of policy. > > -Jeff Khoury > > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:02:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Here in New Jersey I believe that lane splitting is not legal. If a > motorcycle was to have any part of itself or the rider in my lane I > would not like it. It wouldn't be due to any deepseated jealously on > my part that is for sure. I would be agitated though. I also really > find it outrageous when I'm on my KLR and a car cuts into my lane or a > car passes me, often at high speed, in my own lane, when I am slowing > or stopping to make a left (and I'm properly signaling with t/s and a > bright LED stop light). > > The point I'm trying to make is I don't see how a motorcyclist can > think it's ok to lane split but not ok if a car does it to the > motorcyclist. I think it is dangerous either way. In fairness, I think > it should be the same rules for a car and a bike. I vote for NO lane > splitting for either. I recognize it seems a waste not to take > advantage of the opportunity to lane split but there are safety > concerns which also could included the "to keep the peace" reason not > to lane split. Your mention of the irate motorists illustrates that > point. > > -Mike > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > wrote: > > From: The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:39 PM > > Let's just say that I miss Los Angeles and its drivers a lot when I ride > > here in Denver. > > While I don't think they are the worst drivers in the country, they do > rank > > fairly high. For instance - it's illegal to lane-share here, but on > occation > > I filter up to a light. *every* time I do that, someone will get irate, > > screaming, waving fingers/arms and sometimes even break laws (speeding, > > unsafe pass etc) to "show me a lesson" I presume, by tailgating me. > > They do not leave room for lane splitters either, so I figure that it's a > > deep seated jealousy of those who don't have to be stuck in traffic. > > There's also a deeply rooted need to drive slower in the left lanes, > despite > > the law saying "unless passing, stay to the right". Highbeams won't help, > > honking doesn't help etc etc. > > Near my town I have a couple of round-abouts and there's always someone > > (like this morning) who refuses to stay in his/her lane and will > > 'straighten' the roundabout by going from the right lane entering to the > > left in the roundabout and exit out in the right lane again. > > One step removed from manslaughter, these morons. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_ KLR650@yahoogro > ups.com] On > > Behalf Of gbennett69 > > I have had 4 close encounters with pple over the last 12k miles of > riding in > > the jersey city area of pple deliberatley trying to cause accidents. > > What have your experiences been - noticed any patterns Garrett > bayonne, nj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

Watching that made me kringe. If I tried that here, I wouldn't last long. Besides it isn't legal here. Rick A17

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Khoury wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto To: "Rick McCauley" Cc: "dsn klr650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:48 PM Here's a typical stretch of midday traffic. Imagine rush hour... http://www.youtube com/watch? v=lI8Oav3WBKM -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: "dsn klr650" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:48:26 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto Sounds like drivin in them big cities can git scary. I sure is glad i live out in the sticks. Rick A17 --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > wrote: From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto To: "Jim Douglas" < james.douglas@ genesis-software .com > Cc: "DSN _KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:40 PM In my experience, inattentive drivers fall demographically mostly into these categories: Women 16-25. Texting, Talking, Makeup, etc. Women 30's and 40's. All manner of kid-related distractions. .. big SUVs Men 16-25. Same as women Men late 20s - mid 30s. talking, aggressive driving. Men 30s-40s Holding business meetings, reading the stock pages, browsing the web. Out-of-staters (all). Don't realize lane sharing is legal and try to obstruct you. Some points about lanesharing I forgot to mention in my previous email are the "green" benefits. **I take up no space when lanesharing, "one less car" on the freeway. Doing my part to reduce traffic. It doesn't do you any good to drive a Prius if it takes you an hour plus to go 15 miles. **My engine runs for less time, reducing pollution. **I get awesome mileage compared to a car. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Douglas" To: "DSN _KLR650" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:08:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto In regards to the video, here is TX you can't go in/out of car pool lanes, I also think that crossing a double yellow line is also not a good thing. The way folks are driving now, with the laptop, cell-phone, kids, dogs, and probably a few more distractions I don't think I would be zipping through traffic, especially when the guy on one side is a 18wheeler? One point that other's have brought up is that some folks seem to think that bikes doing this are somehow 'cheating', which I have seen myself, inside my car and the car in front very clearly moving towards the center to 'block' the biker. When I see a biker coming up I tend to move to allow more room for the guy. I can understand jealously in a traffic jam and the biker is moving along and the cager is not but can't think of what's going on in someones head when they go out of their way to 'block' a biker! BTW, any input in regards to age/sex of folks doing this and other close calls, all of my close calls, someone pulling into your lane, in front of you from stop sign, etc have either been older men or women, both women were on the phone! > > > I must apologize, that comment was not directed at you alone... > > I've had a MC license since 1984 and a good amount of that time in > California. Lane sharing is an animal that is somewhat unique in > California, and the traffic here is abysmal. The people who say lane > sharing is inherently dangerous are flat wrong. Yes, some people bomb > between the lanes at 50mph. I'm not talking about them. > > If you do it prudently it IS more safe than sitting in traffic. You > will NEVER see a CHP motor officer sitting in traffic. NEVER. > > The CHP's "rule of thumb" when it comes to lane sharing is: > > "In traffic under 35mph you are allowed to share lanes and move not > more than 10mph faster than the flow of traffic. > > after traffic exceeds 35mph, you are obliged to re-join the flow of > traffic." > > -from a CHP friend of mine. > > from the CHP website: > > "Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a > safe and prudent manner." > > Here is a video of a motor officer doing it, from the perspective of a > sport biker following. > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > < http://www.youtube com/watch? v=jhKWDYuMGiw > > > so, yes. I know of which I speak. > > -Jeff Khoury > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:01:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Well, first of all I'm disappointed to hear that you consider me to be > uneducated. > > I am educated enough from first hand experience that lane > splitting/sharing can be dangerous. > > You make some good points which I am already aware of as far as the > soccer moms and other idiots in their suvs etc and the risk of being > rear ended by them. I have also been a victim of being rear ended in > traffic while on my KLR and other bikes. So again I am educated in > that areas as well. > > The point of the CHP making it their policy, I have to laugh. I work > with the police department. > > Hey but I'm "uneducated" I guess. > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > wrote: > > From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@astatic. net > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > To: "MM" < m_matthews@yahoo. com > > Cc: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:16 PM > > Here in California, lane sharing is legal, and is the safest place to > be in traffic. > > Think about it: 90+% of accidents on the freeways are rear-enders in > traffic. The last place you want to be is sandwiched between two > soccer moms' SUVs because the one behind you is talking on the phone, > freshening her makeup, or the stock broker is reading the paper (Yes, > I've seen it). > > When traffic is slow or stopped, cars cannot change lanes as quickly > and you have a predictable path to travel. In addition, if you > maintain forward progress through traffic, the rear-enders will most > likely happen behind you or to the side of you... not into you. I've > had rear-enders happen next to me twice... lucky I was in between the > lanes and not in front of the inattentive driver. > > On top of that... I don't commute on my KLR - the bars are too wide. I > have an old Seca II which is skinny and fits through traffic better. > It's air-cooled and that forward progress is a must if I don't want to > overheat. > > Only the uneducated think that lanesharing is not safe. Au contraire.. > it's the best place to be, just ask the CHP - they do it as a matter > of policy. > > -Jeff Khoury > > Astatic Solutions, LLC. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MM" > > To: "DSN KLR650" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:02:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > Here in New Jersey I believe that lane splitting is not legal. If a > motorcycle was to have any part of itself or the rider in my lane I > would not like it. It wouldn't be due to any deepseated jealously on > my part that is for sure. I would be agitated though. I also really > find it outrageous when I'm on my KLR and a car cuts into my lane or a > car passes me, often at high speed, in my own lane, when I am slowing > or stopping to make a left (and I'm properly signaling with t/s and a > bright LED stop light). > > The point I'm trying to make is I don't see how a motorcyclist can > think it's ok to lane split but not ok if a car does it to the > motorcyclist. I think it is dangerous either way. In fairness, I think > it should be the same rules for a car and a bike. I vote for NO lane > splitting for either. I recognize it seems a waste not to take > advantage of the opportunity to lane split but there are safety > concerns which also could included the "to keep the peace" reason not > to lane split. Your mention of the irate motorists illustrates that > point. > > -Mike > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > wrote: > > From: The Reverend < reverend@robdiesel. com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NJ Murderer charged with death by auto > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 3:39 PM > > Let's just say that I miss Los Angeles and its drivers a lot when I ride > > here in Denver. > > While I don't think they are the worst drivers in the country, they do > rank > > fairly high. For instance - it's illegal to lane-share here, but on > occation > > I filter up to a light. *every* time I do that, someone will get irate, > > screaming, waving fingers/arms and sometimes even break laws (speeding, > > unsafe pass etc) to "show me a lesson" I presume, by tailgating me. > > They do not leave room for lane splitters either, so I figure that it's a > > deep seated jealousy of those who don't have to be stuck in traffic. > > There's also a deeply rooted need to drive slower in the left lanes, > despite > > the law saying "unless passing, stay to the right". Highbeams won't help, > > honking doesn't help etc etc. > > Near my town I have a couple of round-abouts and there's always someone > > (like this morning) who refuses to stay in his/her lane and will > > 'straighten' the roundabout by going from the right lane entering to the > > left in the roundabout and exit out in the right lane again. > > One step removed from manslaughter, these morons. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_ KLR650@yahoogro > ups.com] On > > Behalf Of gbennett69 > > I have had 4 close encounters with pple over the last 12k miles of > riding in > > the jersey city area of pple deliberatley trying to cause accidents. > > What have your experiences been - noticed any patterns Garrett > bayonne, nj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[k650]

> Walt, > > My Clymers manual number M474-3 (cover top right corner) for KLR650 > 1987-2007 says it's 188-192 mm. That's on page 266, table 2. > > My Clymers manual number M474 (cover top right corner) for KLR650 > 1987-2003 says 188-192 mm again on page 266, table 2. > > My factory service manual (basic) for '84 KLR600 say 170 +/- 2mm on page > 11-4. > > The factory service manual (supplement) for '87-95 KLR650 and KLR500 say > 190 +/- 2mm on page 11-4. > > My factory service manual (supplement) for 1987-2003 KLR650 and KLR500 > says 190 +/- 2mm on page 11-4. > > Looking in section 17 of the most recent factory manual (supplement) I > have (1987-2003) I don't see any reference to changing the spec for the > forks. That doesn't mean it's not there but I didn't see it in my quick > look. > > I'd sure appreciate it if you could provide a reference for the 170mm > spec. I'd like to make sure I know what the factory is suggesting and > don't have a factory manual newer than 2003. > > Thanks for your consideration. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline >

Jeff, I saw it in a supplement. Thought it was 2003 but since you have that and it is not in it then it has to be one that is newer. Someone had posted a link to the PDF of it. I have it on a drive but cannot get to it right now. I think the most recent supplement is Kawasaki part# 99924-1080-64 (1987-2007). If anybody has a supplement from 2004 to 2007 perhaps they can check and report back? Walt

[The Reverend]

Nice and smooth splitting. I'm not used to seeing messengers moving that slow though, they seem to move a lot quicker than that. Although, it might be dumb to have video evidence of transgressions. The 10E is in horrible condition. Just like I remember it. When I was out early, I often took the 405 from Redondo Beach to Woodland Hills, but when I had more time and wanted more fun, I'd take PCH North through Santa Monica and through Topanga Canyon rd over the hill. Ahh, good times. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Khoury Here's a typical stretch of midday traffic. Imagine rush hour... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI8Oav3WBKM