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Steve Green
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louder exhaust logic (nklr)

Post by Steve Green » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:57 am

Kip, I think LOUD pipes probably do get you noticed sooner thus are safer for the motorcycle rider. However, it is not just about the safety of the motorcycle rider. We share this world with others and the impact of the excessive noise on the environment and other people, etc is just too great. Steve --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kip C. Anderson" wrote:
> I just have one last point to make on this issue that I apparently
don't
> understand for some twisted reason: Why is it that a group of
people often
> so concerned about safety, who might wear reflective vests, employ
strobing
> headlights, take MSF courses, and advocate wearing proper gear for
riding,
> can't see the loudness of an exhaust as an additional safety item? > > Please forget about the semantics of right or wrong, annoying or
not, and
> just answer me by what logic is additional noise not an added
benefit to
> safety while riding? > > Forget about citing studies that did not show it made a difference
and use
> your brain before responding. Flames or emotional arguments will
be
> ignored. > > - > Kip > Eugene, OR

Chris Norloff
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louder exhaust logic (nklr)

Post by Chris Norloff » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:28 am

More noise can definitely help - that's why I put loud horns on my vehicles. The main disadvantage of loud pipes is they're loud all the time. And noise is the no. 1 or no. 2 reason for motorcycle bans. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kip C. Anderson" Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:01:12 -0700
>I just have one last point to make on this issue that I apparently don't >understand for some twisted reason: Why is it that a group of people often >so concerned about safety, who might wear reflective vests, employ strobing >headlights, take MSF courses, and advocate wearing proper gear for riding, >can't see the loudness of an exhaust as an additional safety item? > >Please forget about the semantics of right or wrong, annoying or not, and >just answer me by what logic is additional noise not an added benefit to >safety while riding? > >Forget about citing studies that did not show it made a difference and use >your brain before responding. Flames or emotional arguments will be >ignored. > >- >Kip >Eugene, OR > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

ron criswell
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louder exhaust logic (nklr)

Post by ron criswell » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:03 am

What are you smoking up there Zac? Funniest thing I ever saw (one of the funniest) was a Harley guy with his girl on back leaving a bar (not dressed for crashing) and he had the biggest, fattest, probably expensive seegar between his lips glowing like a sparkler at speed. I guess he was burning money to impress his chick. Criswell
On Tuesday, August 9, 2005, at 06:23 PM, Ramey wrote: > Applying logic, I can hear a harley going much better then coming. So, > what > if the pipes faced forward? Sound backwards, but the sound would > actually be > forward, towards where you are riding to rather then from. Don't think > it > would affect performance if the pipes exited sideways. Zac > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Rick McCauley > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:09 PM > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Louder exhaust logic (NKLR) > > > Maybe because all the cagers out there that are sick and tired of > listening > to loud pipes, will hear you coming and take that moment to get even. > The > they could just tell the cop they didn't see you. ;-) > > "Kip C. Anderson" wrote:I just have one last > point to > make on this issue that I apparently don't > understand for some twisted reason: Why is it that a group of people > often > so concerned about safety, who might wear reflective vests, employ > strobing > headlights, take MSF courses, and advocate wearing proper gear for > riding, > can't see the loudness of an exhaust as an additional safety item? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

fasteddiecopeman
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kawasaki fastener quality

Post by fasteddiecopeman » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:04 pm

Jim, I USED to be a fastener 'expert' many years ago, so I'll try. From less-to-more, North American fasteners are GENERALLY Grd 2, Grd 5 and Grd 8, each becoming progressivly harder. IE - crank each, one at a time, into a nut till something gives. USUALLY the Grd 2 will break while the Grd 8 will fail the nut as it's harder than the nut, w/ Grd 5 in the middle. Having said that, a Grd 2 will deform but not necessarily break when subjected to a 'lateral' (sideways) force, but a Grd 8 will probably break from the sideways force BEFORE deforming (bending), so either one may be the WRONG bolt, depending on the application. Work hardening, for example, happens to your copper drain plug gasket after it's been used, where it no longer will conform to irregularities in the surface as it hardens and leaks or 'seeps' (heat it red hot w/ a torch and drop into water to anneal it, which re-softens it for re-use). Hope this helps (and if I'm off some sharp-eyed KLRista will correct me! Ed
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote: > What does hardness have to do with a broken bolt? How can a bolt be > soft? What is work hardened? What makes a good quality bolt? > > Thanks, > > Jim A17 > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "wannabsmooth1" wrote: > > I've hardness tested several of the fasteners, from different bikes. > > Many of the fasteners do qualify for the "compressed oatmeal" > > category. Ex: a local guy called me to see if I had some spare triple > > clamp bolts, as his had twisted off. Just for grins, I hardness tested > > them. They were some of the softest bolts I had ever tested, that were > > made of steel. This was even after they had work hardened a little, > > due to the stretch. I'm pretty sure these were "torqued" by hand at > > some point, leading to the above result. > > > > The rotor bolt is a good quality, bolt. The early subframe bolts > > were/are soft. Later subframe bolts are better, but still easy to > upgrade. > > > > A torque wrench is fairly important for working on some of this stuff. > > Some people think their particular feel is better than a torque > > wrench. Several years ago when I was a quality control manager in an > > aerospace manufacturing facility, I read a report of a test of > > mechanic's feel vs actual torque readings. Experienced wrenches....... > > Results were quite varied. Large fasteners were usually under-torqued, > > small ones over-torqued. > > > > Many of the fasteners on the KLR fall into the "smaller" classification. > > > > All the best, > > > > Mike > > Eagle Mfg & Eng since 1990 > > San Diego, Ca

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