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[Kelly Walsh]

Amigos, Amigettes, In the true spirit of bringing everyone together, I'd like to invite the list to visit my little country, Nuevo Mexico. It's nestled amongst moutains, plains and deserts, has great beaches, and you don't currently need a special visa. The border controls are quite modest, and with some effort, the local language will become your preferred mode of communication. You can drink the water (if you can find it) and our "El President " uses force only when necessary. Come... Visit the Republica Democratica de Nuevo Mexico. Kelly Walsh Santa Fe (the country's capitol). --- Giorgio Trucco wrote:

> > CA Stu, please accept my apologies. > I thought your was going to be the usual question: > "where do you live?" > "in CA" > "so why don't you go back to your country?" > > You have no idea how many times I've heard this... > > I like this country, I came here in 99. > There are many things that I love about it, and many > others that I can't > quite understand, like I do with many things in my > own country and all > the other countries I visited. > That's all. > > Giorgio > El Segundo, CA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@...] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:04 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > Giorgio! Give me a break, man! I looked through your > previous posts to > see if you had already mentione where you live, I > didn't see. > > I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean anything other > than to find out where > you live. > To find out if you are posting from Italy or from > the USA is my only > point in asking this question. Of course, it's easy > to question another > country's culture and customs from abroad, I lived > in the UK for 13 > years. I have been to France several times, Greece a > few times, Israel, > Cyprus, Italy, and of course Mexico and Canada, all > as a private > citizen, not as part of the military. I like to > think I have a pretty > broad and semi-well traveled view of the world. > For an American, of course > > Once again, where do you live? > > Thanks > CA Stu > Riverisde CA > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Trucco" > > wrote: > > CA Stu, come on... > > This is the usual stupid question I always get at > some point. > > I'm always ready for it, and I normally let it > pass... > > If we loose the pleasure to exchange ideas, defend > them most of the > > times, and change them a very few times, then we > are really lost! > > Come on, ask me something else, it's really beyond > the point, on > > another planet I would say. > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@s...] > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:45 PM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > > > Giorgio, refresh my memory, where do you live > presently? > > > > Thanks > > CA Stu > > Riverside CA > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio > Trucco" > > wrote: > > > It's interesting to note that things that in > Europe are considered > > > "human rights", in the US are considered things > that you can afford, > > > > or not. > > > And there is no discussion that can convince > each part of the resons > > > > of the other part. It all has to do with what > kind of education you > > > received when you were a kid, what you've been > taught at school, how > > > > did you see your father live and work. > > > What strikes me is that most (or at least many) > Americans who > > > strongly > > > > > defend the "way things are", have never really > come to know other > > > systems. > > > And it's not hard to understand why. > > > With 15 days of PTO a year (because you have no > rights in a private > > > enterprise, right?), it's hard to spend 5 weeks > in Finland, or > > > France, > > > > > or Switzerland, or Holland and still have a job > when you come back. > > > So most of them will just afford a trip to > Vegas, or Hawaii, where > > > they won't find anything with the potential to > challenge their > > believes. > > > > > > Last year I run into a bank teller that asked me > what country my > > "Euros" > > > were from... > > > A bank teller!! Hello???? > > > At a UPS store the guy couldn't find > London-England in the system, > > > so I told him: "Try London-Great Britain". He > asked me: "London is > > > in Great Britain?" > > > > > > What future can have a society that doesn't > value (and protect from > > > private enterprises) the time that a mother > spend with her newborn? > > > Every day I see pregnant coworkers showing up at > work exhausted, > > > with gigantic bellies, up to 2 or 3 days before > the delivery, > > > dragging their feet around tired to death, just > because they are > > > scared of being laid-off. > > > You might think this is the only and the best > possible way for > > > things to be. > > > Believe me, it is not and the "voice of reason" > can be a very > > > different one, depending on who you talk to. > > > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe > > by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by > sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

[CA Stu]

Totally accepted, it's difficult to get a person's tone of voice over an email... I agree with you, it's an asinine question when followed up with the standard "go back to your own country" followup. Not my style, man... There are aspects of English life I miss and enjoy, and honestly prefer to the American lifestyle (public transport, parks, and pubs to name a few) but I choose to live in the US because as a whole, it's the best country in the world in my opinion. Cheers CA Stu

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Trucco" wrote: > CA Stu, please accept my apologies. > I thought your was going to be the usual question: > "where do you live?" > "in CA" > "so why don't you go back to your country?" > > You have no idea how many times I've heard this... > > I like this country, I came here in 99. > There are many things that I love about it, and many others that I can't > quite understand, like I do with many things in my own country and all > the other countries I visited. > That's all. > > Giorgio > El Segundo, CA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@s...] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:04 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > Giorgio! Give me a break, man! I looked through your previous posts to > see if you had already mentione where you live, I didn't see. > > I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean anything other than to find out where > you live. > To find out if you are posting from Italy or from the USA is my only > point in asking this question. Of course, it's easy to question another > country's culture and customs from abroad, I lived in the UK for 13 > years. I have been to France several times, Greece a few times, Israel, > Cyprus, Italy, and of course Mexico and Canada, all as a private > citizen, not as part of the military. I like to think I have a pretty > broad and semi-well traveled view of the world. > For an American, of course > > Once again, where do you live? > > Thanks > CA Stu > Riverisde CA > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Trucco" > wrote: > > CA Stu, come on... > > This is the usual stupid question I always get at some point. > > I'm always ready for it, and I normally let it pass... > > If we loose the pleasure to exchange ideas, defend them most of the > > times, and change them a very few times, then we are really lost! > > Come on, ask me something else, it's really beyond the point, on > > another planet I would say. > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@s...] > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:45 PM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > > > Giorgio, refresh my memory, where do you live presently? > > > > Thanks > > CA Stu > > Riverside CA > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Trucco" > > wrote: > > > It's interesting to note that things that in Europe are considered > > > "human rights", in the US are considered things that you can afford, > > > > or not. > > > And there is no discussion that can convince each part of the resons > > > > of the other part. It all has to do with what kind of education you > > > received when you were a kid, what you've been taught at school, how > > > > did you see your father live and work. > > > What strikes me is that most (or at least many) Americans who > > > strongly > > > > > defend the "way things are", have never really come to know other > > > systems. > > > And it's not hard to understand why. > > > With 15 days of PTO a year (because you have no rights in a private > > > enterprise, right?), it's hard to spend 5 weeks in Finland, or > > > France, > > > > > or Switzerland, or Holland and still have a job when you come back. > > > So most of them will just afford a trip to Vegas, or Hawaii, where > > > they won't find anything with the potential to challenge their > > believes. > > > > > > Last year I run into a bank teller that asked me what country my > > "Euros" > > > were from... > > > A bank teller!! Hello???? > > > At a UPS store the guy couldn't find London-England in the system, > > > so I told him: "Try London-Great Britain". He asked me: "London is > > > in Great Britain?" > > > > > > What future can have a society that doesn't value (and protect from > > > private enterprises) the time that a mother spend with her newborn? > > > Every day I see pregnant coworkers showing up at work exhausted, > > > with gigantic bellies, up to 2 or 3 days before the delivery, > > > dragging their feet around tired to death, just because they are > > > scared of being laid-off. > > > You might think this is the only and the best possible way for > > > things to be. > > > Believe me, it is not and the "voice of reason" can be a very > > > different one, depending on who you talk to. > > > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe > > by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by > sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

[Harry Seifert]

Ah, Senor. It's too bad that the shore break at your beaches is full of rocks. Or perhaps you were speaking of the beaches in the cantinas...............you know, thee virgin ones, no? Nuevo Mexico, the Land of Enchantresses!

> [Original Message] > From: Kelly Walsh > To: Giorgio Trucco ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 10/28/2004 2:27:52 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > Amigos, Amigettes, > In the true spirit of bringing everyone together, I'd > like to invite the list to visit my little country, > Nuevo Mexico. It's nestled amongst moutains, plains > and deserts, has great beaches, and you don't > currently need a special visa. The border controls are > quite modest, and with some effort, the local language > will become your preferred mode of communication. You > can drink the water (if you can find it) and our "El > President " uses force only when necessary. > > Come... Visit the Republica Democratica de Nuevo > Mexico. > > Kelly Walsh > Santa Fe (the country's capitol). > --- Giorgio Trucco wrote: > > > > > CA Stu, please accept my apologies. > > I thought your was going to be the usual question: > > "where do you live?" > > "in CA" > > "so why don't you go back to your country?" > > > > You have no idea how many times I've heard this... > > > > I like this country, I came here in 99. > > There are many things that I love about it, and many > > others that I can't > > quite understand, like I do with many things in my > > own country and all > > the other countries I visited. > > That's all. > > > > Giorgio > > El Segundo, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@...] > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:04 PM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > > > Giorgio! Give me a break, man! I looked through your > > previous posts to > > see if you had already mentione where you live, I > > didn't see. > > > > I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean anything other > > than to find out where > > you live. > > To find out if you are posting from Italy or from > > the USA is my only > > point in asking this question. Of course, it's easy > > to question another > > country's culture and customs from abroad, I lived > > in the UK for 13 > > years. I have been to France several times, Greece a > > few times, Israel, > > Cyprus, Italy, and of course Mexico and Canada, all > > as a private > > citizen, not as part of the military. I like to > > think I have a pretty > > broad and semi-well traveled view of the world. > > For an American, of course > > > > Once again, where do you live? > > > > Thanks > > CA Stu > > Riverisde CA > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Trucco" > > > > wrote: > > > CA Stu, come on... > > > This is the usual stupid question I always get at > > some point. > > > I'm always ready for it, and I normally let it > > pass... > > > If we loose the pleasure to exchange ideas, defend > > them most of the > > > times, and change them a very few times, then we > > are really lost! > > > Come on, ask me something else, it's really beyond > > the point, on > > > another planet I would say. > > > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@s...] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:45 PM > > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > > > > > > > Giorgio, refresh my memory, where do you live > > presently? > > > > > > Thanks > > > CA Stu > > > Riverside CA > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio > > Trucco" > > > wrote: > > > > It's interesting to note that things that in > > Europe are considered > > > > "human rights", in the US are considered things > > that you can afford, > > > > > > or not. > > > > And there is no discussion that can convince > > each part of the resons > > > > > > of the other part. It all has to do with what > > kind of education you > > > > received when you were a kid, what you've been > > taught at school, how > > > > > > did you see your father live and work. > > > > What strikes me is that most (or at least many) > > Americans who > > > > strongly > > > > > > > defend the "way things are", have never really > > come to know other > > > > systems. > > > > And it's not hard to understand why. > > > > With 15 days of PTO a year (because you have no > > rights in a private > > > > enterprise, right?), it's hard to spend 5 weeks > > in Finland, or > > > > France, > > > > > > > or Switzerland, or Holland and still have a job > > when you come back. > > > > So most of them will just afford a trip to > > Vegas, or Hawaii, where > > > > they won't find anything with the potential to > > challenge their > > > believes. > > > > > > > > Last year I run into a bank teller that asked me > > what country my > > > "Euros" > > > > were from... > > > > A bank teller!! Hello???? > > > > At a UPS store the guy couldn't find > > London-England in the system, > > > > so I told him: "Try London-Great Britain". He > > asked me: "London is > > > > in Great Britain?" > > > > > > > > What future can have a society that doesn't > > value (and protect from > > > > private enterprises) the time that a mother > > spend with her newborn? > > > > Every day I see pregnant coworkers showing up at > > work exhausted, > > > > with gigantic bellies, up to 2 or 3 days before > > the delivery, > > > > dragging their feet around tired to death, just > > because they are > > > > scared of being laid-off. > > > > You might think this is the only and the best > > possible way for > > > > things to be. > > > > Believe me, it is not and the "voice of reason" > > can be a very > > > > different one, depending on who you talk to. > > > > > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe > > > by sending a blank message to: > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by > > sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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[Kelly Walsh]

We would never dare to call them that. Those mamasitas might be carrying. KW SF, NM --- Harry Seifert wrote:

> > Ah, Senor. > > It's too bad that the shore break at your beaches is > full of rocks. Or > perhaps you were speaking of the beaches in the > cantinas...............you > know, thee virgin ones, no? > > Nuevo Mexico, the Land of Enchantresses! > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Kelly Walsh > > To: Giorgio Trucco ; > DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 10/28/2004 2:27:52 PM > > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > Amigos, Amigettes, > > In the true spirit of bringing everyone together, > I'd > > like to invite the list to visit my little > country, > > Nuevo Mexico. It's nestled amongst moutains, > plains > > and deserts, has great beaches, and you don't > > currently need a special visa. The border controls > are > > quite modest, and with some effort, the local > language > > will become your preferred mode of communication. > You > > can drink the water (if you can find it) and our > "El > > President " uses force only when necessary. > > > > Come... Visit the Republica Democratica de Nuevo > > Mexico. > > > > Kelly Walsh > > Santa Fe (the country's capitol). > > --- Giorgio Trucco wrote: > > > > > > > > CA Stu, please accept my apologies. > > > I thought your was going to be the usual > question: > > > "where do you live?" > > > "in CA" > > > "so why don't you go back to your country?" > > > > > > You have no idea how many times I've heard > this... > > > > > > I like this country, I came here in 99. > > > There are many things that I love about it, and > many > > > others that I can't > > > quite understand, like I do with many things in > my > > > own country and all > > > the other countries I visited. > > > That's all. > > > > > > Giorgio > > > El Segundo, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@...] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:04 PM > > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > > > > > > > Giorgio! Give me a break, man! I looked through > your > > > previous posts to > > > see if you had already mentione where you live, > I > > > didn't see. > > > > > > I'm sorry, I certainly didn't mean anything > other > > > than to find out where > > > you live. > > > To find out if you are posting from Italy or > from > > > the USA is my only > > > point in asking this question. Of course, it's > easy > > > to question another > > > country's culture and customs from abroad, I > lived > > > in the UK for 13 > > > years. I have been to France several times, > Greece a > > > few times, Israel, > > > Cyprus, Italy, and of course Mexico and Canada, > all > > > as a private > > > citizen, not as part of the military. I like to > > > think I have a pretty > > > broad and semi-well traveled view of the world. > > > For an American, of course > > > > > > Once again, where do you live? > > > > > > Thanks > > > CA Stu > > > Riverisde CA > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio > Trucco" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > CA Stu, come on... > > > > This is the usual stupid question I always get > at > > > some point. > > > > I'm always ready for it, and I normally let it > > > pass... > > > > If we loose the pleasure to exchange ideas, > defend > > > them most of the > > > > times, and change them a very few times, then > we > > > are really lost! > > > > Come on, ask me something else, it's really > beyond > > > the point, on > > > > another planet I would say. > > > > > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: CA Stu [mailto:s2mumford@s...] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:45 PM > > > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Giorgio, refresh my memory, where do you live > > > presently? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > CA Stu > > > > Riverside CA > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio > > > Trucco" > > > > wrote: > > > > > It's interesting to note that things that in > > > Europe are considered > > > > > "human rights", in the US are considered > things > > > that you can afford, > > > > > > > > or not. > > > > > And there is no discussion that can convince > > > each part of the resons > > > > > > > > of the other part. It all has to do with > what > > > kind of education you > > > > > received when you were a kid, what you've > been > > > taught at school, how > > > > > > > > did you see your father live and work. > > > > > What strikes me is that most (or at least > many) > > > Americans who > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > defend the "way things are", have never > really > > > come to know other > > > > > systems. > > > > > And it's not hard to understand why. > > > > > With 15 days of PTO a year (because you have > no > > > rights in a private > > > > > enterprise, right?), it's hard to spend 5 > weeks > > > in Finland, or > > > > > France, > > > > > > > > > or Switzerland, or Holland and still have a > job > > > when you come back. > > > > > So most of them will just afford a trip to > > > Vegas, or Hawaii, where > > > > > they won't find anything with the potential > to > > > challenge their > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > > > Last year I run into a bank teller that > asked me > > > what country my > > > > "Euros" > > > > > were from... > > > > > A bank teller!! Hello???? > > > > > At a UPS store the guy couldn't find > > > London-England in the system, > > > > > so I told him: "Try London-Great Britain". > He > > > asked me: "London is > > > > > in Great Britain?" > > > > > > > > > > What future can have a society that doesn't > > > value (and protect from > > > > > private enterprises) the time that a mother > > > spend with her newborn? > > > > > Every day I see pregnant coworkers showing > up at > > > work exhausted, > > > > > with gigantic bellies, up to 2 or 3 days > before > > > the delivery, > > > > > dragging their feet around tired to death, > just > > > because they are > > > > > scared of being laid-off. > > > > > You might think this is the only and the > best > > > possible way for > > > > > things to be. > > > > > Believe me, it is not and the "voice of > reason" > > > can be a very > > > > > different one, depending on who you talk to. > > > > > > > > > > Giorgio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > > www.dualsportnews.com. 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[Dirk Beer]

Chris,

> A business is a private enterprise, there is no freedom of speech > there. And what entitles a person to job security? I have a PhD from

i agree with you on both of these...

> My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no "right" to > children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them. (Of

Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two incomes to have a good standard of living. and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford children, but of having to choose between a career and children. without a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of being able to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the other.

> And I've heard about how good socialized health care is in some > "first-world" countries. Our system may not be the best, but it does > have an upside. The biggest problem is the volume of lawsuits brought > up by people who just can't accept that sometimes, shit happens. The > amount of malpractice insurance that is required pushes a doctor's costs > through the roof, and drives some to quit outright.

What is the upside? And as I understand it, the major reason for our expensive healthcare is drug prices, not malpractice insurance.

> fact that people want the cheapest stuff they can buy. And what's wrong > with entry-level jobs? What entitles a register clerk to huge > benefits? Heck, why don't we just raise the minimum wage to $100/hr, so > we can all live in style! Woo hoo!

Nothing wrong with entry level jobs... For what it's worth, in California (and probably most states) the minimum wage adjusted for inflation is actually quite a bit lower than it used to be. Dirk A18

[Kelly Walsh]

Here in Santa Fe, the city just passed a living wage ordinance. Any business with 25 or more employees must start people at $8.50 an hour. At first their was some bitching and moaning, but the ones doing the loudest yelling were the companies who could afford to pay their people better anyway. Still, in Santa Fe, $8.50 doesn't get you much. That's why I'm self-employed (or is that terminally unemployed?). It's easier to get the boss to give me more money. He can be an asshole sometimes, however. --- Dirk Beer wrote:

> > Chris, > > > A business is a private enterprise, there is no > freedom of speech > > there. And what entitles a person to job > security? I have a PhD from > > i agree with you on both of these... > > > My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that > there is no "right" to > > children, and if you can't afford them, you > shouldn't have them. (Of > > Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many > couples need two > incomes to have a good standard of living. > > and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of > being able to afford > children, but of having to choose between a career > and children. > without a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and > some assurance of > being able to continue their job, they pretty much > have to choose one > or the other. > > > And I've heard about how good socialized health > care is in some > > "first-world" countries. Our system may not be > the best, but it does > > have an upside. The biggest problem is the volume > of lawsuits brought > > up by people who just can't accept that sometimes, > shit happens. The > > amount of malpractice insurance that is required > pushes a doctor's costs > > through the roof, and drives some to quit > outright. > > What is the upside? > > And as I understand it, the major reason for our > expensive healthcare > is drug prices, not malpractice insurance. > > > fact that people want the cheapest stuff they can > buy. And what's wrong > > with entry-level jobs? What entitles a register > clerk to huge > > benefits? Heck, why don't we just raise the > minimum wage to $100/hr, so > > we can all live in style! Woo hoo! > > Nothing wrong with entry level jobs... > > For what it's worth, in California (and probably > most states) the > minimum wage adjusted for inflation is actually > quite a bit lower > than it used to be. > > Dirk > A18 > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

[denis@teachlinux.com]

And you are now watching most companies move out of Santa Fe into Espanola. Lowe's, and Home Depot, wait for Target and SAM'S to leave also. Time will tell if the living wage really did any good. I'm betting it's going to cause Santa Fe more economic decline. Denis

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kelly Walsh wrote: > > Here in Santa Fe, the city just passed a living wage > ordinance. Any business with 25 or more employees must > start people at $8.50 an hour. At first their was some > bitching and moaning, but the ones doing the loudest > yelling were the companies who could afford to pay > their people better anyway. > > Still, in Santa Fe, $8.50 doesn't get you much. That's > why I'm self-employed (or is that terminally > unemployed?). It's easier to get the boss to give me > more money. He can be an asshole sometimes, however. > --- Dirk Beer wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > A business is a private enterprise, there is no > > freedom of speech > > > there. And what entitles a person to job > > security? I have a PhD from > > > > i agree with you on both of these... > > > > > My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that > > there is no "right" to > > > children, and if you can't afford them, you > > shouldn't have them. (Of > > > > Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many > > couples need two > > incomes to have a good standard of living. > > > > and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of > > being able to afford > > children, but of having to choose between a career > > and children. > > without a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and > > some assurance of > > being able to continue their job, they pretty much > > have to choose one > > or the other. > > > > > And I've heard about how good socialized health > > care is in some > > > "first-world" countries. Our system may not be > > the best, but it does > > > have an upside. The biggest problem is the volume > > of lawsuits brought > > > up by people who just can't accept that sometimes, > > shit happens. The > > > amount of malpractice insurance that is required > > pushes a doctor's costs > > > through the roof, and drives some to quit > > outright. > > > > What is the upside? > > > > And as I understand it, the major reason for our > > expensive healthcare > > is drug prices, not malpractice insurance. > > > > > fact that people want the cheapest stuff they can > > buy. And what's wrong > > > with entry-level jobs? What entitles a register > > clerk to huge > > > benefits? Heck, why don't we just raise the > > minimum wage to $100/hr, so > > > we can all live in style! Woo hoo! > > > > Nothing wrong with entry level jobs... > > > > For what it's worth, in California (and probably > > most states) the > > minimum wage adjusted for inflation is actually > > quite a bit lower > > than it used to be. > > > > Dirk > > A18 > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[Giorgio Trucco]

-----Original Message----- From: ron criswell [mailto:ron.criswell@...]

>It is all about money.

No, it's all about sharing, caring, and principles that you stand for, because you separate the wrong from the right. You are free to laugh at me. Hard things to spread around... I know, but still... Giorgio

[Harry Seifert]

Hey Giorgio, Screw all this political crap, what kind of homemade pizza and wine were we talking about earlier???? Tech Day 13 November, Sunny Julian...............be there. Buddy bseifert71@...

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[Kelly Walsh]

I agree. I was the marketing director for The MarketPlace Natural Grocery until I went solo, and they will get stung next year when it goes up to 9 something or other. They already started people at 8, so the hit this year wasn't as bad. But in the coming years, I can see a trend towards the smaller guys eventually being affected. As far as more "box" stores moving outside the city limits, the county is in NO hurry to grant them permits, so if they leave, yeah, they gotta go to Rio Arriba, Heroin Capital of Hte USA. Espanola can have them. Actually, I lived in El Rancho for some time and loved it, but the commute to SF during the 285 shitstrom was more than I wanted to deal with. Lowe's however... they were patently declined a building permit in Santa Fe. Seems the Home Depot people have some friends on the Shitty Council (probably that Pfeffer asshole). Small town politics is alive and well here in Santa Fe! Kelly --- denis@... wrote:

> > > And you are now watching most companies move out of > Santa Fe into > Espanola. Lowe's, and Home Depot, wait for Target > and SAM'S to leave also. > > Time will tell if the living wage really did any > good. I'm betting it's > going to cause Santa Fe more economic decline. > > Denis > > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kelly Walsh wrote: > > > > > Here in Santa Fe, the city just passed a living > wage > > ordinance. Any business with 25 or more employees > must > > start people at $8.50 an hour. At first their was > some > > bitching and moaning, but the ones doing the > loudest > > yelling were the companies who could afford to pay > > their people better anyway. > > > > Still, in Santa Fe, $8.50 doesn't get you much. > That's > > why I'm self-employed (or is that terminally > > unemployed?). It's easier to get the boss to give > me > > more money. He can be an asshole sometimes, > however. > > --- Dirk Beer wrote: > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > A business is a private enterprise, there is > no > > > freedom of speech > > > > there. And what entitles a person to job > > > security? I have a PhD from > > > > > > i agree with you on both of these... > > > > > > > My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is > that > > > there is no "right" to > > > > children, and if you can't afford them, you > > > shouldn't have them. (Of > > > > > > Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many > > > couples need two > > > incomes to have a good standard of living. > > > > > > and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of > > > being able to afford > > > children, but of having to choose between a > career > > > and children. > > > without a reasonable amount of maternity leave, > and > > > some assurance of > > > being able to continue their job, they pretty > much > > > have to choose one > > > or the other. > > > > > > > And I've heard about how good socialized > health > > > care is in some > > > > "first-world" countries. Our system may not > be > > > the best, but it does > > > > have an upside. The biggest problem is the > volume > > > of lawsuits brought > > > > up by people who just can't accept that > sometimes, > > > shit happens. The > > > > amount of malpractice insurance that is > required > > > pushes a doctor's costs > > > > through the roof, and drives some to quit > > > outright. > > > > > > What is the upside? > > > > > > And as I understand it, the major reason for our > > > expensive healthcare > > > is drug prices, not malpractice insurance. > > > > > > > fact that people want the cheapest stuff they > can > > > buy. And what's wrong > > > > with entry-level jobs? What entitles a > register > > > clerk to huge > > > > benefits? Heck, why don't we just raise the > > > minimum wage to $100/hr, so > > > > we can all live in style! Woo hoo! > > > > > > Nothing wrong with entry level jobs... > > > > > > For what it's worth, in California (and probably > > > most states) the > > > minimum wage adjusted for inflation is actually > > > quite a bit lower > > > than it used to be. > > > > > > Dirk > > > A18 > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of > Chris > > > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >