Radiator Slats

[Skip Kelsey]

Martin: To my knowledge, ALL cars had slats match the seats. SKip Kelsey.............................................................. .At 09:05 AM 10/16/02 -0700, Martin Johnson wrote:

>of the body paint of green cars. >Thanks for humoring me-

[Robert Grunau]

Skip and Martin, I agree with Skip, slats match interiors. I have a green TD ( OK I know its not a TC ) with lighter green upholstery and the original rad slats were light green to match the seats. This car had never been apart or painted when I got it in about 1975. The slightly lighter green rad slats look very nice and are a nice subtle colour change from the body. Regards, Bob Grunau Martin: To my knowledge, ALL cars had slats match the seats. SKip Kelsey.............................................................. .At 09:05 AM 10/16/02 -0700, Martin Johnson wrote:

>of the body paint of green cars. >Thanks for humoring me-

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[Sam Suklis]

Hi Martin: Go to this page from the "MG mythis and FAQ's" site, this will take you to the the "detalis" page this URL will take you to: http://www.mgcars.org.au/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm Scroll down the page PAST the paint formula charts, scroll on down to the chart marked "Chassis", and read what it says there about radiator-slat colours. Might help. Best regards, Sam

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Radiator Slats > Mike wrote: > >So, whatever turns you on. > Geesh Mike, read it again - he said he didn't want logic, he wanted originality. > > Sorry Martin, I couldn't resist. However, I don't think you'll find a "consensus" of opinion on this - I've seen them both ways and both paint schemes look great - although I think I've seen more slats painted body color on the TDs than on the TCs. > > Good luck in whichever way you decide to paint it and I'm sure it'll look great when you're finished. But then again, I've never seen an ugly TC so what do I know? > > Gene > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Thomas Caperton]

Lads and Ladies: My TC, No. 5350, has original black paint, green upholstery, and black grill slats. This is an interesting discussion. Tom Caperton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Malcolm Castle]

HI to all Interesting subject. A few years ago at a N.E.M.G.T. G.O.F. George Eyeson Was a guest, and I asked him this asame question. He stated that all radiator slats weree painted the same as the interior. And I figured that was the final word for me. Regards , Malcolm Castle

>From: "Thomas Caperton" caperton@cybermesa.com> >To: "mg-tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [mg-tabc] Radiator Slats >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:03:45 -0700 > >Lads and Ladies: > >My TC, No. 5350, has original black paint, green upholstery, and black >grill slats. > >This is an interesting discussion. > >Tom Caperton > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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[Martin Johnson]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. I received email privately as well as on this list regarding the topic. The issue was not resolved conclusively as there were differing opinions that had excellent qualifications and authority supporting them, however for my own purposes the question was answered. Based upon the information I have received (and you don't have to accept this...) here is my theory: During the four years of TC production there were at least two shades of green for the body color, Woodland Green and Almond Green. What time periods each were used I don't know, however they appear to be intermittent. When the lighter shade was used, which was close to the upholstery color, the slats would be body color. When the darker shade was used, the slats would be lighter to match the upholstery. At least one person with credible first hand knowledge states an exception to this, however, he was referring to a black car. Some say they think it is unlikely MG would bother with two colors on the same car. That might be so, but I understand that MG was very concerned about aesthetics, and they had two-tone cars pre-war. Therefore they might have gone to the trouble. Based upon the foregoing, I have decided that since TC3586 had the darker paint scheme, I am going to paint the slats a few shades lighter to match the original upholstery samples I have. Thanks again for an interesting tangent! Martin Johnson

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Martin: The site Sam Suklis sent you (& the rest of us) to, namely http://www.mgcars.org.au/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm ; and which mentioned "Woodland Green" and "Almond Green", was for TD colors. Best I can recall right now from all the restoration books I have, (which is most of 'em), the only TC green was "Shires Green", whatever that is. TC 7993, has her original (Shires?) green on the firewall. Closest match I could find (40 some years ago) was a "Sage Green", maybe a MGA color. I realize this is adrift from the topic (slats), but am confused by these other alleged TC greens to which you refer. Don TC 7993

>From: Martin Johnson MJohnson@cfworks.com> >To: "'mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com'" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Radiator Slats >Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:45:09 -0700 > > >Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. I received email privately >as >well as on this list regarding the topic. The issue was not resolved >conclusively as there were differing opinions that had excellent >qualifications and authority supporting them, however for my own purposes >the question was answered. >Based upon the information I have received (and you don't have to accept >this...) here is my theory: During the four years of TC production there >were at least two shades of green for the body color, Woodland Green and >Almond Green. What time periods each were used I don't know, however they >appear to be intermittent. When the lighter shade was used, which was >close >to the upholstery color, the slats would be body color. When the darker >shade was used, the slats would be lighter to match the upholstery. At >least one person with credible first hand knowledge states an exception to >this, however, he was referring to a black car. Some say they think it is >unlikely MG would bother with two colors on the same car. That might be >so, >but I understand that MG was very concerned about aesthetics, and they had >two-tone cars pre-war. Therefore they might have gone to the trouble. >Based upon the foregoing, I have decided that since TC3586 had the darker >paint scheme, I am going to paint the slats a few shades lighter to match >the original upholstery samples I have. >Thanks again for an interesting tangent! >Martin Johnson > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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[Bill Hentzen]

> -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Wilkinson [mailto:digitaldon@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:01 PM > To: MJohnson@cfworks.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Radiator Slats > > > Hey Martin: > > The site Sam Suklis sent you (& the rest of us) to, namely > http://www.mgcars.org.au/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm ; and which mentioned > "Woodland Green" and "Almond Green", was for TD colors. Best I can recall > right now from all the restoration books I have, (which is most > of 'em), the > only TC green was "Shires Green", whatever that is. TC 7993, has her > original (Shires?) green on the firewall. Closest match I could find (40 > some years ago) was a "Sage Green", maybe a MGA color. I realize this is > adrift from the topic (slats), but am confused by these other alleged TC > greens to which you refer. > > Don > TC 7993 > > > Gentlemen, when I did my '51 TD, under the running board strips which

seemed to have the original rivets, was a greyish green, close to the green refered to in the T Series Handbook called Almond Green. I polished the area and took it to work where we have a color analysis computer{ am in the paint business}. We matched the color in a urethane. Used it also on the '47 TC, although a year too early. If any one wants a color chip, let me know. Cheers! Bill Hentzen

> > > >From: Martin Johnson MJohnson@cfworks.com> > >To: "'mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com'" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Radiator Slats > >Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:45:09 -0700 > > > > > >Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. I received email > privately > >as > >well as on this list regarding the topic. The issue was not resolved > >conclusively as there were differing opinions that had excellent > >qualifications and authority supporting them, however for my own purposes > >the question was answered. > >Based upon the information I have received (and you don't have to accept > >this...) here is my theory: During the four years of TC production there > >were at least two shades of green for the body color, Woodland Green and > >Almond Green. What time periods each were used I don't know, > however they > >appear to be intermittent. When the lighter shade was used, which was > >close > >to the upholstery color, the slats would be body color. When the darker > >shade was used, the slats would be lighter to match the upholstery. At > >least one person with credible first hand knowledge states an > exception to > >this, however, he was referring to a black car. Some say they > think it is > >unlikely MG would bother with two colors on the same car. That might be > >so, > >but I understand that MG was very concerned about aesthetics, > and they had > >two-tone cars pre-war. Therefore they might have gone to the trouble. > >Based upon the foregoing, I have decided that since TC3586 had the darker > >paint scheme, I am going to paint the slats a few shades lighter to match > >the original upholstery samples I have. > >Thanks again for an interesting tangent! > >Martin Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

[jerrybirkbeck@aol.com]

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of correspondence that is generated on matters of originality. From what I have seen and read I would go along with the view that the slats matched the colour of the trim in the majority of cases. However, MG did take account of customer choice and would no doubt have painted the radiator slats any colour that a customer requested. Of course an owner could have painted the slats in the colour of his/her choice after purchasing the vehicle. I guess what is needed is to find an owner of a T type who either bought and still has his car from new, or remembers buying a car and specifying particular changes for his model. At his/her youngest that person would be around 70 today and how many TA's/B's/C's still are in the ownership of the original purchaser - very few I would think. Perhaps the MG T Type Register may be able to comment or Mike Sherrell. Jerry Birkbeck

[tonygoodall]

> >< I guess what is needed is to find an owner of a T type who either bought and > still has his car from new, or remembers buying a car and specifying > particular changes for his model. At his/her youngest that person would be > around 70 today and how many TA's/B's/C's still are in the ownership of the > original purchaser - very few I would think.> >

I notice that Joe Douglass from L A , who is listed in the TC Motoring Guild, bought his TC new in 1949 and it still has its original blue paintwork. Some of our list appear to be members also; anyone know him? Just a thought. Tony TC9825 + 59 MGA