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[ron criswell]

I guess I didn't research it enough on price. I didn't realize you could buy a pair of 606's for the price of one Mefo. The 606's are still my favorite tire for the KLR even though they are noisy and probably wear quicker. I have had 606's just shy of 100 mph on pavement with no issues and they seem to hold OKin the corners. I guess the reason people pay more for Mefo's is they are a good 50 - 50 tire (and they are German Mein Furer......er....like a BMW). The Kendas are cheap and easy to mount. They seem to work well in the dirt but not sure on their street manners. I friend fell real quickly and broke some ribs in front of me pulling into a burger joint on Kenda 270's. I went to look for an oil patch I thought maybe he hit as he went down so quick.....but nada. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Mar 25, 2012, at 9:53 PM, "Jud" wrote: > What is it about these tires (Mefo Explorer) that you like so much? What is it that makes them worth $170.00 , or even $149.50? For the price of one rear tire, I can buy a pair of D606, or three Kenda k270s, Each of which will go 9500 miles. Does the Mefo last 25000 miles, or what? Thet's a rhetorical question; I already know they go 6-10,000 miles, just like their $50 competition. So what is it? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sopris_2000" wrote: > > > > > > I agree with the Gripsters and the Mefos. My wife and I, on 2 KLR's, are in Teguantepec, Mexico, just south of the state of Oaxaca. We've been on the road for 2 months in Mexico/Central America. We have the Gripsters on our bikes. They are super on pavement and a pretty good on dirt. But as already said, when it is wet they are the slipsters. > > We have about 4,000 miles on them now and they are still almost new. > > In Colorado, I love the Mefos for on and offroad. They are a great mountain tire. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, tch@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi all. My 2008 KLR650 needs tires for 90% street riding. I'm 175 pounds and don't carry any passengers. Any recommendations? Thanks. > > > > > > TC > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC Online > > > A better way to Internet > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mechanizeinc]

Jud, I don't know how you get 9K miles out of a D606. Unless I were to ride only in mud and sand for the entire life of the tire (man, now THAT would be a work commute!) I'm not getting more than 3,000 miles out of D606s. Don't get me wrong. It's my favorite tire. But NOT cheap per mile. And not easy if I want to stretch the mileage. On the D606, I have to flip the front every 1000 miles. The front and rear end up getting replaced at the same time where a more street tire will usually net two rears for a single front. You MUST have your suspension setup properly or a heavy enduro will EAT knobbies. Mech Who is about to lace up a 19" front and go with two Kenda 761s front and rear.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > What is it about these tires (Mefo Explorer) that you like so much? What is it that makes them worth $170.00 , or even $149.50? For the price of one rear tire, I can buy a pair of D606, or three Kenda k270s, Each of which will go 9500 miles. Does the Mefo last 25000 miles, or what? Thet's a rhetorical question; I already know they go 6-10,000 miles, just like their $50 competition. So what is it? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sopris_2000" wrote: > > > > > > I agree with the Gripsters and the Mefos. My wife and I, on 2 KLR's, are in Teguantepec, Mexico, just south of the state of Oaxaca. We've been on the road for 2 months in Mexico/Central America. We have the Gripsters on our bikes. They are super on pavement and a pretty good on dirt. But as already said, when it is wet they are the slipsters. > > We have about 4,000 miles on them now and they are still almost new. > > In Colorado, I love the Mefos for on and offroad. They are a great mountain tire. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, tch@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi all. My 2008 KLR650 needs tires for 90% street riding. I'm 175 pounds and don't carry any passengers. Any recommendations? Thanks. > > > > > > TC > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC Online > > > A better way to Internet > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > >

[mark ward]

Egg's "Special" 6 for $1., Regulary $2. a dozen. Would you like 6 or..... half a dozen? It's all in the planning ahead stage, WHAT are you planning on doing with the "EGGS? When I plan on a LONG trip, (more pavement) I get longer lasting tires = MORE $$ If planing on running hard, in areas I do not know & possible sharp rocks, nails ect. I get average tires like 606's.

--- On Mon, 3/26/12, mechanizeinc wrote: From: mechanizeinc Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tires To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 1:36 PM Jud, I don't know how you get 9K miles out of a D606. Unless I were to ride only in mud and sand for the entire life of the tire (man, now THAT would be a work commute!) I'm not getting more than 3,000 miles out of D606s. Don't get me wrong. It's my favorite tire. But NOT cheap per mile. And not easy if I want to stretch the mileage. On the D606, I have to flip the front every 1000 miles. The front and rear end up getting replaced at the same time where a more street tire will usually net two rears for a single front. You MUST have your suspension setup properly or a heavy enduro will EAT knobbies. Mech Who is about to lace up a 19" front and go with two Kenda 761s front and rear. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > What is it about these tires (Mefo Explorer) that you like so much? What is it that makes them worth $170.00 , or even $149.50? For the price of one rear tire, I can buy a pair of D606, or three Kenda k270s, Each of which will go 9500 miles. Does the Mefo last 25000 miles, or what? Thet's a rhetorical question; I already know they go 6-10,000 miles, just like their $50 competition. So what is it? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "sopris_2000" wrote: > > > > > > I agree with the Gripsters and the Mefos. My wife and I, on 2 KLR's, are in Teguantepec, Mexico, just south of the state of Oaxaca. We've been on the road for 2 months in Mexico/Central America. We have the Gripsters on our bikes. They are super on pavement and a pretty good on dirt. But as already said, when it is wet they are the slipsters. > > We have about 4,000 miles on them now and they are still almost new. > > In Colorado, I love the Mefos for on and offroad. They are a great mountain tire. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, tch@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi all. My 2008 KLR650 needs tires for 90% street riding. I'm 175 pounds and don't carry any passengers. Any recommendations? Thanks. > > > > > > TC > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC Online > > > A better way to Internet > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote:

> > The Kendas are cheap and easy to mount. They seem to work well in the dirt but not sure on their street manners. I friend fell real quickly and broke some ribs in front of me pulling into a burger joint on Kenda 270's. I went to look for an oil patch I thought maybe he hit as he went down so quick.....but nada. > > Criswell > Sent from my iPad >

C-- This is from the 20/20 quarterback chair-- Forgive me if I sound skeptical of your friend's outcome/conclusions. Which way did the bike react; high side or low side? If your friend locked up the back brake while making the decel and turn, when the wheel started turning again, it spit him over the top = high side. MSF classic scenario. I've seen it happen. Been there whenn it happened. ouch. If it washed out on him, it could be the tire pressure was insufficient for his selected angle of bank (AOB). Plus lack of judicious throttle control while making a 90 course change. When I first got my KLR (after being away from bikes 1976-2003) I had the crap scared out of me, both high speed and low speed as the bike slid (OEM TIRES)in the curves (high speed) and slid in the intersections (low speed) while adding throttle. The culprit? 1. Lack of recent experience and ding. ding. ding. 2. The d... owner's manual. I followed the OEM air pressure suggestion and that suggestion is WRONG for street use. It will flat kill you if you ride the KLR like most of us do on asphalt with OEM owner's manual air pressure. Fortunately, good folks here at DSN suggested something more like 32F/36R and it has never been a problem. We should also ALWAYS be aware-- Any tire will fail to hold if it is not properly 'respected'. =flying outside the envelope. Yeah. Ask me how I know. Just watch the superbikes ride. The best tires in the world will not hold if you exceed the physics of the tire, at that moment, at that location, and that AOB. (I need to remember this....) Oh, K270's won't climb 15" ruts covered with dry grass either. Same results as your friend. 6 ribs AND a collar bone. Yeah. =failure to respect the conditions. I did get a nice compliment in the ER. "Best dressed MC rider ever come through these doors." Now, please pass the scissors.... revmaaatin. PS. And we are rarely as good as we once were; on a bike or otherwise.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mechanizeinc" wrote:

> Mech > Who is about to lace up a 19" front and go with two Kenda 761s front and rear. >

I hope you will post pictures. smile. revmaaatin.

[RobertWichert]

You forgot to mention locking the front brake while in a slow turn. Down I went. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 3/26/2012 9:47 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Ron Criswell > wrote: > > > > > The Kendas are cheap and easy to mount. They seem to work well in > the dirt but not sure on their street manners. I friend fell real > quickly and broke some ribs in front of me pulling into a burger joint > on Kenda 270's. I went to look for an oil patch I thought maybe he hit > as he went down so quick.....but nada. > > > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > > C-- > This is from the 20/20 quarterback chair-- > Forgive me if I sound skeptical of your friend's outcome/conclusions. > > Which way did the bike react; high side or low side? > > If your friend locked up the back brake while making the decel and > turn, when the wheel started turning again, it spit him over the top = > high side. MSF classic scenario. I've seen it happen. Been there whenn > it happened. ouch. > > If it washed out on him, it could be the tire pressure was > insufficient for his selected angle of bank (AOB). > Plus lack of judicious throttle control while making a 90 course change. > > When I first got my KLR (after being away from bikes 1976-2003) I had > the crap scared out of me, both high speed and low speed as the bike > slid (OEM TIRES)in the curves (high speed) and slid in the > intersections (low speed) while adding throttle. > The culprit? > 1. Lack of recent experience and > ding. ding. ding. > 2. The d... owner's manual. > I followed the OEM air pressure suggestion and that suggestion is > WRONG for street use. It will flat kill you if you ride the KLR like > most of us do on asphalt with OEM owner's manual air pressure. > > Fortunately, good folks here at DSN suggested something more like > 32F/36R and it has never been a problem. > > We should also ALWAYS be aware-- > Any tire will fail to hold if it is not properly 'respected'. > =flying outside the envelope. Yeah. Ask me how I know. > Just watch the superbikes ride. The best tires in the world will not > hold if you exceed the physics of the tire, at that moment, at that > location, and that AOB. (I need to remember this....) > > Oh, K270's won't climb 15" ruts covered with dry grass either. > Same results as your friend. 6 ribs AND a collar bone. > Yeah. =failure to respect the conditions. > I did get a nice compliment in the ER. > "Best dressed MC rider ever come through these doors." > Now, please pass the scissors.... > > revmaaatin. > PS. > And we are rarely as good as we once were; on a bike or otherwise. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mechanizeinc]

I always do the same thing with my tires; Crazy $#!+ I can be going along fine. Mellow. Tame. You could call me grandpa. Then, a wild hair, crazy traffic, or an accident requires evasive maneuvers. I like hopping up on the median or diving into the woods. This is why the D606 rocks. It is 112mph or so speed rated and does great on wet grass, wet pavement, sand and mud. The side wall is so strong they will run flat so blown tubes aren't as dangerous at freeway speeds. If I'm planning a long trip, I mount D606s and have replacements lined up 3000 miles into my route. Mech Who is still going to kinda sorta motard with a 19 front and K761s despite his better judgement.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote: > > Egg's > > "Special" 6 for $1., Regulary $2. a dozen. > > Would you like 6 or..... half a dozen? > It's all in the planning ahead stage, WHAT are you planning on doing with the "EGGS? > > > When I plan on a LONG trip, (more pavement) I get longer lasting tires = MORE $$ > > If planing on running hard, in areas I do not know & possible sharp rocks, nails ect. I get average tires like 606's. > >

[mechanizeinc]

If I figure out how to I will. Re your previous post: respect the physical limits. It is getting easier to remember that as it seems easier to get hurt and takes longer to heal than it used to! My trip to the ER netted the same response! "Wow, you're actually wearing all your gear!" HEhehehe.... and the collar bone. Doc comes in and I've got a nice bump in the middle of my chicken wing. "Doc," I say "I think I dislocated my clavicle... in the middle." Doc smiles and says "Oh yeah, that's broken." "Well, can you push it back down in there with your thumb and fix me up?" "No sir, we generally don't do anything for clavicle breaks. It may heal up or it could float around. You really have to break it in spectacular fashion in order for us to go in. Let's get you to x-ray." I get imaged. Sitting in the room waiting for the Doc to return. Knocks. Enters. "Well sir. Do you recall what I was saying about breaking the bone in a spectacular fashion? We're scheduling you for surgery Thursday morning." Mech Go spectacular or go home

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mechanizeinc" wrote: > > Mech > > Who is about to lace up a 19" front and go with two Kenda 761s front and rear. > > > > I hope you will post pictures. smile. > > revmaaatin. >

[RobertWichert]

The D606 is the same "big block" style as the TKC 80. Is there a reason that you like the D606 and you don't like the TKC 80? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 3/27/2012 8:33 AM, mechanizeinc wrote: > > > I always do the same thing with my tires; Crazy $#!+ > > I can be going along fine. Mellow. Tame. You could call me grandpa. > Then, a wild hair, crazy traffic, or an accident requires evasive > maneuvers. I like hopping up on the median or diving into the woods. > > This is why the D606 rocks. It is 112mph or so speed rated and does > great on wet grass, wet pavement, sand and mud. The side wall is so > strong they will run flat so blown tubes aren't as dangerous at > freeway speeds. > > If I'm planning a long trip, I mount D606s and have replacements lined > up 3000 miles into my route. > > Mech > Who is still going to kinda sorta motard with a 19 front and K761s > despite his better judgement. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , mark ward wrote: > > > > Egg's > > > > "Special" 6 for $1., Regulary $2. a dozen. > > > > Would you like 6 or..... half a dozen? > > It's all in the planning ahead stage, WHAT are you planning on doing > with the "EGGS? > > > > > > When I plan on a LONG trip, (more pavement) I get longer lasting > tires = MORE $$ > > > > If planing on running hard, in areas I do not know & possible sharp > rocks, nails ect. I get average tires like 606's. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mechanizeinc]

The Continentals were awesome tires for the street because they are soft. I think they stick on wet roads better than D606s. But that same attribute makes 'em last about as long as a pencil eraser... and I make a lot of mistakes! The fact that the D606 is less money and lasts a bit longer, plus is a bit more aggressive knobby than the TK-80. And the sidewall strength issue I discussed in the post. Mech

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mechanizeinc" wrote: > > > I always do the same thing with my tires; Crazy $#!+ > > I can be going along fine. Mellow. Tame. You could call me grandpa. Then, a wild hair, crazy traffic, or an accident requires evasive maneuvers. I like hopping up on the median or diving into the woods. > > This is why the D606 rocks. It is 112mph or so speed rated and does great on wet grass, wet pavement, sand and mud. The side wall is so strong they will run flat so blown tubes aren't as dangerous at freeway speeds. > > If I'm planning a long trip, I mount D606s and have replacements lined up 3000 miles into my route. > > Mech > Who is still going to kinda sorta motard with a 19 front and K761s despite his better judgement. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote: > > > > Egg's > > > > "Special" 6 for $1., Regulary $2. a dozen. > > > > Would you like 6 or..... half a dozen? > > It's all in the planning ahead stage, WHAT are you planning on doing with the "EGGS? > > > > > > When I plan on a LONG trip, (more pavement) I get longer lasting tires = MORE $$ > > > > If planing on running hard, in areas I do not know & possible sharp rocks, nails ect. I get average tires like 606's. > > > > >