carbon muffler?

[Jeff Saline]

Ron, I suggest you don't use the 30 weight. If it was mine I'd drain it right now and start again. The KLR oil compartment is a tough environment. It has an internal combustion engine crankcase, a constant mesh transmission and a multi-disk wet clutch. This really calls for three different lubricants but that's not possible in this situation. I've done oil analysis about 6 times on my 2003 KLR650. One oil I used sheared to a 20 weight in well less than 2,000 miles. That was from a 40 weight. I've finally determined what works well for my KLR with my riding style and conditions. I don't think 30 weight will serve your engine well. The oil compartment really doesn't care if you don't run hard or in the dirt if the lubricant isn't working. I will suggest if you decide to run with your current blend you will no longer be able to claim "very well cared for" when talking about it. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:01:09 -0400 "Ron Magen" writes:

> O.K. - here's one for all the 'experts' and long-time owners & riders > . . . > > A few days ago I was doing my usual 'Spring Maintenance' - > inspecting, > checking, tightening, and changing all the fluids. The local > 'supplies' > place only had one quart of my 'flavor' of 10w40 - but offered me > 'Royal > Purple' which they did have. So I got 2 quarts. {NOTE: the weight > lettering > was 'Black-on-black' - outlined}. I had a part of a quart of my > 'regular' > for 'topping off'. > > After I finished and was cleaning up I noticed that ONE bottle was > marked > 10w30 !! It's got the full 2.6 quarts -definitely above the full > mark and > filling the 'sight glass'- so only maybe 40% is the 'lighter' oil. > The > question is this - given my present 'style' of riding -no dirt, no > long > distance high speed highway is this a potential problem ?? {NOTE: > the bike > is a 2003 'vintage' but in IMMACULATE condition - never ridded > off-road, > very well cared for - I have the paperwork 'history'} > > Regards & Thanks, > Ron Magen > Backyard Boatshop > 2003 KLR650 {'New-to-me'}

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[swankallcity]

Jeff, what was the oil that came out on top for you? On a related topic, what do you use for your /6? I am curious as I have a 1975 R75/6. -Barron

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > Ron, > > I suggest you don't use the 30 weight. If it was mine I'd drain it right > now and start again. > > The KLR oil compartment is a tough environment. It has an internal > combustion engine crankcase, a constant mesh transmission and a > multi-disk wet clutch. This really calls for three different lubricants > but that's not possible in this situation. I've done oil analysis about > 6 times on my 2003 KLR650. One oil I used sheared to a 20 weight in well > less than 2,000 miles. That was from a 40 weight. I've finally > determined what works well for my KLR with my riding style and > conditions. > > I don't think 30 weight will serve your engine well. The oil compartment > really doesn't care if you don't run hard or in the dirt if the lubricant > isn't working. > > I will suggest if you decide to run with your current blend you will no > longer be able to claim "very well cared for" when talking about it. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >

[markharf]

I'm sure it's better to use only the best possible oil, changing religiously at the optimum moments, never mixing viscosity, brands, classifications or manufacturing dates (joke). However, in the real world where many of us reside on a daily basis this is not always possible. I change my oil as often as I can, usually (but not always) around 2000 miles. It's rare that I can find motorcycle-specific oil or trustworthy synthetic oil in the places I've been riding. Sometimes even multigrade takes some searching. The bike seems to survive just fine, so far. If I stressed every time I added some 10w-30 despite temps in the 90's or 100's, I'd have little energy left over to enjoy my travels. I may pay for this, down the road. Maybe tomorrow, in fact. But at some point, you've got to make your peace with the fact that you didn't always do the absolute best thing possible for your bike. That's ok, right? FWIW, I do not claim a flat "very well cared for" re my bike. I do say that I do the best I can under the circumstances, and I've noticed that this is better than some, worse than others. The bike itself seems to shrug off a certain amount of abuse, and that's one good reason (of many) to own a KLR, not a KTM. Mark (2007 at 72,000 miles, writing from Foz do Iguacu, Brazil; poised to enter Paraguay and continue north towards home)

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > Ron, > > I suggest you don't use the 30 weight. If it was mine I'd drain it right > now and start again. > > The KLR oil compartment is a tough environment. It has an internal > combustion engine crankcase, a constant mesh transmission and a > multi-disk wet clutch. This really calls for three different lubricants > but that's not possible in this situation. I've done oil analysis about > 6 times on my 2003 KLR650. One oil I used sheared to a 20 weight in well > less than 2,000 miles. That was from a 40 weight. I've finally > determined what works well for my KLR with my riding style and > conditions. > > I don't think 30 weight will serve your engine well. The oil compartment > really doesn't care if you don't run hard or in the dirt if the lubricant > isn't working. > > I will suggest if you decide to run with your current blend you will no > longer be able to claim "very well cared for" when talking about it. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:01:09 -0400 "Ron Magen" > writes: > > O.K. - here's one for all the 'experts' and long-time owners & riders > > . . . > > > > A few days ago I was doing my usual 'Spring Maintenance' - > > inspecting, > > checking, tightening, and changing all the fluids. The local > > 'supplies' > > place only had one quart of my 'flavor' of 10w40 - but offered me > > 'Royal > > Purple' which they did have. So I got 2 quarts. {NOTE: the weight > > lettering > > was 'Black-on-black' - outlined}. I had a part of a quart of my > > 'regular' > > for 'topping off'. > > > > After I finished and was cleaning up I noticed that ONE bottle was > > marked > > 10w30 !! It's got the full 2.6 quarts -definitely above the full > > mark and > > filling the 'sight glass'- so only maybe 40% is the 'lighter' oil. > > The > > question is this - given my present 'style' of riding -no dirt, no > > long > > distance high speed highway is this a potential problem ?? {NOTE: > > the bike > > is a 2003 'vintage' but in IMMACULATE condition - never ridded > > off-road, > > very well cared for - I have the paperwork 'history'} > > > > Regards & Thanks, > > Ron Magen > > Backyard Boatshop > > 2003 KLR650 {'New-to-me'} > > . > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bbe14235c85d28b99m07vuc >

[Jeffrey]

I ran 40 wt during the summer. Even though I put thousands of miles on it, in cold fall weather the starter motor couldn't turn the thick oil. I topped up with thin Marvel Mystery oil before I got to the colder weather, it wouldn't turn. Finally I lit a fire under the engine and after awhile it started right up. Jeffrey #3

[Jeff Saline]

Barron, I'm using Rotella Dino 15w/40 in my 2003 KLR650 with an oil change interval of 1,750 smiles. My bike is normally geared with a 14/46 sprocket combo. I've been using BMW 20w/50 in my 1975 R90/6 but with a new top end I'm currently putting on it I'll probably see if I can switch to a something weight/50 oil in Rotella dino if available or Castrol 20w/50. I was talking to someone the other day and BMW 20w/50 is now about $8 a quart. I'm not willing to pay that price. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:45:36 -0000 "swankallcity" writes:

> > > Jeff, what was the oil that came out on top for you? > > On a related topic, what do you use for your /6? I am curious as I > have a 1975 R75/6. > > -Barron >

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[Ron Magen]

Thanks for all the responses. They were running about 75/25 for 'OK vs. Immediate Change'. Obviously the 'paranoid' {typically me} thing to do is change it . . . NOW. The main reason for my hesitation was that the oil cost $7.49/qt + tax. Anyhow, about a day later I went in for something for the old Rodeo and 'needled them about 'screwing me' on the oil weight {more friendly then my usual 'raging rant'}. Bottom line - the manager offered me FOUR quarts of MY CHOICE . . . 'Would that be alright ?' . . . ABSOLUTELY !! I stayed with the 'Royal Purple'. He was out of stock, but got it from another store by the next day. Needless to say it took me longer to set-up and clean-up, then it did for the actual oil change - didn't even have to change the filter. I don't know about other locations, but I definitely give VERY HIGH marks to my local {Glenside, PA} 'Advanced Auto'. Regards & Thanks, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop - - - - - Posted by: "Jeff Saline" salinej1@... jeffsaline Barron, I'm using Rotella Dino 15w/40 in my 2003 KLR650 with an oil change interval of 1,750 smiles. . . . I was talking to someone the other day and BMW 20w/50 is now about $8 a quart. I'm not willing to pay that price. _______________________________________ No infections found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System Shield http://www.iolo.com

[ALFRED ELFMAN]

Been using Castrol 20/50 GTX every 1k miles with a filter change every other (the case of oil was a gift !!) Any toughts on the new Bel-Ray 20/50 "Thumper" oil for enduros..?

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-108093081 p {margin:0;}Every 1K????  WOW!  I've heard of frequent oil changes but that takes the cake.  I'd be changing my oil every month or maybe even less than that. I use Castrol SynTec 20/50 at 3K increments. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "ALFRED ELFMAN" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:00:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 'Oil 'weight' error - a problem   Been using Castrol 20/50 GTX every 1k miles with a filter change every other (the case of oil was a gift !!) Any toughts on the new Bel-Ray 20/50 "Thumper" oil for enduros..?

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 06:13:50PM -0700, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> Every 1K???? WOW! I've heard of frequent oil changes but that takes > the cake. I'd be changing my oil every month or maybe even less than > that.

I'd be concerned about wear on the engine from all those dry starts overwhelming any benefit from the frequent oil changes, at that point.

[westridge@gmail.com]

> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 06:13:50PM -0700, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Every 1K???? WOW! I've heard of frequent oil changes but that takes > > the cake. I'd be changing my oil every month or maybe even less than > > that. > > > > I'd be concerned about wear on the engine from all those dry starts > overwhelming any benefit from the frequent oil changes, at that > point. > I'm not sure if folks know to do this but dry starts are a lot less dry if one soaks the oil filter in oil before installing it. Ken Tubbs Corvallis, Oregon