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Post by traderpro2003 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:36 am

I don't think people understand how important this election is... Well, I'm confident Obama will win and we will move in a positive direction. I'm not saying it will be easy or perfect but it will be 100% better than the last eight years. George Bush created a mess with the war in Iraq. $10 billion a month being spent there instead of our own backyard. $700 billion a year goes to foreign countries for oil and oil prices still at record highs. Obama will get our troops home faster and end this nonsense. Bush is pro-oil and all about keeping the price high to line the pockets of his cronies and keep Americans slave to a corrupt system. He's destabilized more things than any other president in history, has the worst approval rating in history and has proven mentally he's a clown. McCain is not smart. The guy can't use a computer. Can't even send an email! Palin? How is she doing with her 17-yr old pregnant daughter and the father about to drop out of high school to focus on fatherhood. What a disaster. McCain thinks she inspires America? you must be kidding. What a lazy society that takes comfort in poor decision-making like this? Poor parenting? Give me a break. This sort of thinking is what puts America in the mess we are in. Folks, our industrial capacity is now back to 1974 levels! Do you understand that, pro-McCainers? The jobs are gone. The middle class that has waited for trickle down economics to reach them is now staring at dry wells. There's nothing coming and the middle class is dying on the vine--strapped with so much debt they're all slaves to the system. They can't even make decisions for themselves now and have to rely on [read: beg of] government instead of the government working for them. What is wrong with you folks? It's high time intelligence seizes control of the wheel. McCain is not educated. He doesn't know economics--he admits this, too. He relies on his advisers that benefit from pulling strings attached to his mouth and arms. These people are all corrupt. A KLRista from Arizona knows McCain and says he's a "temperamental snake." We're talking die hard Republican here and even he's voting Obama. Folks, it's going to take intelligence to work our way out of this mess. End the wars. Get out troops home and start working on our own backyard instead of spending $10 billion/month in Iraq. $700 billion to foreign oil producers. This has to end. We need alternative energies here in America so we can afford to enjoy freedoms like riding our KLRs. Quite wasting our paychecks on expensive energy and ridiculous healthcare. When was the last person to challenge lowering the cost of healthcare? I'm not talking health insurance either. If it were me, I'd say get rid of health insurance and visit the hospital when you need to. Health insurance is a scam and just one more way the system has us all by the balls. Yet no one wants to increase hospital competition. It's an oligopoly tightly protected by regulation. It takes $$$ and a lot of time to become a doctor-- few want to do it. The system takes advantage of this and keeps prices rising year after year with no end in sight. What is wrong with this picture? Only the elite can afford quality healthcare? The American worker is the engine of prosperity in which these clowns exploit. Well, just quit putting oil in that engine like they are doing now and see what happens. Fix healthcare costs...not insurance. If fact, get rid of this wasteful b/s called health insurance altogether. Why do we need to pay CEOs of health insurance companies to cut benefits, raise premiums, and eliminate coverage while processing paperwork? People are being fooled by health insurance companies that are in bed with Congress and the entire hospital network! Get rid of the middleman and start working on lowering the cost of healthcare. (For example, we've had X-ray technology for what 80 years+? why is an X-ray $250 at a hospital??? and more if you're not in a top-choice plan...ha ha...it's absurd, folks!) At the same time, we need to end our reliance on foreign oil and break free of Big Oil's and credit card companys' strangle holds. You do not have freewill when you are so indebted you can't breath. Your choices are made for you. Not only oil addicts but cheap credit addicts as well. Time to reweave our social fabric and get out from indebtedness that keep you an indentured servant going nowhere. I am 100% confident Obama will win. So folks, don't let fear overtake you. I realize it's a change but intelligence has created America. Stupidity and ignorance like Bush will continue to destroy it. These last 8 years we've seen nothing but things getting worse and ending in "getting hit by a financial Pearl Harbor." Our wealthiest citizen--Warren Buffett--said this. So if you don't believe there is a problem with the Bush Administration and a corrupt Congress, you are deaf, dumb and blind. My God have mercy on you. McCain just got done telling everyone how strong the American economy and workers are. Well, take a good hard look around. Ah yes, now McCain says we are in grave danger. Well, just ask machinists and other people that have forged our nation how good their prospects and outlooks are. They are scared and most likely dying on the vine. In fact, I just spoke with a tooling company operating since 1940. The owner said it's a 2nd generation business and most likely the last. What a shame. We've let US companies plunder our resources and exploit our labor and now it's more convenient to just send everything to China...all in the name of profit. Well, it's high time for change because this foolish mentality is not only unacceptable, it's not sustainable. Embrace change. Embrace intelligence. Embrace the winner: Obama. If I'm wrong, it's a free tank of gas on me. Save the email. I'll gladly fill your tank if things aren't better in 4-years under Obama. No strings here. This is coming from a staunch former Republican that wants NO GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. However, capitalism during boom-times and socialism during busts--to bailout our wealthy buddies--NO WAY! So we are clear, I am not campaigning for Obama. I'm not paid nor do I support in any way the Democratic Party. Rather like fixing our KLRs, I'm just trying to suggest what I feel is THE BEST intelligent fix to Our nation that will preserve what we once enjoyed--freedom. Freedom to a have a good job, be debt- free and enjoy the things we love most including riding our KLRs. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "nakedwaterskier" wrote:
> > I have noticed that KLRistas are solidly pro-McCain. McCain is > probably better for off road riding esp. on federal lands. But,
this is
> not the main issue except maybe for hard core off road enthusiasts. > Elections for President only happen every 4 yrs; so grin and bear
it.
> This is a time of tremendous upheaval. Let the KLRistas vent! > I personally don't see how either McCain or Obama would be good for
the
> country. Neither will admit the deficit problems enough to talk > honestly to the American. And they both know something must be
done
> about the deficit yet both are afraid to admit it. It goes back to > Bush Sr. read my lips no new taxes and his losing the election. > > Jeffrey >

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Post by traderpro2003 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:09 pm

One final point I want to make is for all you drill baby drill people... Right now oil companies are sitting on 65 million acres of drillable land. They're not interested in developing this....instead they want Americans to open up even more for them to hoard and plunder for the next 20 years. Currently, they can drill in many cases in 50-100 mile off-shore areas. Bush has done everything he possibly can for Big Oil including continue support for subsidies that oil companies insist they don't even need. We Americans give Big Oil billions in subsides while we highly-encourage them to plunder Americans' oil reserves. This is our oil not private companies'. Why should we be paying them to make billions off of us? For the first 6-months, Exxon Mobile made $22 billion in profit. That's AFTER spending $220 billion in God knows what in expenses. In other words, oil revenue for Exxon alone for the first 6-months was (brace yourself) $255 billion dollars! Big oil is plundering America. Meanwhile refineries are running at 83% of capacity keeping prices nice and lofty. It's high time to say good riddance to Bush and his war machine and say no thanks to McSame. It's all about Big Oil and lining the pockets of these crooks while holding Americans hostage. It's our oil. It's time to eliminate oil subsidies...and in fact profit here in America for our own oil! It belongs to Americans. Like Alaska's Permanent Fund, we should be hiring contracts to drill the oil and then keep the profit within our nation to fund an oil-free future. The oil extracted in America should be paying for alternatives that will be our future not lining executives pockets and building nothing for our children. Oil money should go to energy independence. I'm saying as well it should NOT be going to scholarships and other b/s social programs until we solve the national security issue of our dependence on foreign oil. Conclusively, off-shore drilling is not the answer. You see oil prices drop $.05 and not a drop for the next 10-years. Off-shore drilling is a big, expensive gamble that the oil companies would love to bet your money on. Forget it. Make them drill existing property or lose it! Enough of the oil oligopoly. In fact, it's amazing to see oil come from its over-inflated levels of $145--falling nearly 50% per barrel. Meanwhile the price of gasoline is down roughly 20%. Once again, we know who is in control...Big Oil and a corrupt puppet government.

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Post by hotrodkawi » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:23 pm

Great talking points directly from the Obama campaign..As if the Bush administration single handily has driven this country.. How about a quick civics lesson.. We have a separation of powers in this country.. The congress is responsible for the spending side..and all the back room deals to get things done in this country is what the real problem is..We need real reform.. not more of the same old Democrat vs. Republican. That is how politicians justify bundling laws and spending thorough the Washington machine.. You say your candidate will bring change.. I say he will be a rubber stamp to the Democrats in Congress who will spend even more than they have during the past 8 or four years your complaining about. But unlike you who seemed deranged in your hatred of George W. Bush.. I am more than willing to accept the judgment of my fellow Americans and get behind our choice for President.. If anything we need more rational opposition not.. demagoguery and hate.. Let's agree to disagree. I'd rather have clarity than consensus any day.

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Post by hotrodkawi » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:23 pm

Great talking points directly from the Obama campaign..As if the Bush administration single handily has driven this country.. How about a quick civics lesson.. We have a separation of powers in this country.. The congress is responsible for the spending side..and all the back room deals to get things done in this country is what the real problem is..We need real reform.. not more of the same old Democrat vs. Republican. That is how politicians justify bundling laws and spending thorough the Washington machine.. You say your candidate will bring change.. I say he will be a rubber stamp to the Democrats in Congress who will spend even more than they have during the past 8 or four years your complaining about. But unlike you who seemed deranged in your hatred of George W. Bush.. I am more than willing to accept the judgment of my fellow Americans and get behind our choice for President.. If anything we need more rational opposition not.. demagoguery and hate.. Let's agree to disagree. I'd rather have clarity than consensus any day.

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Post by traderpro2003 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:39 pm

Like I told you... I'm not on his campaign. I'm not even a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of the Republican b/s and corrupt Congress. I'm not sailing with the Republican Ship of Fools. This we can all agree on. I'm yet to see Obama be pulled in front of an ethics committee or be involved in dodgy deals. Give him a chance I say. At least the guy is intelligent! McCain is pc-illiterate. Palin? A dim bulb with a 17-yr daughter that's pregnant! Yep. The father will drop out of high school to become a father...flipping brilliant. Yet McCain says she's inspiring to Americans. She abused her power in Alaska. She's a complete flop as is Mr. War Hero. He's a tempermental fool that up until recently said American is strong...workers are strong. Well, the overwhelming majority of Americans disagree. They've never seen America such a mess and its national debt so high. $10 trillion dollars compliments of Bush's failed, perpetual wars. We are worse- off now than ever. In fact, your household's share of this national debt is now $86,000. How we doing? I agree we as Americans have to come together to get government back working for The People. But right now it's completely corrupt. The trillion dollars in bailouts that the banks are now saying won't even work! are simply plundering America's cash register. McCain admits he doesn't understand economics and relies on jackasses like Graham to guide him. Well, just remember it was these same Republicans that when after lobbied by Wall St banks proposed legislation to change the Glass-Steagall Act that would have prevented the current disaster. That's right. Read about it here. Sure Clinton signed it...because it was veto-proof...controlled by the Republicans. So it is my point to bring clarity not hatred or argument. Information is key. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act George Bush will go down as THE WORST President in US history. You must be one of the 1% that approves of him. He's a jackass. He is a baffoon and clueless how to run a country. He listens to advisors that benefit from the strings attached to his hands and mouth. He's about as bright as McCain who graduated in the bottom 5 of his class. The only reason the war hero came home from Vietnam was he was an admiral's son. NVA referred to him as the Prince and couldn't kill him like many other POWs. After professing his love for his wife that got serious injured in car accident while waiting 7+years for him...he dumped her for someone who could take his war hero status to government. Then his true colors appear in Charles Keating's disaster scandal. Watch the video and see the corruption first hand. But back to Bush...the guy is a pathological liar and should have been impeached. Pelosi doesn't have balls...period. Bush is getting our men and women killed over there and the mess will go on without him mopping it up. Disagree with me on Bush? The get over there in Iraq or Afghanistan and get educated yourself. It's a losing battle. Our soldiers aren't peace keepers or nation builders. We're over there shooting rubber bullets and bean bags and talking soft. These are warriors--trained killers. Yet they don't even know who to kill to lead to victory. It's a frigging morass...another Vietnam. McCain will tell you he'll end the wars but like Nixon spend years unwinding a mess. Get our troops out. Go talk to soldiers coming back if you don't get it. Obama is going to win. There is no doubt in my mind. People need to put fear behind and trust intelligence. These last 8 years we've been lead by fools. Obama won't stand for it...neither will we. Get our troops home and let's get building in our own backyard. We'll drag the corrupt idiots one-by-one out of Congress and get moving in the right direction. And how's Republican Ted Stevens doing in Alaska with his corruption cases? Indictment On July 29, 2008 Stevens was indicted by a federal grand jury on seven counts of failing to properly report gifts. The charges relate to renovations to his home and alleged gifts from VECO Corporation, claimed to be worth more than $250,000. The indictment followed a lengthy investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) for possible corruption into Alaskan politicians and was based on his relationship with Bill Allen. Allen, then an oil service company executive, had earlier pled guilty, with sentencing suspended pending his cooperation in gathering evidence and giving testimony in other trials, to bribing several Alaskan state legislators, including a disputed claim about Stevens' son, former State Senator Ben Stevens. Stevens declared, "I'm innocent," and pled not guilty to the charges in a federal district court on July 31, 2008. Stevens asserted his right to a speedy trial so that he could have the opportunity to promptly clear his name and requested that the trial be held before the 2008 election. US District Court Judge in Washington DC Emmet G. Sullivan, on October 2, 2008 denied Steven's chief counsel, Brendan Sullivan's mistrial petition due to allegations of withholding evidence by prosecutors. Thus, the latter were admonished, and would submit themselves for internal probe by the United States Department of Justice. Brady v. Maryland requires prosecutors to give a defendant all information for defense. Judge Sulllivan had earlier admonished the prosecution for sending home to Alaska a witness who might have helped the defense. Home remodeling and VECO May 29, 2007, the Anchorage Daily News reported that the FBI and a federal grand jury were investigating an "extensive" remodeling project at Stevens' home in Girdwood. Stevens' Alaska home was raided by the FBI and IRS on July 30, 2007. The remodeling work doubled the size of the modest home. Public records show that the house and property is now 2,471 square feet (230 m2) and valued at about $441,000 in 2007. The remodel in 2000 was organized by Bill Allen, a founder of the VECO Corporation, an oil-field service company and has been estimated to have cost VECO and its subcontractors $250,000 or more. The residential contractor who finished the renovation for VECO, Augie Paone, "believes the [Stevens'] remodeling could have cost if all the work was done efficiently around $130,000 to $150,000, close to the figure Stevens cited last year." The Stevens paid $160,000 for the rennovations "and assumed that covered everything. In June, the Anchorage Daily News reported that a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., heard evidence in May about the expansion of Stevens' Girdwood home and other matters connecting Stevens to Veco.n In mid-June, FBI agents questioned several aides who work for Stevens as part of the investigation. In July, Washingtonian magazine reported that Stevens had hired "Washington's most powerful and expensive lawyer", Brendan Sullivan Jr., in response to the investigation. In 2006, during wiretapped conversations with Bill Allen, Stevens expressed worries over potential misunderstandings and legal complications arising from the sweeping federal investigations into Alaskan politics. On the witness stand, "Allen testified that Veco staff who had worked on his own house had charged 'way too much,' leaving him uncertain how much to invoice Stevens for when he had his staff work on the senator's house ... that he would be embarrassed to bill Stevens for overpriced labor on the house, and said he concealed some of the expense." Former aide McCabe The Justice Department is also examining whether federal funds that Stevens steered to the Alaska SeaLife Center may have enriched a former aide. Currently the United States Department of Commerce and the Interior Department's inspector general are investigating "how millions of dollars that Stevens (R-Alaska) obtained for the nonprofit Alaska SeaLife Center were spent." According to CNN, "Among the questions is how about $700,000 of nearly $4 million directed to the National Park Service wound up being paid to companies associated with Trevor McCabe, a former legislative director for Stevens." Trident Seafoods In 2007 Stevens added $3.5 million into a Senate spending bill to help finance an airport to serve a remote Alaskan island. The airstrip would connect the roughly 100 permanent residents of Akutan, but the biggest beneficiary is the Seattle-based Trident Seafoods Corp. that operates "one of the world's largest seafood processing plants on the volcanic island in the Aleutians." In December 2006 a federal grand jury investigating political corruption in Alaska ordered Trident and other seafood companies to produce documents about ties to the senator's son, former Alaska Fisheries Marketing Board Chairman Ben Stevens. Trident's chief executive, Charles Bundrant, is a longtime supporter of Sen. Stevens, and Bundrant with his family contributed $17,300 since 1995 to Ted Stevens' political campaigns and $10,800 to his leadership PAC while Bundrant also gave $55,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee. Bob Penney In September, The Hill reported that Stevens had "steered millions of federal dollars to a sportfishing industry group founded by Bob Penney, a longtime friend". In 1998, Stevens invested $15,000 in Utah land deal managed by Penney; in 2004, Stevens sold his share of the property for $150,000.

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Post by greg saunders » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:46 pm

But,,,,, tell me,, how do you really feel! To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comFrom: traderpro2003@...: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:09:53 +0000Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Freedom is important...get your head out of the sand! - NKLR One final point I want to make is for all you drill baby drill people...Right now oil companies are sitting on 65 million acres of drillable land. They're not interested in developing this....instead they want Americans to open up even more for them to hoard and plunder for the next 20 years. Currently, they can drill in many cases in 50-100 mile off-shore areas. Bush has done everything he possibly can for Big Oil including continue support for subsidies that oil companies insist they don't even need. We Americans give Big Oil billions in subsides while we highly-encourage them to plunder Americans' oil reserves. This is our oil not private companies'. Why should we be paying them to make billions off of us? For the first 6-months, Exxon Mobile made $22 billion in profit. That's AFTER spending $220 billion in God knows what in expenses. In other words, oil revenue for Exxon alone for the first 6-months was (brace yourself) $255 billion dollars! Big oil is plundering America. Meanwhile refineries are running at 83% of capacity keeping prices nice and lofty. It's high time to say good riddance to Bush and his war machine and say no thanks to McSame. It's all about Big Oil and lining the pockets of these crooks while holding Americans hostage. It's our oil. It's time to eliminate oil subsidies...and in fact profit here in America for our own oil! It belongs to Americans. Like Alaska's Permanent Fund, we should be hiring contracts to drill the oil and then keep the profit within our nation to fund an oil-free future. The oil extracted in America should be paying for alternatives that will be our future not lining executives pockets and building nothing for our children. Oil money should go to energy independence. I'm saying as well it should NOT be going to scholarships and other b/s social programs until we solve the national security issue of our dependence on foreign oil. Conclusively, off-shore drilling is not the answer. You see oil prices drop $.05 and not a drop for the next 10-years. Off-shore drilling is a big, expensive gamble that the oil companies would love to bet your money on. Forget it. Make them drill existing property or lose it! Enough of the oil oligopoly. In fact, it's amazing to see oil come from its over-inflated levels of $145--falling nearly 50% per barrel. Meanwhile the price of gasoline is down roughly 20%. Once again, we know who is in control...Big Oil and a corrupt puppet government. _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by kl650a@verizon.net » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:56 pm

The Argument Against Idiots: The Final Debate How to win the argument de jour with logic and facts The issue: The Final Debate What the liberal whiners say: 'Well, it's all over but the whining and crying from YOU, Fake News, Rush Limbo and all the rest after Barack put this to bed last night, huh?' 'That's cute, change the subject, just like McCain tried to do last night! That's all you lunatics can do. The fact is, Barack is going to give 95% of American workers a tax BREAK!' But because you don't have a plan like Barack does, to rescue the middle class, save Main Street NOT Wall Street, stabilize our economy, provide relief to FAMILIES and help struggling homeowners...and bring back 48 million jobs for the hard-working middle class on Main Street.' 'How PATHETIC of you!?!?!? But I understand that you've got nothing to say today, because you know that Barack has shown steady leadership during this crisis and has offered CONCRETE solutions. Like tax relief for 95% of Americans! That's a REAL solution for middle class Americans on MAIN STREET..and the creation of 48 million new jobs!' 'But again...I get IT!!!!! I do! John McCain has been staggering around from position to position while Barack has been a ROCK during this crisis. He'll get the job done. America saw last night, once again, that we need a change in Washington. Not the same old, tired policies of the last 8 years. AND tax relief for 95% of America's working families!' 'And, as much as you, your CRONIES, John McCain and his FOUR-eyed Barbie doll try to smear Barack Obama...he's going to restore America's credibility and image in the world, while brining home our troops, and keeping us safe.' Your winning, logical, reasoned arguments 1. I don't know that ANYBODY really "put it to bed last night", unless maybe it was Democrat Congressman Tim Mahoney, with another one of his "campaign workers"? 2. 48 million jobs? How many of those will be in the call-girl industry, to satisfy the demand created by Tim Mahoney? 3. How do you give a tax cut to 95% of Americans, when 40% of Americans DON'T PAY TAXES? And how can you add $1.3 TRILLION in spending programs, NOT including what his health care plan will cost...during an economic crisis, while giving tax CUTS to 95% of Americans, and raising taxes on the remaining successful people who EMPLOY the middle class? 4. I like the "restore credibility and image", line. Will he do that by hanging out with America-hating radicals and domestic terrorists, as he's been doing for most of his life? And will he keep America safe by cutting off the military's research and development programs and slashing their budgets by 10's of billions of dollars? Obama's policies are older than Bush's or McCain's...they go all the way back to Jimmy Carter, 30 years ago! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by traderpro2003 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:00 pm

i think our 'scared of change' folks in here A) fear the black man cometh or 2) prefer circling the bowl ready to flush America permanently out to sea

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Post by traderpro2003 » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:00 pm

i think our 'scared of change' folks in here A) fear the black man cometh or B) prefer circling the bowl ready to flush America permanently out to sea

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Post by albatrossklr » Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:39 pm

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose And nothing ain't worth nothing honey if it ain't free" Kris Kristofferson albatross and feeling good is good enough for me --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "traderpro2003" wrote:
> > I don't think people understand how important this election is... >
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> > >

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