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Hi All, I just wanted to thank Bill Watson for the effort and time in the production and creation of the ThermoBob. I installed it three weeks ago and it works just as it should. I live in northern Ontario and this device will lengthen my riding season by a couple of months at least! In the previous 4 years of KLR ownership the thermo-cycling in cold weather often didn't raise the temp needle much above cold - leading to premature wear, poor gas millage and guilt about being hard on the bike. Now the temp raises to just shy of middle within a couple of Km and stays there, the bike reacts better in chilly weather and I get to ride more. Thanks again for making my bike better Alex

[Bill Watson]

Alex, It's been great that so many have found it beneficial. The whole subject has always interested me but I figured only 10 other KLR riders would even care, but the response has been good. Eagle Mike is the other key that made this come together. He charges too little for all the work and effort he has in these. He really cares about things being right for the KLR community, and it shows. He hasn't asked for more money but I'm raising the price on April 16 and he will get half of the increase whether he likes it or not! Glad to hear it's doing what you bought it to do, and thanks for spending the time to write. Bill Watson Phoenix, AZ www.xanga.com/watt_man Alex wrote: ----------------------------------------- Hi All, I just wanted to thank Bill Watson for the effort and time in the production and creation of the ThermoBob. I installed it three weeks ago and it works just as it should. I live in northern Ontario and this device will lengthen my riding season by a couple of months at least! In the previous 4 years of KLR ownership the thermo-cycling in cold weather often didn't raise the temp needle much above cold - leading to premature wear, poor gas millage and guilt about being hard on the bike. Now the temp raises to just shy of middle within a couple of Km and stays there, the bike reacts better in chilly weather and I get to ride more. Thanks again for making my bike better Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim]

From what I have read, this looks like something I might be interested in. My temp hardly ever climbs above the lowest line. In my area, half of my riding is done at temps below 50 degrees F. I've been riding to work every day for a little over a week, with morning temps often in the 20's or 30's. Even in the summer, nighttime temps are usually only in the 50's to lower 60's. I'd love to let this thing get up to temp better. If the KLR had a better charging system, I'd put an electric blanket around the engine! Jim

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote: > > Alex, > > It's been great that so many have found it beneficial. The whole subject has always interested me but I figured only 10 other KLR riders would even care, but the response has been good. > > Eagle Mike is the other key that made this come together. He charges too little for all the work and effort he has in these. He really cares about things being right for the KLR community, and it shows. He hasn't asked for more money but I'm raising the price on April 16 and he will get half of the increase whether he likes it or not! > > Glad to hear it's doing what you bought it to do, and thanks for spending the time to write. > > Bill Watson > Phoenix, AZ > www.xanga.com/watt_man > > Alex wrote: > ----------------------------------------- > Hi All, I just wanted to thank Bill Watson for the effort and time in > the production and creation of the ThermoBob. I installed it three > weeks ago and it works just as it should. I live in northern Ontario > and this device will lengthen my riding season by a couple of months > at least! In the previous 4 years of KLR ownership the thermo-cycling > in cold weather often didn't raise the temp needle much above cold > - leading to premature wear, poor gas millage and guilt about being > hard on the bike. > Now the temp raises to just shy of middle within a couple of Km and > stays there, the bike reacts better in chilly weather and I get to > ride more. > > Thanks again for making my bike better > > Alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:48:22 -0000 "Jim" writes:

> From what I have read, this looks like something I might be > interested > in. My temp hardly ever climbs above the lowest line. In my area, > half > of my riding is done at temps below 50 degrees F. I've been riding > to > work every day for a little over a week, with morning temps often > in > the 20's or 30's. Even in the summer, nighttime temps are usually > only > in the 50's to lower 60's. I'd love to let this thing get up to > temp > better. If the KLR had a better charging system, I'd put an > electric > blanket around the engine! > > Jim

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Jim, If you install a Thermo-Bob on your KLR you won't need an electric blanket on the engine. : ) Your riding conditions are well suited for this unit. They really are THAT good!!!! Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote:

>

He hasn't asked for more money but I'm raising the price on April 16 and he will get half of the increase whether he likes it or not!

> > Glad to hear it's doing what you bought it to do, and thanks for

spending the time to write.

> > Bill Watson > Phoenix, AZ > www.xanga.com/watt_man > > Alex wrote:

Bill, IT sounds like an invitation to buy that next thermobob! as though I need one! I would like another thermobob--(I bought a 2d KLR--it is in Dallas, I leave 30 April to get it) and will need the temp gauge as well to go with the 'device'. While you are at it, I would like a temp gauge for a 'friend' as well. So, 1-thermobob; 2 temp gauges/faceplates. Tell me how to pay, check, MO, paypal etc. I would like to have it in hand NLT than 6 May. We are headed to Jeff Salines on 7 May for 5 days of riding....wish you were there as well. revmaaatin.

[Jeff Saline]

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Thomas Komjathy writes: How well does the TB work in hot conditions like we have in Georgia? TK <><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> TK, I've posted this reply to the list too. I realize it was only addressed to me but I think this is one of the posts that many can benefit from. And I'm thinking Bill Watson would like to have a chance to put in his two cents worth. After all he is the daddy of the Thermo-Bob. I'm guessing you have hot and humid weather in Georgia? How hot is hot I don't know. But the temp will be stable in the engine using a 195 degree stat with by-pass. That's the neat thing about it that you don't have large temperature fluctuations like with the stock system. In hot temps the stat is going to be opened all the way all the time once you've run a few miles. That's with the stock system/stat or the Thermo-Bob. The Thermo-Bob I think will probably have a temperature increase of 2 or 3 degrees over the stock stat. The limiting factor in hot conditions is the radiator being a bit small. If you can't shed the heat... well... you can't shed the heat. If you only ride in temps above maybe 75 degrees you may not benefit from the Thermo-Bob like a guy that normally rides in temps from 20 to 105 degrees. That would be me. But with the Thermo-Bob your engine will still get to operating temperature faster and then have smaller heat/cooling cycle swings compared with the stock set up. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bill Watson]

The Rev. wrote: I would like another thermobob--( I bought a 2d KLR--it is in Dallas, I leave 30 April to get it) and will need the temp gauge as well to go with the 'device'. While you are at it, I would like a temp gauge for a 'friend' as well. So, 1-thermobob; 2 temp gauges/faceplates. Tell me how to pay, check, MO, paypal etc. -------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Rev, nice to hear from you again. Details of payment are found at www.xanga.com/watt_man - just make the payment on or before tax day. You call to method - checks, MO or PayPal all work fine. And to answer Jeff's reply to TK - Jeff summed it up well as always. Even a stock bike ridden only in 110 degree weather still goes through a few hot/cold swings in water temp on every start-up, even after running into a store for 10 minutes. The best analogy I could come up with is riding down the road with the bike all warmed up, and every 40 seconds, some dork steps off the curb in front of you and throws a bucket of ambient temperature water on your engine as you pass by. In the winter, these guys are lined up at 40 second intervals all day! In the summer, it still happens a few times after every engine start. So by letting water flow all the time through the bypass, this thermal shock is essentially eliminated. Just look at the YELLOW lines on the plots at the site stated above in my response to the Rev. Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote:

> > The Rev. wrote: > > I would like another thermobob--( I bought a 2d KLR--it is > in Dallas, I leave 30 April to get it) and will need the temp gauge > as well to go with the 'device'. While you are at it, I would like > a temp gauge for a 'friend' as well. > So, 1-thermobob; 2 temp gauges/faceplates. > > Tell me how to pay, check, MO, paypal etc. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Rev, nice to hear from you again. Details of payment are

found at www.xanga.com/watt_man - just make the payment on or before tax day. You call to method - checks, MO or PayPal all work fine.

> > And to answer Jeff's reply to TK - Jeff summed it up well as

always. Even a stock bike ridden only in 110 degree weather still goes through a few hot/cold swings in water temp on every start-up, even after running into a store for 10 minutes. The best analogy I could come up with is riding down the road with the bike all warmed up, and every 40 seconds, some dork steps off the curb in front of you and throws a bucket of ambient temperature water on your engine as you pass by. In the winter, these guys are lined up at 40 second intervals all day! In the summer, it still happens a few times after every engine start.

> > So by letting water flow all the time through the bypass, this

thermal shock is essentially eliminated. Just look at the YELLOW lines on the plots at the site stated above in my response to the Rev.

> > Bill

Bill, is there any advantage to owners using their bikes in hot climates in using a 13828/180deg 'stat vs. the 13829/195deg 'stat supplied in your kit? ED

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Dobson" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote: > > > > The Rev. wrote: > > > > I would like another thermobob--( I bought a 2d KLR--it is > > in Dallas, I leave 30 April to get it) and will need the temp gauge > > as well to go with the 'device'. While you are at it, I would like > > a temp gauge for a 'friend' as well. > > So, 1-thermobob; 2 temp gauges/faceplates. > > > > Tell me how to pay, check, MO, paypal etc. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Hey Rev, nice to hear from you again. Details of payment are > found at www.xanga.com/watt_man - just make the payment on or before > tax day. You call to method - checks, MO or PayPal all work fine. > > > > And to answer Jeff's reply to TK - Jeff summed it up well as > always. Even a stock bike ridden only in 110 degree weather still > goes through a few hot/cold swings in water temp on every start-up, > even after running into a store for 10 minutes. The best analogy I > could come up with is riding down the road with the bike all warmed > up, and every 40 seconds, some dork steps off the curb in front of you > and throws a bucket of ambient temperature water on your engine as you > pass by. In the winter, these guys are lined up at 40 second > intervals all day! In the summer, it still happens a few times after > every engine start. > > > > So by letting water flow all the time through the bypass, this > thermal shock is essentially eliminated. Just look at the YELLOW > lines on the plots at the site stated above in my response to the Rev. > > > > Bill > > Bill, is there any advantage to owners using their bikes in hot > climates in using a 13828/180deg 'stat vs. the 13829/195deg 'stat > supplied in your kit? > > ED

Also, it appears that Stant now also makes SuperStat versions of 13828 and 13829 which are 45828 and 45829. Any advantage to using the SuperStat thermostat? ED

[albatrossklr]

I ride year round in NC and have had no problem with temp with the stock set-up, coldest ride 30 f hottest ride 100 f. Perhaps I'm thick or deluding myself but do not understand the why of it. albatross just wondering?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Thomas Komjathy > writes: > How well does the TB work in hot conditions like we have in Georgia? > > TK > <><><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><><> > > TK, > > I've posted this reply to the list too. I realize it was only addressed > to me but I think this is one of the posts that many can benefit from. > And I'm thinking Bill Watson would like to have a chance to put in his > two cents worth. After all he is the daddy of the Thermo-Bob. > > I'm guessing you have hot and humid weather in Georgia? How hot is hot I > don't know. But the temp will be stable in the engine using a 195 degree > stat with by-pass. That's the neat thing about it that you don't have > large temperature fluctuations like with the stock system. > > In hot temps the stat is going to be opened all the way all the time once > you've run a few miles. That's with the stock system/stat or the > Thermo-Bob. The Thermo-Bob I think will probably have a temperature > increase of 2 or 3 degrees over the stock stat. The limiting factor in > hot conditions is the radiator being a bit small. If you can't shed the > heat... well... you can't shed the heat. > > If you only ride in temps above maybe 75 degrees you may not benefit from > the Thermo-Bob like a guy that normally rides in temps from 20 to 105 > degrees. That would be me. But with the Thermo-Bob your engine will > still get to operating temperature faster and then have smaller > heat/cooling cycle swings compared with the stock set up. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >