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[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 04:19:10PM -0700, Ed Chait wrote:

> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jud Jones" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:43 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Loud Pipes Save Lives > > >>>Do you think it makes you safer if the noise makes the car driver want to > >>>run into you? > > > I don't often encounter people who are sociopathic to that degree. Your > mileage, of course, may vary.

It's been my experience that sudden loud noises make some drivers swerve in a random direction -- you have a 50% chance it will be _into_ you instead of _away from_ you. I am not a fan of super-loud horns either, for exactly that reason (there was a thread about this in rec.motorcycles a few years ago with some really horrifying stories). The solution to the problem of drivers not seeing you is to _not ride in their blind spot_ and to always, always, always have enough situational awareness to already know where you're going to go if the nearest car starts to crowd you. Thor

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Holm wrote: > > > > Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is another point.

Those biggest and baddest

> and loudest bikes these 'parade people' ride are also the slowest

and worse handling bikes

> on the road, for all the cubes they have and the noise they make! > > Every time I hear one, I recall the line from Macbeth: "...a tale

told by an idiot, full of sound

> and fury, signifying nothing." >

TURN ON THE WINK AND A SMILE 'MODE' Hi Judd, In this part of SD, they say, "Can anything good come out of Minnesota?" Your quote of Macbeth is very impressive. So, I would have to say, something good can come from Minnesota. (push wink and smile switch, again) I applaud your impressive, situational application to a subject that has become a bit (gag) much. Willy S. would have been awed as well. revmaaatin. #1 SD export is not ethanol, its people...moving to Minnesota. Side bar comment: wonder why the `B' in Macbeth is not capitalized? I even checked to see that is was properly spelled. And it is. As always, Jud is dialed in.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Holm wrote: > > > > Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is another point.

Those biggest and baddest

> and loudest bikes these 'parade people' ride are also the slowest

and worse handling bikes

> on the road, for all the cubes they have and the noise they make! > > Every time I hear one, I recall the line from Macbeth: "...a tale

told by an idiot, full of sound

> and fury, signifying nothing." >

Hmmm. Apparently discussions about 'loud pipes' do save lives...I have yet to see or hear of a single advocate of loud/muffled pipes be killed while they 'clicked-away' endlessly on countless anonymous keyboards in a pointless rage heard only in their own heads. revmaaatin. not raging, but thinking about it...

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "J Fortner" wrote:

> > On 8/17/06, Ed Chait wrote: > > > > JJ said: > > > > >>>Do you think it makes you safer if the noise makes the car

driver want

> > to > > >>>run into you? > > > > I don't often encounter people who are sociopathic to that

degree. Your

> > mileage, of course, may vary. > > > > Ed you are very lucky. > It is not uncommon on Texas county for riders to be run off the

road for

> simply riding the wrong "type" of motorcycle or even riding a

motorcycle.

> Believe it or not some people do not like motorcycles or riders.

Let alone

> pissing a not quite right car or truck driver off with noise or

poor riding

> practices. > jf >

As always Jim, You offer an excellent reason to learn to shoot the Colt 1911 .45 pistol with the left hand; self defense while on the KLR. or on the other hand, Your premise also suggests that if we really want to offer a full line of self defense to someone trying to kill us with their 350 Chevy, it is necessary to install a Vista Cruise Lock on the throttle so you can use two Colt 1911 .45 pistols at the same time. (Counter steering with weight transfer of your feet is applicable.) RANT-"ON" You got me going now . Trying to kill me with a 350 Chevy is tantamount to attempted murder, and in most states, you have the right to defend yourself with equal vigor. Exercise your right to conceal carry and learn to shoot your `piece' like your life depended on it. If you should ever find yourself leading to an armed conflict, (I suggest that you should) wait to the last moment to show your weapon, nothing worse than bringing a pistol to a gunfight and the other guy has a rifle. And if you have to pull your piece, your life had better depend on it, and the decision to pull the trigger has already been made. Your best sight alignment will be necessary on this occasion. Unbelievable. People trying to kill you for sport. They will only get one chance against an properly armed cyclist. revmaaatin. gun control is hitting what you aim at. Posted without apology, A-Men. RANT-"STILL ON"

[teamster1997]

>> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "J Fortner" > wrote: > If you should ever find yourself leading to an armed conflict, (I > suggest that you should) wait to the last moment to show your

weapon,

> nothing worse than bringing a pistol to a gunfight and the other

guy

> has a rifle. And if you have to pull your piece, your life had > better depend on it, and the decision to pull the trigger has

already

> been made. Your best sight alignment will be necessary on this > occasion. > > Unbelievable. People trying to kill you for sport. They will only > get one chance against an properly armed cyclist. > > revmaaatin. gun control is hitting what you aim at. Posted

without

> apology, A-Men. > > RANT-"STILL ON" >

AMEN

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

My whole take on this "noise" thing is as follows: Yes, I have a Harley. Yes, I like it a bit louder than the stock exhaust. The stock exhaust is pretty bland sounding. So I bought a popular aftermarket exhaust, a Vance & Hines Big Shot Staggered exhaust. It sounds really nice, but it is very loud. It does have a perforated steel baffle in each exhaust tube, but it is still loud. I recently learned about something called "quiet baffles" from Vance & Hines for this exhaust system, so I ordered a set. It is basically a fiberglass-packed tube that replaces the stock baffles. While it does quiet the bike some, it is still very loud, and not nearly the sound reduction I was hoping for. I was less than impressed. So my question is are there any other ways to quiet down the sound? It is as if the manufacturers only make loud Harley pipes. Perhaps some pressure could be brought on manufacturers to produce more baffles for their exhausts. And no, I don't want a Supertrapp. I think they look stupid. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Holm wrote: > > > > Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is another point.

Those biggest and baddest

> and loudest bikes these 'parade people' ride are also the slowest

and worse handling bikes

> on the road, for all the cubes they have and the noise they make! > > Every time I hear one, I recall the line from Macbeth: "...a tale

told by an idiot, full of sound

> and fury, signifying nothing." >

Nicely done. Where did it come from, well, glad you asked, here it is: http://www.online-literature.com/shakespeare/macbeth/26/ Act 5. Scene V SCENE V. Dunsinane. Within the castle. Enter MACBETH, SEYTON, and Soldiers, with drum and colours MACBETH Hang out our banners on the outward walls; The cry is still 'They come:' our castle's strength Will laugh a siege to scorn: here let them lie Till famine and the ague eat them up: Were they not forced with those that should be ours, We might have met them dareful, beard to beard, And beat them backward home. A cry of women within What is that noise? SEYTON It is the cry of women, my good lord. Exit MACBETH I have almost forgot the taste of fears; The time has been, my senses would have cool'd To hear a night-shriek; and my fell of hair Would at a dismal treatise rouse and stir As life were in't: I have supp'd full with horrors; Direness, familiar to my slaughterous thoughts Cannot once start me. Re-enter SEYTON Wherefore was that cry? SEYTON The queen, my lord, is dead. MACBETH She should have died hereafter; There would have been a time for such a word. To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage --HERE IS JUD'S POST--QUOTE And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Enter a Messenger Thou comest to use thy tongue; thy story quickly. Messenger Gracious my lord, I should report that which I say I saw, But know not how to do it. MACBETH Well, say, sir. Messenger As I did stand my watch upon the hill, I look'd toward Birnam, and anon, methought, The wood began to move. MACBETH Liar and slave! Messenger Let me endure your wrath, if't be not so: Within this three mile may you see it coming; I say, a moving grove. MACBETH If thou speak'st false, Upon the next tree shalt thou hang alive, Till famine cling thee: if thy speech be sooth, I care not if thou dost for me as much. I pull in resolution, and begin To doubt the equivocation of the fiend That lies like truth: 'Fear not, till Birnam wood Do come to Dunsinane:' and now a wood Comes toward Dunsinane. Arm, arm, and out! If this which he avouches does appear, There is nor flying hence nor tarrying here. I gin to be aweary of the sun, And wish the estate o' the world were now undone. Ring the alarum-bell! Blow, wind! come, wrack! At least we'll die with harness on our back. Exeunt

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Holm wrote: > > > > > > Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is another point. > Those biggest and baddest > > and loudest bikes these 'parade people' ride are also the slowest > and worse handling bikes > > on the road, for all the cubes they have and the noise they make! > > > > Every time I hear one, I recall the line from Macbeth: "...a tale > told by an idiot, full of sound > > and fury, signifying nothing." > > > > Nicely done. Where did it come from, well, glad you asked, here it is: > > http://www.online-literature.com/shakespeare/macbeth/26/ > > Act 5. Scene V > > SCENE V. Dunsinane. Within the castle. > > Enter MACBETH, SEYTON, and Soldiers, with drum and colours > MACBETH > Hang out our banners on the outward walls; > The cry is still 'They come:' our castle's strength > Will laugh a siege to scorn: here let them lie > Till famine and the ague eat them up: > Were they not forced with those that should be ours, > We might have met them dareful, beard to beard, > And beat them backward home. > > A cry of women within > > What is that noise? > > SEYTON > It is the cry of women, my good lord. > > Exit > > MACBETH > I have almost forgot the taste of fears; > The time has been, my senses would have cool'd > To hear a night-shriek; and my fell of hair > Would at a dismal treatise rouse and stir > As life were in't: I have supp'd full with horrors; > Direness, familiar to my slaughterous thoughts > Cannot once start me. > > Re-enter SEYTON > > Wherefore was that cry? > > SEYTON > The queen, my lord, is dead. > > MACBETH > She should have died hereafter; > There would have been a time for such a word. > To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, > Creeps in this petty pace from day to day > To the last syllable of recorded time, > And all our yesterdays have lighted fools > The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! > Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player > That struts and frets his hour upon the stage > --HERE IS JUD'S POST--QUOTE > And then is heard no more: it is a tale > Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, > Signifying nothing. > > Enter a Messenger > > Thou comest to use thy tongue; thy story quickly. > > Messenger > Gracious my lord, > I should report that which I say I saw, > But know not how to do it. > > MACBETH > Well, say, sir. > > Messenger > As I did stand my watch upon the hill, > I look'd toward Birnam, and anon, methought, > The wood began to move. > > MACBETH > Liar and slave! > > Messenger > Let me endure your wrath, if't be not so: > Within this three mile may you see it coming; > I say, a moving grove. > > MACBETH > If thou speak'st false, > Upon the next tree shalt thou hang alive, > Till famine cling thee: if thy speech be sooth, > I care not if thou dost for me as much. > I pull in resolution, and begin > To doubt the equivocation of the fiend > That lies like truth: 'Fear not, till Birnam wood > Do come to Dunsinane:' and now a wood > Comes toward Dunsinane. Arm, arm, and out! > If this which he avouches does appear, > There is nor flying hence nor tarrying here. > I gin to be aweary of the sun, > And wish the estate o' the world were now undone. > Ring the alarum-bell! Blow, wind! come, wrack! > At least we'll die with harness on our back. > > Exeunt >

Fun with Google, eh? Exeunt, indeed.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote:

> > My whole take on this "noise" thing is as follows: > > Yes, I have a Harley. Yes, I like it a bit louder than the stock exhaust. > The stock exhaust is pretty bland sounding. So I bought a popular > aftermarket exhaust, a Vance & Hines Big Shot Staggered exhaust. It sounds really > nice, but it is very loud. It does have a perforated steel baffle in each > exhaust tube, but it is still loud. > > I recently learned about something called "quiet baffles" from Vance & Hines > for this exhaust system, so I ordered a set. It is basically a > fiberglass-packed tube that replaces the stock baffles. > > While it does quiet the bike some, it is still very loud, and not nearly the > sound reduction I was hoping for. I was less than impressed. > > So my question is are there any other ways to quiet down the sound? It is > as if the manufacturers only make loud Harley pipes. > > Perhaps some pressure could be brought on manufacturers to produce more > baffles for their exhausts. > > And no, I don't want a Supertrapp. I think they look stupid. >

With a Harley, looks come before everything else, right? On the road, the fastest-running Harleys seem to be the few quiet ones. I have always said that one of the best performance accessories is a pair of ear plugs. Perhaps something similar is at work.

[Matt Knowles]

On Aug 20, 2006, at 7:25 PM, misteraxis wrote:

> I have 2500 miles on my 2006 KLR 650 > and recently found a tear in the rear tire.

I doubt very much that Kawasaki is going to warrantee a tire unless you can prove it really was a manufacturing defect. With 2500 miles on it, I doubt that is possible. At 2500 miles I was replacing the stock tire anyways because it was worn out. Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA) '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned