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[Stephen Grisanti]

>Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer.

What?!? I'm no engineer or physicist (nor do I play one on TV), but what does that have to do with the steering? I've read a considerable amount of stuff about countersteering and never heard that. Nor have I ever ridden a shaft-drive bike, so I can't directly refute this. Not being argumentative, just curious. Stephen --- Norm Keller wrote:

> >"Countersteering > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Kimosabe]

I had a 1984 Honda 650 Nighthawk with a clean, quiet shaft drive. As I recall, it countersteered just like a chain driven bike. It would be great if all bikes could be shaft driven, in fact. It would make "being shafted" a good thing! --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Grisanti wrote:

> > >Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > What?!? > > I'm no engineer or physicist (nor do I play one on > TV), but what does that have to do with the steering? > I've read a considerable amount of stuff about > countersteering and never heard that. Nor have I ever > ridden a shaft-drive bike, so I can't directly refute > this. Not being argumentative, just curious. > > Stephen > > --- Norm Keller wrote: > > > >"Countersteering > > > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > > > Norm > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

[Norm Keller]

You are relatively new to the DSN_650 list so you bit on the "shaft drive bikes can't"...theme. Someone started this a couple of years ago on the theme of "shaft drives can't wheelie" and lots of us bit on that hook. This was just another example of trailing a hook.... (VBG) The funny thing about so many of these things is that it really shows how many things we all "know" but can't prove or personally attest to. I really became aware of this factor when testifying in court as an expert witness. I can't remember who started the "shaft drives can't" but several old timers come to mind as possible culprits. (VBG) I just wish that I had been the first rather than a follower.... Running for cover, Norm

[scarysharkface]

Once again, I'll bite. Explain to me why and how shaft-driven bikes are unable to counter-steer. As of yet I have seen zero evidence for that claim. John

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > >"Countersteering > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Don S]

I was wondering what that topic was all about. I couldn't understand the "shaft drive/countersteer issue. When I took the Motorcycle Safety training course back in 1981, I owned a shaft drive 750 Yamaha Seca and learned how to countersteer using that bike. And as far as wheelies, trust me the Seca had no trouble lifting the front wheel. The only real noticable difference with with a shaft drive is the jacking effect under heavy accelleration. The KLR is my first street legal chain driven bike and despite the requirement for chain maintenance, it suits my needs just fine. Personally, in my opinion, the KLR is one of the few genuine examples of a product that is much more than the sum of it's parts. A couple of days ago, I did a 120 mile round trip to camp and back on the KLR. I had the bike packed for a couple of days at camp. When I got there, I realized I had forgotten my keys. So, back to town. If I had been driving my truck, I would have been some p.o.'d. One of the added values of the KLR that exceeds the sum of it's parts is the pure pleasure of the ride. Nonetheless, I now have a spare key in a nearby location to prevent "no key" problems. Don S. Don S. Don S. Norm Keller wrote: You are relatively new to the DSN_650 list so you bit on the "shaft drive bikes can't"...theme. Someone started this a couple of years ago on the theme of "shaft drives can't wheelie" and lots of us bit on that hook. This was just another example of trailing a hook.... (VBG) The funny thing about so many of these things is that it really shows how many things we all "know" but can't prove or personally attest to. I really became aware of this factor when testifying in court as an expert witness. I can't remember who started the "shaft drives can't" but several old timers come to mind as possible culprits. (VBG) I just wish that I had been the first rather than a follower.... Running for cover, Norm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dail]

And shaft drive bikes can't wheelie !

----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Grisanti To: Norm Keller ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: The science behind our steering >Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. What?!? I'm no engineer or physicist (nor do I play one on TV), but what does that have to do with the steering? I've read a considerable amount of stuff about countersteering and never heard that. Nor have I ever ridden a shaft-drive bike, so I can't directly refute this. Not being argumentative, just curious. Stephen --- Norm Keller wrote: > >"Countersteering > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Douglas Bouley]

my last three shafties sure all thought they were counter steering. Stephen Grisanti wrote:

>>Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. >> >> > >What?!? > >I'm no engineer or physicist (nor do I play one on >TV), but what does that have to do with the steering? >I've read a considerable amount of stuff about >countersteering and never heard that. Nor have I ever >ridden a shaft-drive bike, so I can't directly refute >this. Not being argumentative, just curious. > >Stephen > >--- Norm Keller wrote: > > > >>>"Countersteering >>> >>> >>Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. >> >>Norm >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been >>removed] >> >> >> >>Archive Quicksearch at: >> >> >> >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > >>List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >>www.dualsportnews.com >>List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >>www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

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[Ronald Criswell]

It is the gyroscopic effect. Or the Ginoscopic effect. I forget which. Criswell

On Jun 12, 2006, at 10:09 AM, scarysharkface wrote: > Once again, I'll bite. Explain to me why and how shaft-driven bikes > are unable to counter-steer. As of yet I have seen zero evidence for > that claim. > > John > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > > > >"Countersteering > > > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > > > Norm > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Ford]

Perhaps Gynoscopic? Or is that the effect that keeps us in the stirrups? John

On 6/13/06, Ronald Criswell wrote: > > It is the gyroscopic effect. Or the Ginoscopic effect. I forget which. > > Criswell > On Jun 12, 2006, at 10:09 AM, scarysharkface wrote: > > Once again, I'll bite. Explain to me why and how shaft-driven bikes > are unable to counter-steer. As of yet I have seen zero evidence for > that claim. > > John > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "Norm > Keller" wrote: > > > > >"Countersteering > > > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > > > Norm > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Same reason they cant wheely. The corialus (sp) effect. It's common knowledge in the motorcycle world. The dynamic inversion coupler relies on fabristic influx to transfer the energy. Thus the retrinsion bearings over ride transferance from condusive to semi-condusive. This is the same reason you can NEVER store a computer, or anything magnetized on a shaft drive bike. Well, you can but it will never work again. --- John Ford wrote:

> Perhaps Gynoscopic? Or is that the effect that > keeps us in the stirrups? > > > John > > > On 6/13/06, Ronald Criswell > wrote: > > > > It is the gyroscopic effect. Or the Ginoscopic > effect. I forget which. > > > > Criswell > > On Jun 12, 2006, at 10:09 AM, scarysharkface > wrote: > > > > Once again, I'll bite. Explain to me why and how > shaft-driven bikes > > are unable to counter-steer. As of yet I have seen > zero evidence for > > that claim. > > > > John > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "Norm > > Keller" wrote: > > > > > > >"Countersteering > > > > > > Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer. > > > > > > Norm > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

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