siphon use without sucking gas

[oc4art]

Went on a ride in Death Valley with 6 bikes, 3 dz400, 1 klr250 & 2 klr650's. we were 110 miles into the ride when all of a sudden the dz400 bikes started having to shift to reserve on their fuel tanks followed shortly their after by the klr250. We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water bottles up to get the other bikes back? Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run out of the petcock?? Any other ideas how this could be handled? Thanks Art

[James Cook]

One of your option could be to carry a very small gas siphon. I used one recently on my own KLR 650. The siphon I used had a squeeze ball pump thingee in the middle of a hose. The pump element was a little bigger than a golf ball. The hose maybe 3/8 inch thick and maybe three feet long. If you haven't used a siphon before I should highlight that you don't need to sit there and hand pump it. Squeeze it once and the fluid begins to flow from A to B............and continues until most fluid is gone. This can avoid the need for carry other stuff, like a bottle to put the fuel in. James/California oc4art wrote:

> Went on a ride in Death Valley with 6 bikes, 3 dz400, 1 klr250 & 2 > klr650's. we were 110 miles into the ride when all of a sudden the > dz400 bikes started having to shift to reserve on their fuel tanks > followed shortly their after by the klr250. > > We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one > of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the > fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water > bottles up to get the other bikes back? > > Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run > out of the petcock?? > > Any other ideas how this could be handled? > > Thanks > Art > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 05:11:09PM -0000, oc4art wrote:

> > We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one > of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the > fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water > bottles up to get the other bikes back? > > Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run > out of the petcock??

To get fuel to run out of the petcock, you just need to apply vacuum to the vacuum side. It is easiest to do this by pulling the vacuum hose off at the carb end and sucking on it like a soda straw; it'll taste and smell nasty but you won't get a mouthful of fuel. You *should* only have to apply vacuum there to start the fuel flowing, but it may be that you have to do it continuously. We refueled a DR650 from my bike this way a few summers ago (in a _very_ lonely part of Wyoming) and we had to suck on the vacuum line the whole time until a couple of gallons had flowed -- a few minutes. Icky, but still very effective. Thor

[Andy Kirby]

You can do it but you would have to have a short length of tube to connect to the vacuum 'valve' of the petcock so you could apply the necessary vacuum by sucking onthe tube, no fuel comes out BTW There is a small diaphragm in there that will only allow fuel to flow when the engine is 'sucking' on it, I always carry a short length of tube for general repairs and siphoning duties, rather than sucking, for just such an emergency. BTW if someone does run out of fuel remember that there us usually good amount lurking on the opposite side of the tank, always worth laying the bike over on the side of the petcock to make sure you have used all the available fuel. This worked for a guy I hooked up with a couple of weeks ago and his BMW ran dry, he found enough fuel for a good 10 miles by laying the bike over. Regards Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "oc4art" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] gettign fuel out of a KLR650 in an emergency > Went on a ride in Death Valley with 6 bikes, 3 dz400, 1 klr250 & 2 > klr650's. we were 110 miles into the ride when all of a sudden the > dz400 bikes started having to shift to reserve on their fuel tanks > followed shortly their after by the klr250. > > We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one > of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the > fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water > bottles up to get the other bikes back? > > Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run > out of the petcock?? > > Any other ideas how this could be handled? > > Thanks > Art > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[John Biccum]

Use a self priming siphon hose: http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/573777/7/21792112 I use the same hose to fill the stove fuel bottle for my MSR Dragonfly stove. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of oc4art Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:11 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] gettign fuel out of a KLR650 in an emergency Went on a ride in Death Valley with 6 bikes, 3 dz400, 1 klr250 & 2 klr650's. we were 110 miles into the ride when all of a sudden the dz400 bikes started having to shift to reserve on their fuel tanks followed shortly their after by the klr250. We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water bottles up to get the other bikes back? Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run out of the petcock?? Any other ideas how this could be handled? Thanks Art Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links

[James Cook]

If anyone is interested in viewing a variety of small, portable siphons for gas, many are at this URL, which is a search result list on Google's Froogle service. http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=siphon+gas&hl=en&btnG=Search James oc4art wrote:

> Went on a ride in Death Valley with 6 bikes, 3 dz400, 1 klr250 & 2 > klr650's. we were 110 miles into the ride when all of a sudden the > dz400 bikes started having to shift to reserve on their fuel tanks > followed shortly their after by the klr250. > > We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one > of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the > fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water > bottles up to get the other bikes back? > > Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run > out of the petcock?? > > Any other ideas how this could be handled? > > Thanks > Art > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

[West Hovland]

Two ways that I accomplish the task: 1: I'll sometimes carry a 4 foot section of clear tube and siphon gas into a water bottle 2: Pull the fuel line off the KLR, place container under petcock, start KLR. It will idle for quite awhile on it's carb load while fuel flows into you catch container. West

----- Original Message ----- From: oc4art To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] gettign fuel out of a KLR650 in an emergency Went on a ride in Death Valley with 6 bikes, 3 dz400, 1 klr250 & 2 klr650's. we were 110 miles into the ride when all of a sudden the dz400 bikes started having to shift to reserve on their fuel tanks followed shortly their after by the klr250. We ended up making it back to pavement and a gas station, but if one of the bikes would of run out of fuel, could we of just pulled the fuel line off the petcock on the 650's and filled a couple of water bottles up to get the other bikes back? Whenever I have pulled my tank off , I have never had fuel just run out of the petcock?? Any other ideas how this could be handled? Thanks Art Archive Quicksearch at: [url=http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.htmlhttp://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.comhttp://www.dualsportnews.com/> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.htmlhttp://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html> Member Map at: [url=http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650> Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, James Cook wrote:

> > > One of your option could be to carry a very small gas siphon. > > I used one recently on my own KLR 650. The siphon I used had a

squeeze

> ball pump thingee in the middle of a hose. The pump element was a

little

> bigger than a golf ball. The hose maybe 3/8 inch thick and maybe

three

> feet long. If you haven't used a siphon before I should highlight

that

> you don't need to sit there and hand pump it. Squeeze it once and

the

> fluid begins to flow from A to B............and continues until

most

> fluid is gone. This can avoid the need for carry other stuff, like

a

> bottle to put the fuel in. > > James/California >

WARNING: NOT an ENGINEERING-PHYSICS EXPLANATION of siphoning, based on my own personal (in)experience Hi James, I think we should add (for those who have never experienced the joy of siphoning) that the siphon hose 'exit' must always be lower than the fuel source, i.e. the siphon hose entrance, otherwise, there will not be any head-pressure to power the siphon, at least that has been my experience. A siphon works off the differential air pressure (elevation) and weight of the fuel running out the end of the hose. If the receiving fuel tank is higher than the fuel level of the donor tank, fuel will not flow as a 'siphon'. This is true if using a straight hose or the little flex-pump with the And for those who have never siphoned fuel, you might want to practice it in the 'sanity' of your own garage and see how well it does/does not work. Milk of Magnesia if you swallow some fuel...911 if you swallow a lot of fuel. revmaaatin. who does not like the taste of gasoline in the morning or evening

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Biccum" wrote:

> > Use a self priming siphon hose: > http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/573777/7/21792112 > > I use the same hose to fill the stove fuel bottle for my MSR

Dragonfly

> stove. >

Now John, play nice and 'share' all the details. Please explain what a 'self priming siphon hose', where you got or how you made it and how much it cost. Nice pictures of Moab.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, James Cook wrote: > > > > > > One of your option could be to carry a very small gas siphon. > > > > I used one recently on my own KLR 650. The siphon I used had a > squeeze > > ball pump thingee in the middle of a hose. The pump element was a > little > > bigger than a golf ball. The hose maybe 3/8 inch thick and maybe > three > > feet long. If you haven't used a siphon before I should highlight > that > > you don't need to sit there and hand pump it. Squeeze it once and > the > > fluid begins to flow from A to B............and continues until > most > > fluid is gone. This can avoid the need for carry other stuff, like > a > > bottle to put the fuel in. > > > > James/California > > > > WARNING: NOT an ENGINEERING-PHYSICS EXPLANATION of siphoning, based > on my own personal (in)experience > > Hi James, > I think we should add (for those who have never experienced the joy > of siphoning) that the siphon hose 'exit' must always be lower than > the fuel source, i.e. the siphon hose entrance, otherwise, there > will not be any head-pressure to power the siphon, at least that has > been my experience. A siphon works off the differential air pressure > (elevation) and weight of the fuel running out the end of the hose. > If the receiving fuel tank is higher than the fuel level of the > donor tank, fuel will not flow as a 'siphon'. This is true if > using a straight hose or the little flex-pump with the > > And for those who have never siphoned fuel, you might want to > practice it in the 'sanity' of your own garage and see how well it > does/does not work. Milk of Magnesia if you swallow some fuel...911 > if you swallow a lot of fuel. > > revmaaatin. who does not like the taste of gasoline in the morning > or evening >

The rule I like to follow is: the guy who is out of gas sucks the hose.