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[kr4je@bellsouth.net]

"This being only my second issue of DSN I'm not sure what is usually included for content, but this month's issue definitely seemed to lack meaningful substance. Nice pictures though." This pretty much sums up DS news. I have renewed my subscription for the second year hoping it would get better. It is the only game in town for adventure touring and DS'ing. Even some of the pictures are redundant and could be deleted in favor of usefull text information. I thought Road Runner magazine was going to be good, but it suffers fom the same type of lack of substance. And most (but not all) of the rides are generic and to all the usual tourist areas by well traveled roads. Gus

----- Original Message ----- From: "prackley" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Slide- Why so negative on the KLR? >I have noticed that Kawasaki is not represented in the VIP links > section of "http://www.dualsportnews.com". Now I'm not saying that > makes a difference in the review, but it's something to think > about. Both Suzuki and KTM are listed with Suzuki having a major > presence on the page. > > Overall, I think the article was a pretty fair representation of the > KLR, but it did seem to concentrate more on the negative aspects of > the bike rather than accentuating the positives. > > This being only my second issue of DSN I'm not sure what is usually > included for content, but this month's issue definitely seemed to > lack meaningful substance. Nice pictures though. > > Peter, A19 > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "cactus_reese" > wrote: >> >> I have never read a more negative review of the KLR than what was >> published in the latest DSN issue. Maybe I'm sensitive, but it >> seemed to spend much more time on the negatives than on the >> positives (not unlike an NBC report on the war). It was as if Toby >> was justifying why he got rid of his. >> >> And where does Toby get a weight of 420 lbs? Assuming the 337 lb > dry >> weight is correct, adding 5 lbs for oil and coolant and 38 lb for > a >> full fuel tank only gets you to 380 lbs. >> >> I have ridden with others who have XRs, DRs, and KTMs and can > pretty >> much go anywhere they can (although the XRs and KTM640s and below >> can clearly jump higher and take more challenging lines). I like > the >> added comfort the KLR affords getting to and from the riding area. >> >> My thoughts when reading the article were, "Wow, this is a harsh >> review of the bike that made the magazine". >> >> -Bryan to >> other bikes. >> > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650 ... earch.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Jim Link]

WELL SAID!!! I am just a kid compared to alot of guys in my area. But they have shown me that experiance goes alot farther than muscle and looks. And there HAS to be a reason alot of experianced riders ride the KLR. The KLR is just a great bike. --- Jeff Saline wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:00:09 -0000 "cactus_reese" > writes: > > I have never read a more negative review of the > KLR than what was > > published in the latest DSN issue. > > Biggee Snippage > > >>>>>> > Bryan, > > I read that article also and had similar > impressions. The weight > discrepancy really caught my eye and my math didn't > figure like that in > the article. > > But heck, that was only one guy's impression. I > don't know anything > about his experience level or expectations with > bikes and their > components. But I do know about my experiences and > expectations. I'll > go with my impressions. My review would say the > bike is fine for what it > is. : ) > > Last year my KLR was the only bike I rode. A few > weeks ago I got out my > 1975 BMW R90/6 and got it running again. I took it > for a quick 20 mile > jaunt before changing the fluids and it was pleasing > to say the least. I > did find myself liking the power of the /6 but also > had to remind myself > a few times to back off and control myself. I don't > have to do that > quite as much with the KLR as it just doesn't have > the same power. And I > like that since it keeps me from doing so many > stupid things on a fun > bike. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Randy Shultz]

I agree. I think articles like this are good. From the number of late model, barely ridden KLRs that I see being sold, I would guess that there are a number of people who buy a KLR with unrealistic expectations. As hard as it is to get a test ride, it's a good thing when somebody comes along and points out its limitations versus a true dirt bike. I still remember one review writtens years ago which stated that the KLR was one of the best street bikes ever. That didn't help set realistic expectations in my opinion. Even the best dual sport is a compromise: not the best at anything, except maybe being good at many things. We need to get across the concept of a dual sport: the true all-around bike, and stress the fact that the KLR is inexpensive and has a tremendous aftermarket and user community geared towards helping a buyer customize the bike to what THEY need it to do. To me, that's the real strength of the KLR. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

[Mark Sampson]

"This being only my second issue of DSN I'm not sure what is usually included for content, but this month's issue definitely seemed to lack meaningful substance. Nice pictures though." I'd admit I'm going off subject here. I love holding a magazine in my hands------I'm sure others would agree. It's nice to have those nice big pictures to look at----especially in the John after 4 cups of hot coffee in the morning--really nice and relaxing. I use to have probably 10 magazine subscriptions. Cold hard fact is---there is literally hundreds (more like thousands--or zillions) times more info--technical support--stories---and other motorcycle related stuff out on the net. Magazines are an era I really don't want to see go away----but I'm down to one---and probably won't re-new it. I hate to see all those magazine people lose their jobs. These dang devil boxes have put a lot of people out of jobs. Things are changing aren't they. Mark

[Mark Sampson]

But they have shown me that experiance goes alot farther than muscle and looks. And there HAS to be a reason alot of experianced riders ride the KLR. The KLR is just a great bike. Well said---I was talking to a guy yesterday at a hare scramble. We were talking about riding ability--training--and of course the "Bike". Truth is, he said--------"If you can't run 4 miles--it's not your shoes fault". Mark

[Matt Smith]

Does anyone have the text of this article?

On 3/27/06, Mark Sampson wrote: > > But they have shown me that experiance > goes alot farther than muscle and looks. And there HAS > to be a reason alot of experianced riders ride the > KLR. The KLR is just a great bike. > > Well said---I was talking to a guy yesterday at a hare scramble. We > were talking about riding ability--training--and of course the "Bike". > > Truth is, he said--------"If you can't run 4 miles--it's not your > shoes fault". > > Mark > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 11:53 AM -0500 3/27/06, wrote:

>"This being only my second issue of DSN I'm not sure what is usually >included for content, but this month's issue definitely seemed to >lack meaningful substance. Nice pictures though." >

wrote:

> This pretty much sums up DS news. I have renewed my subscription for the >second year hoping it would get better. It is the only game in town for >adventure touring and DS'ing. Even some of the pictures are redundant and >could be deleted in favor of usefull text information.

I'm with you. I subscribed to DSN for a year and didn't renew. Basically, it didn't suck, but that's about as positive as I can get about it. It was OK to page through it, but it felt awfully empty for four bucks an issue. I still stumble upon a new issue via a neighbor who subscribes, and it hasn't changed. If they would trade in the thick, glossy pages and shallow articles for more substantive $hit that actually mattered, I'd possibly pick it up again, or if they kept it the same and turned it into a monthly for the same price, at least I'd have a better chance of finding something of value. Mark

[Chris Jennings]

> > Dito. > > I'm with you. I subscribed to DSN for a year and didn't renew. > Basically, it didn't suck, but that's about as positive as I can get > about it. It was OK to page through it, but it felt awfully empty for > four bucks an issue. I still stumble upon a new issue via a neighbor > who subscribes, and it hasn't changed. > If they would trade in the thick, glossy pages and shallow articles > for more substantive $hit that actually mattered, I'd possibly pick > it up again, or if they kept it the same and turned it into a monthly > for the same price, at least I'd have a better chance of finding > something of value. > >

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[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:23:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sysmatt@... writes:

On 3/27/06, Mark Sampson wrote: > > But they have shown me that experiance > goes alot farther than muscle and looks. And there HAS > to be a reason alot of experianced riders ride the > KLR. The KLR is just a great bike. The KLR is currently my only bike, I've owned it for 8 years and plan to ride it for many more but " a great bike"? I have never thought so and still don't. So why do I keep on riding it and plan to for a long time? It has middle of the road performance in all areas, really good at nothing but able to do a lot in a utilitarian fashion. I can ride it a thousand miles from my home to my favorite places in Baja and then do the back roads there, but if once I'm there I was offered a DR or XL/XR to ride instead I would swap in a heartbeat. I can't do long road trips on those bikes, they just don't fit me like the KLR does. I think Toby's review was actually pretty accurate and he certainly has put plenty of miles on KLR's. He was one of the early members of this list back in the xmission.com days when I joined in Spring '98 and had a KLR600 before the 650 which he still owns. Kurt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Frey]

I didn't think the DSN review was any more harsh than the general theme of most posts right here in this group - he didn't really bash it - just explained what most of us already know. He pointed out weaknesses that have been listed many times here: suspension, power, weight. There is no perfect Dual Sport bike. If you want a 50/50 bike (Suzuki DRZ-400) then you won't like it as much on long road rides. If you want a more dirt oriented bike - such as the XR-650L or the out of production KLX-650 - then you *really* aren't going to like it on extended pavement rides. I got my KLR and knew exactly what I was buying. A bike that does it all, but is more oriented towards street riding, and you can still take off road. Once off the pavement, you just aren't going to be able to do what you could on, say, a KDX-200. Anyone who says the V-Strom is a good alternate once off the beaten path is either damn good, crazy, or both.