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clint lee jin yew
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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by clint lee jin yew » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:55 am

Dude, good to hear that you're ok. a small price to pay for escaping from something that big. anyway, now tht the dust has settled, its time for repairs. is it not possible if some other good tengai owner loan you a fairing so that you can use it as a template to REPAIR your broken one? use fibre glass, cheaper and after a paint job, not a problem anymore. my dad fell of his tengai a long time ago and that was what his workshop guys did. worked well, until I crashed the bike :) but thats a whole different story. or do an upgrade to change it to a true KLR side panels can be made from steel sheets ( in the U.S this should not be a problem since you guys are well known for metal fabrication). the parts where you need to spend ( ebay or new ) is the front fairing and bracket. clint --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:
> I just got back from a long weekend Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge > Parkway ride with two other guys. > On Saturday, I had the interesting experience of hitting a deer at > mile 145 on the BRP at 60mph. The deer rushed at me from the 1:30 > position and got its head & shoulders wedged in between my Tengai's > forks and frame. After a violent initial impact, its ass end swung > around and hit my right leg HARD. I felt and heard a crunch, and > thought my leg was broken at first. The deer was killed instantly > and the rider behind me said I left it spinning in the road like a > break-dancer. The swirled pattern of blood in the road reminded me > on the 'spin-art' painting toy I had as a kid. > I managed to keep the bike up and kept on going for another 1/4
mile,
> until I realized that the lower right side of my fairing exploded
and
> my fender cracked. I then slammed on the brakes and told the other > riders that we MUST recover every bit of plastic so I can repair
the
> fairing because a new factory replacement is unobtainable, and good > luck in finding a good used one. They couldn't understand that my > bike's condition took importance over my leg, which only ended up
in
> a badly sprained ankle (still sore & swollen, but I'm getting
around
> OK). Although at the time, I was really bummed about the broken > bodywork and was almost ready to pull the plug on the rest of the > weekend, I realized that evening that I got off easy and it was > pretty amazing that I kept control of the bike and that it was
still
> rideable after the impact. > > Mark > > PS: anyone got a fender and right fairing panel from a Tengai for
sale?

scott quillen
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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by scott quillen » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:25 am

I hope you're kidding... vermin??? One of the most graceful, beautiful creatures on earth and you're calling them vermin??? I'm no tree-hugger...I'm pro-gun and a hunter, but deer are NOT vermin... Scott --- Jud Jones wrote:
> Well done! I can't believe you still need a license > to shoot these vermin. There should be a > bounty. > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van > Horn wrote: > > I just got back from a long weekend Skyline Drive > and Blue Ridge > > Parkway ride with two other guys. > > On Saturday, I had the interesting experience of > hitting a deer at > > mile 145 on the BRP at 60mph. The deer rushed at > me from the 1:30 > > position and got its head & shoulders wedged in > between my Tengai's > > forks and frame. After a violent initial impact, > its ass end swung > > around and hit my right leg HARD. I felt and > heard a crunch, and > > thought my leg was broken at first. The deer was > killed instantly > > and the rider behind me said I left it spinning in > the road like a > > break-dancer. The swirled pattern of blood in the > road reminded me > > on the 'spin-art' painting toy I had as a kid. > > I managed to keep the bike up and kept on going > for another 1/4 mile, > > until I realized that the lower right side of my > fairing exploded and > > my fender cracked. I then slammed on the brakes > and told the other > > riders that we MUST recover every bit of plastic > so I can repair the > > fairing because a new factory replacement is > unobtainable, and good > > luck in finding a good used one. They couldn't > understand that my > > bike's condition took importance over my leg, > which only ended up in > > a badly sprained ankle (still sore & swollen, but > I'm getting around > > OK). Although at the time, I was really bummed > about the broken > > bodywork and was almost ready to pull the plug on > the rest of the > > weekend, I realized that evening that I got off > easy and it was > > pretty amazing that I kept control of the bike and > that it was still > > rideable after the impact. > > > > Mark > > > > PS: anyone got a fender and right fairing panel > from a Tengai for sale? > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >
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Donald Marr
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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by Donald Marr » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:43 am

Vermin is a term given to animals which are considered by humans to be pests or nuisances, most associated with the carrying of disease. A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person affected. Sometimes the term is used broadly to include injuries and disabilities. By these definitions, then YES deer are vermin. Have you ever hit one while riding? Have you gone to visit a friend or loved one in the hospital, or (God forbid) a funeral, as a result of them hitting one? Don
>From: scott quillen >To: Jud Jones , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: SPLAT! Hit a deer and my Tengai ain't pretty >no mo' >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:25:10 -0700 (PDT) > >I hope you're kidding... vermin??? > >One of the most graceful, beautiful creatures on earth >and you're calling them vermin??? > >I'm no tree-hugger...I'm pro-gun and a hunter, but >deer are NOT vermin... > >Scott > >--- Jud Jones wrote: > > > Well done! I can't believe you still need a license > > to shoot these vermin. There should be a > > bounty. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van > > Horn wrote: > > > I just got back from a long weekend Skyline Drive > > and Blue Ridge > > > Parkway ride with two other guys. > > > On Saturday, I had the interesting experience of > > hitting a deer at > > > mile 145 on the BRP at 60mph. The deer rushed at > > me from the 1:30 > > > position and got its head & shoulders wedged in > > between my Tengai's > > > forks and frame. After a violent initial impact, > > its ass end swung > > > around and hit my right leg HARD. I felt and > > heard a crunch, and > > > thought my leg was broken at first. The deer was > > killed instantly > > > and the rider behind me said I left it spinning in > > the road like a > > > break-dancer. The swirled pattern of blood in the > > road reminded me > > > on the 'spin-art' painting toy I had as a kid. > > > I managed to keep the bike up and kept on going > > for another 1/4 mile, > > > until I realized that the lower right side of my > > fairing exploded and > > > my fender cracked. I then slammed on the brakes > > and told the other > > > riders that we MUST recover every bit of plastic > > so I can repair the > > > fairing because a new factory replacement is > > unobtainable, and good > > > luck in finding a good used one. They couldn't > > understand that my > > > bike's condition took importance over my leg, > > which only ended up in > > > a badly sprained ankle (still sore & swollen, but > > I'm getting around > > > OK). Although at the time, I was really bummed > > about the broken > > > bodywork and was almost ready to pull the plug on > > the rest of the > > > weekend, I realized that evening that I got off > > easy and it was > > > pretty amazing that I kept control of the bike and > > that it was still > > > rideable after the impact. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > PS: anyone got a fender and right fairing panel > > from a Tengai for sale? > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

scott quillen
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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by scott quillen » Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:16 am

Don, No...I've never hit one...hope I never do. A friend of mine hit one on his KZ1300 and was lucky to survive it. Not going to get into a heated debate here...just that blaming the deer or calling it vermin because it happened to wander into a biker's path doesn't make sense to me. The deer wasn't "stalking the rider"...it just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. At least the rider survived. Agree that deer can be nuisances to riders/drivers/farmers/etc. but demonizing them and expressing the sentiment that "putting a bounty on them" is just WRONG! But everyone is entitled to their opinion, including me. How many species have been driven to near-extinction or total extinction by man??? You might think that's OK, but I do not! Do we wipe out ALL deer to eliminate the possibility of a deer/rider collision? I don't think so... Scott --- Donald Marr wrote:
> Vermin is a term given to animals which are > considered by humans to be pests > or nuisances, most associated with the carrying of > disease. > > A disease is any abnormal condition of the body or > mind that causes > discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person > affected. Sometimes the > term is used broadly to include injuries and > disabilities. > > By these definitions, then YES deer are vermin. > Have you ever hit one while > riding? Have you gone to visit a friend or loved > one in the hospital, or > (God forbid) a funeral, as a result of them hitting > one? > > Don > > > >From: scott quillen > >To: Jud Jones , > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: SPLAT! Hit a deer and > my Tengai ain't pretty > >no mo' > >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:25:10 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I hope you're kidding... vermin??? > > > >One of the most graceful, beautiful creatures on > earth > >and you're calling them vermin??? > > > >I'm no tree-hugger...I'm pro-gun and a hunter, but > >deer are NOT vermin... > > > >Scott > > > >--- Jud Jones wrote: > > > > > Well done! I can't believe you still need a > license > > > to shoot these vermin. There should be a > > > bounty. > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark > Van > > > Horn wrote: > > > > I just got back from a long weekend Skyline > Drive > > > and Blue Ridge > > > > Parkway ride with two other guys. > > > > On Saturday, I had the interesting experience > of > > > hitting a deer at > > > > mile 145 on the BRP at 60mph. The deer rushed > at > > > me from the 1:30 > > > > position and got its head & shoulders wedged > in > > > between my Tengai's > > > > forks and frame. After a violent initial > impact, > > > its ass end swung > > > > around and hit my right leg HARD. I felt and > > > heard a crunch, and > > > > thought my leg was broken at first. The deer > was > > > killed instantly > > > > and the rider behind me said I left it > spinning in > > > the road like a > > > > break-dancer. The swirled pattern of blood in > the > > > road reminded me > > > > on the 'spin-art' painting toy I had as a kid. > > > > I managed to keep the bike up and kept on > going > > > for another 1/4 mile, > > > > until I realized that the lower right side of > my > > > fairing exploded and > > > > my fender cracked. I then slammed on the > brakes > > > and told the other > > > > riders that we MUST recover every bit of > plastic > > > so I can repair the > > > > fairing because a new factory replacement is > > > unobtainable, and good > > > > luck in finding a good used one. They > couldn't > > > understand that my > > > > bike's condition took importance over my leg, > > > which only ended up in > > > > a badly sprained ankle (still sore & swollen, > but > > > I'm getting around > > > > OK). Although at the time, I was really > bummed > > > about the broken > > > > bodywork and was almost ready to pull the plug > on > > > the rest of the > > > > weekend, I realized that evening that I got > off > > > easy and it was > > > > pretty amazing that I kept control of the bike > and > > > that it was still > > > > rideable after the impact. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > PS: anyone got a fender and right fairing > panel > > > from a Tengai for sale? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: > >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > www.dualsportnews.com > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >
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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by Jud Jones » Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:52 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote:
> > Agree that deer can be nuisances to > riders/drivers/farmers/etc. but demonizing them and > expressing the sentiment that "putting a bounty on > them" is just WRONG! But everyone is entitled to their > opinion, including me. > > How many species have been driven to near-extinction > or total extinction by man??? You might think that's > OK, but I do not! > > Do we wipe out ALL deer to eliminate the possibility > of a deer/rider collision? I don't think so...
Bambi is in no immediate danger of extinction. I have heard estimates of the deer populaton of Wisconsin as high as 11,000,000. Long after human habitation of this planet is a faint memory, deer will still be here battling the cockroaches for supremacy. They may be creatures of grace and beauty, but it is not a rare beauty by any means. Besides, there's just no reasoning with them. Let's kill 'em all.

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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by Ron Crandell » Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:18 am

We have too many deer because we humans have killed off their natural enemies such as wolves and cougars and such. When we upset the balance, then something else takes over. They are a pretty animal to watch from a distance, but when I ride, I want them clear away from the roads. I'm not a hunter, but I say that we need to reduce their population and hunting is a good way to do it. I would like to see the deer population get down to a number that makes it a lot more rare to see them around. My $.02 worth for the day. Ron in MN
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote: > > > > Agree that deer can be nuisances to > > riders/drivers/farmers/etc. but demonizing them and > > expressing the sentiment that "putting a bounty on > > them" is just WRONG! But everyone is entitled to their > > opinion, including me. > > > > How many species have been driven to near-extinction > > or total extinction by man??? You might think that's > > OK, but I do not! > > > > Do we wipe out ALL deer to eliminate the possibility > > of a deer/rider collision? I don't think so... > > Bambi is in no immediate danger of extinction. I have heard estimates of the deer > populaton of Wisconsin as high as 11,000,000. Long after human habitation of this planet > is a faint memory, deer will still be here battling the cockroaches for supremacy. They may > be creatures of grace and beauty, but it is not a rare beauty by any means. Besides, there's > just no reasoning with them. Let's kill 'em all.

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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by Blake Sobiloff » Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:58 am

On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Ron Crandell wrote:
> I would like to see the deer population get down to a number that > makes it a lot more rare to see them around.
According to Car and Driver http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp? section_id=22&article_id=4394>, there were around 10 million deer in the US during the 80's. Today, however, there are more than 25 million and the population continues to grow. There are about 500,000 deer-vehicle collisions each year resulting in over 100 human deaths and costing an average of $2,000 per incident. Clearly there's room to increase the number of hunters and the limits to bring the population down and reduce the deer population. -- Blake Sobiloff San Mateo, CA (USA)

Thor Lancelot Simon
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splat! hit a deer and my tengai ain't pretty no mo'

Post by Thor Lancelot Simon » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:06 am

On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:16:07AM -0700, scott quillen wrote:
> > How many species have been driven to near-extinction > or total extinction by man??? You might think that's > OK, but I do not! > > Do we wipe out ALL deer to eliminate the possibility > of a deer/rider collision? I don't think so...
You do understand that deer overpopulation is creating a major ecological disaster in much of the Northeastern United States, right? The number of white-tail deer currently living in New York State, for example, is a large multiple of what it was in 1700. But even in a state whose northern quarter is taken up by a giant park, there is not enough uninterrupted wilderness to sustain most of the major predators that might naturally control the deer population, and thanks to "Bambi" and its touchy-feely ilk, plus the discovery of chronic wasting disease in deer, the number of hunting licenses and the number of hunter's kills is a tiny fraction of what it was even 25 years ago. The deer have no predators, we don't control their population effectively, they have and are ravaging our remaining wild areas by eating everything in sight and starving other species into near extinction (not to mention that when they run out of undergrowth to ravage, they eat the bark from young trees instead and kill them). Deer are not helpless fuzzy sweet creatures that we might "drive into extinction" -- they are a nuisance species whose population is totally out of control through our own fault, and in fact they threaten many other species of plants and animals with extinction. Not to mention motorcycle riders. A deer population that were actually under control would pose that much less springtime risk (obligatory KLR content ;-)). Please think about that next time you're about to go on about how killing the sweet fuzzy deer might DRIVE THEM TO EXTINCTION! Thor

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Post by Mike Frey » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:38 am

In my back yard, deer are "rats of the woods". I would never kill one on purpose (except to eat it) but they sure irritate me by eating my plants. 2 miles of woodland (Agriculture and Nature preserve, so no hunting) behind my house and the darn deer come in and munch everything that I plant! Sneaky things too - they wait till about 2-4AM. One winter they ate my newly planted christmas tree right down to the ground. I don't know what's so tasty about a Frasier Fir. I guess it was exotic cuisine to them. A good percentage of people I know have hit them with their cars - I missed one by a couple of feet - but no one on bike so far.

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Post by Eric L. Green » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:04 pm

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Blake Sobiloff wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Ron Crandell wrote: >> I would like to see the deer population get down to a number that >> makes it a lot more rare to see them around. > http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp? > section_id=22&article_id=4394>, there were around 10 million deer in > the US during the 80's. Today, however, there are more than 25 million > > Clearly there's room to increase the number of hunters and the limits > to bring the population down and reduce the deer population.
Makes you wonder what has happened over the past 25 years, doesn't it? Actually, I can tell you what happened: Timber companies figured out that they could make money off of their land by leasing out the hunting rights to hunting clubs. Back before the 1980's, they basically allowed anybody to hunt on their lands. Nowdays you must belong to the right "club" to hunt on their lands, and these clubs have exclusive membership (i.e., you can't just join them). The basic result has been a severe reduction in the number of hunters who are hunting on timber company land, which is most forested land in America outside of the national forests. So even though states have drastically increased and revised their limits in order to reduce the population (when I was a child it was illegal to shoot a doe, now it's encouraged in order to remove breeders from the population), there just aren't enough deer being killed to outweigh the number being bred due to the sharply reduced number of hunters. The sad thing is that while these hunting clubs are doing this so that their members have a good chance of bagging a deer (the more deer and fewer hunters in an area, the easier it is to bag one), they are also basically committing suicide, since the next generation of hunters is not being created due to the expense of joining a hunting club and thus, like ham radio operators, hunters are on the way to being a dying breed. Eventually the fact that these clubs are not properly managing the deer herd on their leases is also going to come back and bite them, because it's virtually inviting state intervention to force them to properly manage the deer herd on their leases, and as the number of hunters declines further and further hunters will no longer have the political clout to stop such state intervention. Alas, I have no solution other than to allow this process to come to its logical conclusion, where the regulatory excesses of the government end up so onerous that hunting clubs can no longer afford the costs of managing a deer lease and where timber companies, unable to lease out their lands, end up re-opening them to the general public for hunting and thus bring in a new generation of hunters to cull the herd back to its proper size. In the meantime, all we can do is watch for deer, and hope they jump the other way rather than in front of our KLR's. _E

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