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[pete88chester]

Zach: Yes there is a reason. First off the actual work wasn't all that hard. Pull the tank, make a couple of jumpers & remove: side stand switch, clutch lever switch (Starter Lockout Switch), Diode Pack & Starter Circuit Relay. The studying the wiring diagrams to see how the system worked took a little while, but this was interesting & knowledge is power & useful. Also I wanted to remove everything so it would be in good shape if & when I decide to put it back. The main thing though is, as I said in the write up, I did not want anything left that could cause problems. If you just jump the side stand switch, you are still running the R/BK wire to ground through the diodes. Diodes; little electronic parts that can fail. My set up runs the R/BK wire from the CDI Unit directly to ground, no electronic parts in between. By just jumping the plug to the Starter Lockout Switch you are still using the Starter Circuit Relay to actuate the starter solenoid (Starter Relay). We all know how relays tend to fail, look how many failures have been reported with the fan relay (actually the same part as the Starter Circuit Relay). Why have it there to cause problems? In my set up the starter button directly actuates the starter relay, no redundant relay in between to fail. Again I state, my goal was to simplify the whole thing. Pete Chester A16 At 01:30 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote:

>Err.. Not to rain on your parade, but is there any reason you jumped >through all these hoops to disable the safety switches instead of

simply

>shorting the ss and clutch switches (about 30 seconds of work)?? > >Z >DC >A5X >A12X

[Norm]

why disable the safety features, I know of riders who would not have had accidents if they still had their safety switches activated....as long as you know how to jump these in the field "if" necessary, no problem.

----- Original Message ----- From: "pete88chester" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Safety switches, why all the hoops > Zach: Yes there is a reason. First off the actual work wasn't all > that hard. Pull the tank, make a couple of jumpers & remove: side > stand switch, clutch lever switch (Starter Lockout Switch), Diode > Pack & Starter Circuit Relay. The studying the wiring diagrams to > see how the system worked took a little while, but this was > interesting & knowledge is power & useful. Also I wanted to remove > everything so it would be in good shape if & when I decide to put it > back. The main thing though is, as I said in the write up, I did not > want anything left that could cause problems. If you just jump the > side stand switch, you are still running the R/BK wire to ground > through the diodes. Diodes; little electronic parts that can fail. > My set up runs the R/BK wire from the CDI Unit directly to ground, no > electronic parts in between. By just jumping the plug to the Starter > Lockout Switch you are still using the Starter Circuit Relay to > actuate the starter solenoid (Starter Relay). We all know how relays > tend to fail, look how many failures have been reported with the fan > relay (actually the same part as the Starter Circuit Relay). Why > have it there to cause problems? In my set up the starter button > directly actuates the starter relay, no redundant relay in between to > fail. Again I state, my goal was to simplify the whole thing. > Pete Chester A16 > > At 01:30 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >Err.. Not to rain on your parade, but is there any reason you jumped > >through all these hoops to disable the safety switches instead of > simply > >shorting the ss and clutch switches (about 30 seconds of work)?? > > > >Z > >DC > >A5X > >A12X > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[bkowalca]

The first time your stall the bike making a left turn at a stoplight with some soccor mom in a Navigator on your ass you will know why. It's times like these that neutral is impossible to find as the light turns yellow. With the lockout bypassed you just hit the starter and keep on going. The same hold true when the bike gets stalled in the woods in some mud puddle. The sidestand switch will usually fail at the worst posible time, usually a night on the coldest, wettest day in the middle of nowhere. Bryan K A14

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Norm wrote: > why disable the safety features, I know of riders who would not have had > accidents if they still had their safety switches activated....as long as > you know how to jump these in the field "if" necessary, no problem. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pete88chester" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:37 PM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Safety switches, why all the hoops > > > > Zach: Yes there is a reason. First off the actual work wasn't all > > that hard. Pull the tank, make a couple of jumpers & remove: side > > stand switch, clutch lever switch (Starter Lockout Switch), Diode > > Pack & Starter Circuit Relay. The studying the wiring diagrams to > > see how the system worked took a little while, but this was > > interesting & knowledge is power & useful. Also I wanted to remove > > everything so it would be in good shape if & when I decide to put it > > back. The main thing though is, as I said in the write up, I did not > > want anything left that could cause problems. If you just jump the > > side stand switch, you are still running the R/BK wire to ground > > through the diodes. Diodes; little electronic parts that can fail. > > My set up runs the R/BK wire from the CDI Unit directly to ground, no > > electronic parts in between. By just jumping the plug to the Starter > > Lockout Switch you are still using the Starter Circuit Relay to > > actuate the starter solenoid (Starter Relay). We all know how relays > > tend to fail, look how many failures have been reported with the fan > > relay (actually the same part as the Starter Circuit Relay). Why > > have it there to cause problems? In my set up the starter button > > directly actuates the starter relay, no redundant relay in between to > > fail. Again I state, my goal was to simplify the whole thing. > > Pete Chester A16 > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Err.. Not to rain on your parade, but is there any reason you jumped > > >through all these hoops to disable the safety switches instead of > > simply > > >shorting the ss and clutch switches (about 30 seconds of work)?? > > > > > >Z > > >DC > > >A5X > > >A12X > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

[Devon Jarvis]

Besides the soccer mom/ SUV scenario which I totally agree with, when you've stalled your KLR in a steep off-camber hill and you can't reach the ground with your right foot, how the hell are you going to shift back into neutral? If you have the safety switches disabled, you just pull in the clutch and hit the starter. What accidents? BTW the KLR sidestand usually gets knocked back up without taking the rear wheel off the ground if you do forget. Devon A15 Norm wrote:

>why disable the safety features, I know of riders who would not have had >accidents if they still had their safety switches activated....as long as >you know how to jump these in the field "if" necessary, no problem. > > >

[Norm]

tell that to the dead guys and ones with broken legs etc. that took off with the kickstand down,,,,,it will happen

----- Original Message ----- From: "bkowalca" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Safety switches, why all the hoops > The first time your stall the bike making a left turn at a stoplight > with some soccor mom in a Navigator on your ass you will know why. > It's times like these that neutral is impossible to find as the > light turns yellow. With the lockout bypassed you just hit the > starter and keep on going. The same hold true when the bike gets > stalled in the woods in some mud puddle. > > The sidestand switch will usually fail at the worst posible time, > usually a night on the coldest, wettest day in the middle of nowhere. > > Bryan K > A14 > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Norm wrote: > > why disable the safety features, I know of riders who would not > have had > > accidents if they still had their safety switches activated....as > long as > > you know how to jump these in the field "if" necessary, no problem. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "pete88chester" > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:37 PM > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Safety switches, why all the hoops > > > > > > > Zach: Yes there is a reason. First off the actual work wasn't > all > > > that hard. Pull the tank, make a couple of jumpers & remove: > side > > > stand switch, clutch lever switch (Starter Lockout Switch), Diode > > > Pack & Starter Circuit Relay. The studying the wiring diagrams > to > > > see how the system worked took a little while, but this was > > > interesting & knowledge is power & useful. Also I wanted to > remove > > > everything so it would be in good shape if & when I decide to > put it > > > back. The main thing though is, as I said in the write up, I > did not > > > want anything left that could cause problems. If you just jump > the > > > side stand switch, you are still running the R/BK wire to ground > > > through the diodes. Diodes; little electronic parts that can > fail. > > > My set up runs the R/BK wire from the CDI Unit directly to > ground, no > > > electronic parts in between. By just jumping the plug to the > Starter > > > Lockout Switch you are still using the Starter Circuit Relay to > > > actuate the starter solenoid (Starter Relay). We all know how > relays > > > tend to fail, look how many failures have been reported with the > fan > > > relay (actually the same part as the Starter Circuit Relay). Why > > > have it there to cause problems? In my set up the starter button > > > directly actuates the starter relay, no redundant relay in > between to > > > fail. Again I state, my goal was to simplify the whole thing. > > > Pete Chester A16 > > > > > > At 01:30 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > >Err.. Not to rain on your parade, but is there any reason you > jumped > > > >through all these hoops to disable the safety switches instead > of > > > simply > > > >shorting the ss and clutch switches (about 30 seconds of work)?? > > > > > > > >Z > > > >DC > > > >A5X > > > >A12X > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List > FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[KJ]

I have done this a few times and the sidestand has always retracted without incident. Now that one time I tried to ride off with the centerstand down is another story. Karl A14

> tell that to the dead guys and ones with broken legs etc. that took off with > the kickstand down,,,,,it will happen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bkowalca" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 9:47 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Safety switches, why all the hoops > > >> The first time your stall the bike making a left turn at a stoplight >> with some soccor mom in a Navigator on your ass you will know why. >> It's times like these that neutral is impossible to find as the >> light turns yellow. With the lockout bypassed you just hit the >> starter and keep on going. The same hold true when the bike gets >> stalled in the woods in some mud puddle. >> >> The sidestand switch will usually fail at the worst posible time, >> usually a night on the coldest, wettest day in the middle of nowhere. >> >> Bryan K >> A14 >> >> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Norm wrote: >>> why disable the safety features, I know of riders who would not >> have had >>> accidents if they still had their safety switches activated....as >> long as >>> you know how to jump these in the field "if" necessary, no problem. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "pete88chester" >>> To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:37 PM >>> Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Safety switches, why all the hoops >>> >>> >>>> Zach: Yes there is a reason. First off the actual work wasn't >> all >>>> that hard. Pull the tank, make a couple of jumpers & remove: >> side >>>> stand switch, clutch lever switch (Starter Lockout Switch), Diode >>>> Pack & Starter Circuit Relay. The studying the wiring diagrams >> to >>>> see how the system worked took a little while, but this was >>>> interesting & knowledge is power & useful. Also I wanted to >> remove >>>> everything so it would be in good shape if & when I decide to >> put it >>>> back. The main thing though is, as I said in the write up, I >> did not >>>> want anything left that could cause problems. If you just jump >> the >>>> side stand switch, you are still running the R/BK wire to ground >>>> through the diodes. Diodes; little electronic parts that can >> fail. >>>> My set up runs the R/BK wire from the CDI Unit directly to >> ground, no >>>> electronic parts in between. By just jumping the plug to the >> Starter >>>> Lockout Switch you are still using the Starter Circuit Relay to >>>> actuate the starter solenoid (Starter Relay). We all know how >> relays >>>> tend to fail, look how many failures have been reported with the >> fan >>>> relay (actually the same part as the Starter Circuit Relay). Why >>>> have it there to cause problems? In my set up the starter button >>>> directly actuates the starter relay, no redundant relay in >> between to >>>> fail. Again I state, my goal was to simplify the whole thing. >>>> Pete Chester A16 >>>> >>>> At 01:30 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Err.. Not to rain on your parade, but is there any reason you >> jumped >>>>> through all these hoops to disable the safety switches instead >> of >>>> simply >>>>> shorting the ss and clutch switches (about 30 seconds of work)?? >>>>> >>>>> Z >>>>> DC >>>>> A5X >>>>> A12X >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List >> FAQ >>> courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>>> Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: >>>> DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: >> DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Greg S]

>> tell that to the dead guys and ones with broken legs etc. >> that took off with the kickstand down,,,,,it will happen

Scenario 1: Dead guy who left kickstand down: dead guy's fault (not to mention social Darwinism in action) Scenario 2: Dead guy whose cut-out switch malfunctioned and killed the engine just in time to cause an accident: switch's fault I'll take responsibility for myself in scenario 1, but I'd hate to be a victim of some silly piece of "safety" equipment which has already let me down on a few occasions. Once I did leave my kickstand down on a previous bike and was jolted outa my skin as I attempted a left-hand U-turn. That's all it took and I've never failed to verify my kickstand's position. At the Seattle MC show this past December I stalled in the traffic line that was going uphill into the parking garage. Talk about embarassment: bikers everywhere (mostly behind me) eager to get into the show while I'm stuggling to get my bike in neutral -- on an incline -- because my clutch safety lock-out malfunctioned and wouldn't let me start while the bike was in gear -- even though the clutch was in. The very first thing I did the next day was to snip the safety wire and permanently jumper it. The only damage was mild embarassment to my fragile ego -- but I've since heard of too many scare stories where a safety switch cut an engine at inopportune moments causing accidents or near-misses (near hits?). My particular modification (jumpering the clutch safety) actually render's the kick-stand safety useless as well. Yet I still plan on removing the entire kickstand safety mechanism just to clean up the bike and give me another space to utilize for something else. I have added a piece of orange electrical tape above the ignition with a warning that the safety switchs have been disabled -- just in case someone else needs to use the bike (friend, mechanic, etc.).

[Zachariah Mully]

On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 12:01, Norm wrote:

> tell that to the dead guys and ones with broken legs etc. that took off with > the kickstand down,,,,,it will happen

Whatever. The solution is called personal responsibility. If you're too stupid/forgetful/distracted/tired to remember to put up the sidestand before riding off, then you shouldn't be riding. It's that simple, be responsible for your own actions. Z DC A5X A12X

[KJ]

Right. The few times that I have left the sidestand down I immediately pulled over and pushed my bike home feeling much too stupid to ride. actually the times I remember riding off with the sidestand down all occurred after filling the tank. I pulled up to the pump, flipped the stand down but stayed on the bike to pump the gas. And then just forgetting it was down. But it always flipped back up without much drama. Might be a different story on another bike, but the KLR doesn't seem to be too effected by it. Karl A14 on 4/7/03 11:39 AM, Zachariah Mully at zmully@... wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 12:01, Norm wrote: >> tell that to the dead guys and ones with broken legs etc. that took off with >> the kickstand down,,,,,it will happen > > Whatever. The solution is called personal responsibility. If you're too > stupid/forgetful/distracted/tired to remember to put up the sidestand > before riding off, then you shouldn't be riding. It's that simple, be > responsible for your own actions. > > Z > DC > A5X > A12X > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Judson D. Jones]

After almost 40 years of relatively incident-free riding, the sidestand finally bit me. Riding a /5 BMW, almost identical to one I put 200,000 miles on. On mine, the sidestand came up as soon as it ticked pavement, so even if I forgot it, there was never a problem. On this one, one of the springs was missing, the bike had been lowered, and the stand had a different bend to it. I left it down and didn't notice until I changed into a lane that sloped more steeply to the right. The stand grounded and wouldn't come up. I didn't dare use the front brake lest the fork dive pitch me over to the right. So I scrubbed off as much speed as I could with the rear brake, as the crown of the road rode me into the curb. One minute, I was cursing whoever had chopped the suspension; the next, I woke up in the street with my head strapped to a backboard. No lasting damage (except what you might infer by reading between the lines), but a good lesson.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, KJ wrote: > Right. The few times that I have left the sidestand down I immediately > pulled over and pushed my bike home feeling much too stupid to ride. > > actually the times I remember riding off with the sidestand down all > occurred after filling the tank. I pulled up to the pump, flipped the stand > down but stayed on the bike to pump the gas. And then just forgetting it was > down. But it always flipped back up without much drama. Might be a different > story on another bike, but the KLR doesn't seem to be too effected by it. > > Karl > A14 > > > on 4/7/03 11:39 AM, Zachariah Mully at zmully@s... wrote: > > > On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 12:01, Norm wrote: > >> tell that to the dead guys and ones with broken legs etc. that took off with > >> the kickstand down,,,,,it will happen > > > > Whatever. The solution is called personal responsibility. If you're too > > stupid/forgetful/distracted/tired to remember to put up the sidestand > > before riding off, then you shouldn't be riding. It's that simple, be > > responsible for your own actions. > > > > Z > > DC > > A5X > > A12X > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >