Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 6:31 am**

To All, If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to make any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are these possibilities? Thanks, Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 7:35 am**

Bud:
I am using Alfin drums that I got from Bob Grunau and a soft brake lining with excellent results.
Ken TC 4147
Bud Bradford wrote:

To All, If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to make any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are these possibilities? Thanks, Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 7:56 am**

Ken: Bob Grunau?? Is that Abingdon Spares? Thanks, Larry (new guy)

-----Original Message-----
From: KEN PORTER
To: Bud Bradford
Cc: MG List E-mail
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Brake Improvements

Bud:
I am using Alfin drums that I got from Bob Grunau and a soft brake lining with excellent results.
Ken TC 4147
Bud Bradford wrote: To All, If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to make any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are these possibilities? Thanks, Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 9:15 am**

Bud:

This Winter I did new Alfin brake drums from Bob Grunau and new real soft
linings for the shoes, just as Ken mentioned doing. I also took the drums to
the friction company that installed the shoe compound and had the shoes
"shaped" to the drums to assure complete and even contact. There was some
talk a while back about having the shoes "bonded" in place instead of rivets.
However, this is expensive and the process if intened for applications where
there are forces in both directions continually, such as a fork lift that
would loosen or "work" the rivets. I dont see a need for it in this
application. (comment anyone?) And then the best overall improvement is
running the rear brakes without lubrication from gear oil. I went through my
rear axle completely this winter with new crown and pinion, sealed axle
bearings, new tapered axles, and correct fit of the hub to the outer bearing.
Soooo, the damn thing better not leak on my new brakes!

Joe Potter
Eugene, Oregon USA

In a message dated 5/22/00 6:32:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bradford@m-y.net
writes:

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 10:02 am**

Once upon a time, I was roadracing a Renault R5 (Cup car series).
As I backed up in the paddock, my rear left wheel locked up, but freed
itself once I rolled forward.
Off I went, finished the last lap, and pulled that wheel and drum that very
night.
What did I see, but a loose, "unbonded" shoe, that would wedge itself
inbetween the now bare metal shoe when rolling back, but then centered the
loose shoe back in position when rolling forward.
So if I have a choice, I would rivet and glue....At least if the
manufacturing process is in France!
Regards
Mark McCombs, TC8126
Columbus Ohio
-----Original Message-----
From: JTPAKI@aol.com
To: mg-tabc@egroups.com
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Brake Improvements

>Bud:
>
>This Winter I did new Alfin brake drums from Bob Grunau and new real soft
>linings for the shoes, just as Ken mentioned doing. I also took the drums

to

>the friction company that installed the shoe compound and had the shoes
>"shaped" to the drums to assure complete and even contact. There was some
>talk a while back about having the shoes "bonded" in place instead of

rivets.

> However, this is expensive and the process if intened for applications

where

>there are forces in both directions continually, such as a fork lift that
>would loosen or "work" the rivets. I dont see a need for it in this
>application. (comment anyone?) And then the best overall improvement is
>running the rear brakes without lubrication from gear oil. I went through

my

>rear axle completely this winter with new crown and pinion, sealed axle
>bearings, new tapered axles, and correct fit of the hub to the outer

bearing.

> Soooo, the damn thing better not leak on my new brakes!
>
>Joe Potter
>Eugene, Oregon USA
>
>In a message dated 5/22/00 6:32:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

bradford@m-y.net

>writes:
>
>
> If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to

make

>any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock
>that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are

these

>possibilities?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC
> >>
>
>
>
>

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 10:19 am**

Bud - I installed 240Z drums prepared by Mike Goodman. Excellent
results at reasonable cost. One word of caution if you do this: when
touring mountainous terraine, choose to be "tail end charlie" or at
least position yourself just ahead of another TC equally equipped, so as
to ensure a minimum of adrenalin expenditure.
Bob

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 10:28 am**

Larry:
NO! Look for Bob's listing in either the T-ABC classifieds or suppliers listing. Bob is near Toronto, Canada.
Not only do the Alfins stop better the look great also. Abingdon also sells Alfins, Bob may be the supplier, I don't know, but their price is higher. I would deal directly with Bob. There is no such thing as a new guy, anyone who owns a T-ABC has got to be an old guy except for Awani.
Ken TC 4147
Larry Cogan wrote:

Ken: Bob Grunau?? Is that Abingdon Spares? Thanks, Larry (new guy) -----Original Message-----
From: KEN PORTER
To: Bud Bradford
Cc: MG List E-mail
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Brake Improvements
Bud:
I am using Alfin drums that I got from Bob Grunau and a soft brake lining with excellent results.
Ken TC 4147 Bud Bradford wrote: To All, If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to make any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are these possibilities? Thanks, Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 11:01 am**

Old guys.........Hmmmmmmmmmm......Not necessarily; I am only 18 from the waist down! The rest of me is 47, though....! Best, Ray McCrary
"Speed is Life;
of course Luck and Altitude
are helpful, too."

----- Original Message ----- From: kporter@unix.asb.com To: woodrat@spacey.net ; mg-tabc@egroups.com Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Brake Improvements
Larry:
NO! Look for Bob's listing in either the T-ABC classifieds or suppliers listing. Bob is near Toronto, Canada.
Not only do the Alfins stop better the look great also. Abingdon also sells Alfins, Bob may be the supplier, I don't know, but their price is higher. I would deal directly with Bob. There is no such thing as a new guy, anyone who owns a T-ABC has got to be an old guy except for Awani.
Ken TC 4147
Larry Cogan wrote: Ken: Bob Grunau?? Is that Abingdon Spares? Thanks, Larry (new guy) -----Original Message-----
From: KEN PORTER
To: Bud Bradford
Cc: MG List E-mail
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Brake Improvements
Bud:
I am using Alfin drums that I got from Bob Grunau and a soft brake lining with excellent results.
Ken TC 4147 Bud Bradford wrote: To All, If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to make any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are these possibilities? Thanks, Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 4:28 pm**

The advantage in not having rivets only comes when the linings wear down!
The cast iron liners are quite soft and would soon get grooved by rivets.
Having said that, I have got rivets inside MY Grunau Alfins, but not the
type of lining which is full of metal particles to aid cooling.

ocTagonally

Roger Furneaux Lifton Devon UK TC0978 TC2365

Joe Potter wrote:

>This Winter I did new Alfin brake drums from Bob Grunau and new real soft
>linings for the shoes, just as Ken mentioned doing. I also took the drums to
>the friction company that installed the shoe compound and had the shoes
>"shaped" to the drums to assure complete and even contact. There was some
>talk a while back about having the shoes "bonded" in place instead of rivets.
> However, this is expensive and the process if intened for applications where
>there are forces in both directions continually, such as a fork lift that
>would loosen or "work" the rivets. I dont see a need for it in this
>application. (comment anyone?) And then the best overall improvement is
>running the rear brakes without lubrication from gear oil. I went through my
>rear axle completely this winter with new crown and pinion, sealed axle
>bearings, new tapered axles, and correct fit of the hub to the outer bearing.
> Soooo, the damn thing better not leak on my new brakes!
>
>Joe Potter
>Eugene, Oregon USA
>
>In a message dated 5/22/00 6:32:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bradford@m-y.net
>writes:
>
>
> If I wanted better brakes on my TC what might I do? I would not want to make
>any change that could not be remove and the car returned to normal (stock
>that is). I've heard mention of Alfin brakes and also 240Z brakes. Are these
>possibilities?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bud Bradford TC6761 Bakersville, NC
> >>
>
>
>

Posted: **Mon May 22, 2000 4:47 pm**

Joe,

I hope you didn't jinx yourself by saying..."soooo, the damn thing better
not leak on my new brakes!"

Bob McClaren
TC No. 3443