Re: TC Windscreen

[JTPAKI@aol.com]

TC Windscreen glass replacement

I broke my TC windscreen glass this last summer. Don't ask how, it was one
of those stupid moments. Anyway I have the frame apart now and am having new
glass cut. When I last assembled the wind screen I used a thin rubber strip
for gasket. At some points the gasket was loose between the glass and the
frame. It did not seem the best material to use for it. Questions:

1) What is supposed to be in there as a gasket between the glass and the
frame?
2) What works well in there?
3) Where do I get it?
4) Did MG TC glass have a brand name on it? Was it etched in the glass?
5) I assume the glass is suppossed to be perfectly clear is it not?

Thanks

Joe Potter
TC 7075

[Geoffrey WHEATLEY]

Joe,

It may not be correct but this works, I have replaced the glass on many
MG's with Black silicone.It seals the glass to the frame, is flexible
and easy to use.
Slide the glass into the frame leaving the bottom section off .Place
thin packing between the glass and the frame to get an even amount of
compound each side. Put small amounts of compound into the frame at
various locations around the frame to secure the glass . Leave for 24
hours. Fit bottom section , again fitting small thin packing between the
rim and the glass. Fill both sides of the frame with compound. Wipe
clean and use a razor blade to remove as much as you can from the glass
before it sets. Leave for 24/36 hours. Clean the glass and frame with a
remover, I have found that gasolene is ideal for this job. You now have
a water tight windscreen that looks good and will last for many years.
Yes you should be able to have a clear view through the glass, thats
what it's for!

Regards Geoff

[Peter Pleitner]

Hi Joe,

Geoff's recommendation to use silicon works well, but I doubt he has ever
had the displeasure of replacing glass installed using silicon.

Since you have to visit an auto glass shop anyway, I'd recommend you ask
them for the proper material. Ask for none-tinted plate safety glass,
taking your old glass pieces taped together as a template. They'll have to
grind notches in the top edge where the wiper arms are. While you are there
ask them for glass setting tape, black. It is sticky for the glass side,
kind of like electrical friction tape except thicker. Then tape up the edge
of the glass, after making sure they didn't leave any rough spots around the
edges which should be sanded smooth, otherwise you'll risk breaking the
glass because stress accumulates at these rough spots. Work on a carpeted
flat surface, using a rubber mallet. The hardest part is getting the
corners screwed together using the angle bracket that reside in the inside
corner of the frame. Trim the tape with a razor when you're done. That's
it. Good luck.

To the best of my knowledge the original glass' manufacturer's makings were
on tempered plate glass which is not what you want to use.

Cheers, Peter

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Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Windscreen

TC Windscreen glass replacement

I broke my TC windscreen glass this last summer. Don't ask how, it was one
of those stupid moments. Anyway I have the frame apart now and am having
new
glass cut. When I last assembled the wind screen I used a thin rubber strip
for gasket. At some points the gasket was loose between the glass and the
frame. It did not seem the best material to use for it. Questions:

1) What is supposed to be in there as a gasket between the glass and the
frame?
2) What works well in there?
3) Where do I get it?
4) Did MG TC glass have a brand name on it? Was it etched in the glass?
5) I assume the glass is suppossed to be perfectly clear is it not?

Thanks

Joe Potter
TC 7075

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[froxmeretc]

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Hi All,
Just been taking the windscreen of TC0894 to pieces today so that the chromium plated parts can be taken to the chromers soon.
Will need new corner brackets, threaded side strips and screws etc.
Many of the UK suppliers sell all those bits but would appreciate feedback from those that have been down this road all ready, as to quality and fit of replacements.
There may then be time to get an order ready for collection from Stoneleigh this weekend
Look forward to any replies.

Best regards,

Steve ~ TC 0894 (under full restoration in UK)

[Norman Verona]

Richard,  I got a top and bottom corner bracket and one side bar from NTG in the UK and it all fitted perfectly. I've replied to Steve on my experience in rebuilding my screen, last week.  Norman VeronaLa Foie, 49520, Noellet, FranceTel: 0033 (0)2 41 92 73 44Mob: 0033 (0)7 70 70 23 79Web: www.frenchblat.comMG Midget TC 10178  From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Warren rawarren@vermontel.net [mg-tabc]
Sent: 16 February 2016 17:27
To: froxmere@hotmail.com
Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Windscreen    The last of your list, the fitments, is the hard one because the screw holes on the outside corners often do not line up well with the pre-drilled interior corner brace holes. There is little room for fudginng it, especially with such small screws. One approach is the buy the corner brackets un-drilled and then create the holes aligned for your specific frame; but doing that involves parhaps more time and equipment that you have. Next time around I will measure the screw intervals very precisely and then go or send the data to an accommodating supplier.  Good luck with the patience part of it. Dick Warren in Vt.

On Feb 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, froxmere@hotmail.com [mg-tabc] wrote:  [Attachment(s) from froxmere@hotmail.com [mg-tabc] included below]Hi All,
Just been taking the windscreen of TC0894 to pieces today so that the chromium plated parts can be taken to the chromers soon.
Will need new corner brackets, threaded side strips and screws etc.
Many of the UK suppliers sell all those bits but would appreciate feedback from those that have been down this road all ready, as to quality and fit of replacements.
There may then be time to get an order ready for collection from Stoneleigh this weekend
Look forward to any replies.

Best regards,

Steve ~ TC 0894 (under full restoration in UK)    

 

[Conan Murphy]

Hello Steve,   The advice below is spot on.  I bought all corner fittings from M##s.  The tops were fine but the threaded holes in the lower brackets were way out, but re-drilling would have weakened them too much.  I ended up buying two galvanised household brackets and cutting and drilling them to suit, plus protective grease on re-assembly (to ease the job for a future owner).   My other problem was replacing the 4 studs in the side supports.  They were not brilliant to begin with but I left them in during polishing and plating.  Too much metal came off to hold the nuts and butterflies so I had to replace them after plating.   Not ideal.  Luckily the lock pin positions were revealed during polishing so I carefully drilled them out and replaced the studs with new.  Then to lock them I drilled through them using the holes I drilled earlier, and slightly deeper than the bolt depth but no further.  Then I tapped out the holes to suit some brass slotted round-headed screws I had, cut each off at the correct depth, then slotted the resulting small stud.  You have to look very carefully to see this modification, and again will simplify the job for a future owner.   Lastly, I was disgusted when the chromed side screws rusted after the car stood out in the rain for a couple of night.  Turned out they were steel underneath the chrome.  Check they are at least brass underneath.  I replaced all these (careful on each length or you risk breaking the windscreen glass) with SS round-headed countersunk screws.  The side mirror bolts had the same problem, so I drilled and tapped them to the same size to use the same SS screws, and cut the screws right down.  Again you have to look very closely to see the difference between chromed and SS fixings.  SS fixings are relatively inexpensive via Ebay.   Hope the above helps. Regards to all, Ian Linton TA3120 Lewes, East Sussex, UK   From: mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:26 PM To: froxmere@hotmail.com Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Windscreen    
The last of your list, the fitments, is the hard one because the screw holes on the outside corners often do not line up well with the pre-drilled interior corner brace holes. There is little room for fudginng it, especially with such small screws. One approach is the buy the corner brackets un-drilled and then create the holes aligned for your specific frame; but doing that involves parhaps more time and equipment that you have. Next time around I will measure the screw intervals very precisely and then go or send the data to an accommodating supplier.  Good luck with the patience part of it. Dick Warren in Vt.

On Feb 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, froxmere@hotmail.com [mg-tabc] wrote:   [Attachment(s) from froxmere@hotmail.com [mg-tabc] included below] Hi All,
Just been taking the windscreen of TC0894 to pieces today so that the chromium plated parts can be taken to the chromers soon.
Will need new corner brackets, threaded side strips and screws etc.
Many of the UK suppli ers sell all those bits but would appreciate feedback from those that have been down this road all ready, as to quality and fit of replacements.
There may then be time to get an order ready for collection from Stoneleigh this weekend
Look forward to any replies.

Best regards,

Steve ~ TC 0894 (under full restoration in UK)

 

[Norman Verona]

Ian has reminded me that one of my folding screen studs was seized in and broke off when trying to undo it. I drilled the broken stud out and drilled and tapped the hole to 3/8" and made a stepped stud to fit. Of course it helps when you have a lathe.  Norman VeronaLa Foie, 49520, Noellet, FranceTel: 0033 (0)2 41 92 73 44Mob: 0033 (0)7 70 70 23 79Web: www.frenchblat.comMG Midget TC 10178  From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'TABC' tabc@talktalk.net [mg-tabc]
Sent: 16 February 2016 18:52
To: T-ABC Group (all)
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Windscreen    Hello Steve, The advice below is spot on.  I bought all corner fittings from M##s.  The tops were fine but the threaded holes in the lower brackets were way out, but re-drilling would have weakened them too much.  I ended up buying two galvanised household brackets and cutting and drilling them to suit, plus protective grease on re-assembly (to ease the job for a future owner). My other problem was replacing the 4 studs in the side supports.  They were not brilliant to begin with but I left them in during polishing and plating.  Too much metal came off to hold the nuts and butterflies so I had to replace them after plating.   Not ideal.  Luckily the lock pin positions were revealed during polishing so I carefully drilled them out and replaced the studs with new.  Then to lock them I drilled through them using the holes I drilled earlier, and slightly deeper than the bolt depth but no further.  Then I tapped out the holes to suit some brass slotted round-headed screws I had, cut each off at the correct depth, then slotted the resulting small stud.  You have to look very carefully to see this modification, and again will simplify the job for a future owner. Lastly, I was disgusted when the chromed side screws rusted after the car stood out in the rain for a couple of night.  Turned out they were steel underneath the chrome.  Check they are at least brass underneath.  I replaced all these (careful on each length or you risk breaking the windscreen glass) with SS round-headed countersunk screws.  The side mirror bolts had the same problem, so I drilled and tapped them to the same size to use the same SS screws, and cut the screws right down.  Again you have to look very closely to see the difference between chromed and SS fixings.  SS fixings are relatively inexpensive via Ebay. Hope the above helps.Regards to all,Ian Linton TA3120Lewes, East Sussex, UK From: mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 4:26 PMTo: froxmere@hotmail.com Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Windscreen   The last of your list, the fitments, is the hard one because the screw holes on the outside corners often do not line up well with the pre-drilled interior corner brace holes. There is little room for fudginng it, especially with such small screws. One approach is the buy the corner brackets un-drilled and then create the holes aligned for your specific frame; but doing that involves parhaps more time and equipment that you have. Next time around I will measure the screw intervals very precisely and then go or send the data to an accommodating supplier.  Good luck with the patience part of it. Dick Warren in Vt.

On Feb 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, froxmere@hotmail.com [mg-tabc] wrote: [Attachment(s) from froxmere@hotmail.com [mg-tabc] included below] Hi All,
Just been taking the windscreen of TC0894 to pieces today so that the chromium plated parts can be taken to the chromers soon.
Will need new corner brackets, threaded side strips and screws etc.
Many of the UK suppli ers sell all those bits but would appreciate feedback from those that have been down this road all ready, as to quality and fit of replacements.
There may then be time to get an order ready for collection from Stoneleigh this weekend
Look forward to any replies.

Best regards,

Steve ~ TC 0894 (under full restoration in UK)   

 

[froxmeretc]

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Hi All,
I was repairing the TC windscreen frame rails prior to sending to the chromium platers.
The top rail had a dent in the flat flange that faces towards the interior. The flange was bent downwards when viewed as it will be on the car.
Careful use of blocks and a press and mallet straightened out the damage that lay between the black marker pen lines shown in the photographs.
My question relates to the shape of the top rail when lying loose on the bench..
Looking from the front the rail is obviously slightly curved.
Looking from the top (as it will be on the car) my rail has a slight curve to it when viewed with a straight edge placed alongside?
There are no other indications that it has been damaged in any way to cause the curve.
Can anyone tell me if this is quite normal?

The lower rail is straight and only curved when viewed from the front.

Many thanks in advance for any information someone can provide.

Steve TC0894

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