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Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 1999 10:36 am**

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Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:00 pm**

MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not the place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity. Mike Card TC/8233

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Hanukah, Festivus, Thanksgiving and more, please enjoy the blessings of the
season.

To close out the year, MG Magazine, the official publication for MG
enthusiasts, is offering a bonus subscription offering. Sign up now for only
$19.95 and you will receive not only the current issue but an additional
issue free. That's 6 issues for the price of four, a savings of nearly 50%
from the cover price.

Of course, gift subscriptions are available as well, and come with a nifty
little card to stick in, on or under the tree. Of course, delivery in time
for Christmas is assured.

Visa, Mastercard and American Express are cheerfully offered through our
secured server. Visit us at
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Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 1999 12:12 pm**

Is it really necessary to have this advertising forced up on us? I for one
will definitely NOT be purchasing a copy, let alone subscribing........

Murray Arundell

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> Greetings to all and Happy Holidays. To those celebrating Kwanza,
Christmas,
> Hanukah, Festivus, Thanksgiving and more, please enjoy the blessings of
the
> season.
>
> To close out the year, MG Magazine, the official publication for MG
> enthusiasts, is offering a bonus subscription offering. Sign up now for
only
> $19.95 and you will receive not only the current issue but an additional
> issue free. That's 6 issues for the price of four, a savings of nearly 50%
> from the cover price.
>
> Of course, gift subscriptions are available as well, and come with a nifty
> little card to stick in, on or under the tree. Of course, delivery in time
> for Christmas is assured.
>
> Visa, Mastercard and American Express are cheerfully offered through our
> secured server. Visit us at http://www.mg-magazine.com/home2.html">
> www.mg-magazine.com and engage your Octagonal enthusiasm today!
>
> Enthusiatically Yours,
>
> the staff and management of MG Magazine, the official publication for MG
> enthusiasts
>
> P.O. Box 85020
> Fort Wayne, IN
> 46885-5020
> Email:LBCarCo@LBCarCo.com">Mgmagazine@aol.com
>
>
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>
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Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 1999 4:00 pm**

Skip I accept your opinion and agree with your point about rare parts. [I was lucky enough to find a TC steering box bracket today - sounds like a small item, but they are nearly impossible to buy here in UK and my current rebuild is missing one, so I know what you are driving at.] I would also make a distinction between commercial activities and transactions, for-sale / wanted, between list members. Maybe it is not so easy to make that distinction. Certainly I would prefer to know about items for sale than not know. But don't we have a Classified area on the Web-site for advertisements? Could not advertising for magazines etc be placed in the Classifieds? I would be very happy to see them there. Just my opinion, and I only speak for myself, not for the list. Best regards Mike Card

----- Original Message ----- From: Kelsey@shadetreemotors.com To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk ; Maynard078@aol.com ; mgs@autox.team.net Cc: mg-tabc@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: MG Magazine Holiday Special --- Save up to 50% now
Mike:

I for one dont happen to agree with you. If done in good taste, I myself
dont have any objections. Some folks on this list are looking for parts
etc. Are they not supposed to mention this at any time. What of those who
might have a rare part that would be of iterest to others on this list.
Should they keep it a secret from the listers.
All things of interest regarding "T" types should be talked about on this
list. This is not a religious endevor.

Happy Thanksgiving:

Skip Kelsey........................

At 07:51 PM 11/24/99 -0000, Michael Card wrote:
> MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not
>the place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity. Mike Card
>TC/8233 ----- Original Message ----- From: Maynard078@aol.com
>To: mgs@autox.team.net Cc: mg-tabc@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
>November 24, 1999 6:39 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] MG Magazine Holiday
>Special --- Save up to 50% now
>Greetings to all and Happy Holidays. To those celebrating Kwanza,
>Christmas,
>Hanukah, Festivus, Thanksgiving and more, please enjoy the blessings of
the
>season.
>
>To close out the year, MG Magazine, the official publication for MG
>enthusiasts, is offering a bonus subscription offering. Sign up now for
>only
>$19.95 and you will receive not only the current issue but an additional
>issue free. That's 6 issues for the price of four, a savings of nearly
50%
>from the cover price.
>
>Of course, gift subscriptions are available as well, and come with a
nifty
>little card to stick in, on or under the tree. Of course, delivery in
time
>for Christmas is assured.
>
>Visa, Mastercard and American Express are cheerfully offered through our
>
>www.mg-magazine.com and engage your Octagonal enthusiasm today!
>
>Enthusiatically Yours,
>
>the staff and management of MG Magazine, the official publication for
MG
>enthusiasts
>
>P.O. Box 85020
>Fort Wayne, IN
>46885-5020
>LBCarCo@LBCarCo.com>Mgmagazine@aol.com
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Posted: **Wed Nov 24, 1999 11:50 pm**

Message text written by "Michael Card"

>MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not the

place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity.<

Quite agree - otherwise I'd have advertised my UK MG T and MMM restoration
services long ago!!!

NO seriously!!! - I too do believe the List should remain non commercial in
its postings.

Clive Sherriff

Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 1999 7:00 am**

Hi All,
Well I agree in principle on the "commercial activity".
However, where do we draw the line??
I would like to advertise my limited special parts for TA, TB and
TC cars on the T-ABCs Forever and MGs Autox email list. For example, oil
filter spin-on adapters, for TC/early TD, stub axles, Alfin type drums,
tapered halfshafts, rebuilt TC/TD gearbox synchros etc and MG T series art
prints.
I look on this as a service to the members and as an extension of my MG
obsession/hobby. I am certainly not a "commercial activity".
Although my items are listed in the classifieds, I think most members do
not review the classifieds on a regular basis and new members may not be
aware of the classifieds advertisements.
Sooo, I would like to continue to make my products and services known to
T-ABCs and MGs @ autox members by email. Or maybe, I just did??
Bob Grunau
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MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not the
place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity.

Mike Card
TC/8233
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Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 1999 7:23 am**

In a message dated 11/25/99 7:20:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cgrunau@pathcom.com writes:

>

Bob and Greg, an occasional blurb on items or publications that help us
maintain our hobby is very ok with me....all of us have a delete key and
should use it instead of poping off on the list. I find that much more
offensive that the occasional commercial!! With out you guys, Moss and
Abingdon and the Home country vendors, these little cars would have been
crushed a long time ago.
Happy Holidays, you too Viv,

Terry

Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 1999 7:25 am**

Bob:
You are not a business. Your "business" is a hobby that provides useful
products to other hobbyists. Whatever profit you make enables other hobbyists
to "profit" from your endeavors. MG Magazine is a commercial entity and should
not be advertising on a private news group.
Ken TC 4147

Bob and Carolyn Grunau wrote:

> Hi All,
> Well I agree in principle on the "commercial activity".
> However, where do we draw the line??
> I would like to advertise my limited special parts for TA, TB and
> TC cars on the T-ABCs Forever and MGs Autox email list. For example, oil
> filter spin-on adapters, for TC/early TD, stub axles, Alfin type drums,
> tapered halfshafts, rebuilt TC/TD gearbox synchros etc and MG T series art
> prints.
> I look on this as a service to the members and as an extension of my MG
> obsession/hobby. I am certainly not a "commercial activity".
> Although my items are listed in the classifieds, I think most members do
> not review the classifieds on a regular basis and new members may not be
> aware of the classifieds advertisements.
> Sooo, I would like to continue to make my products and services known to
> T-ABCs and MGs @ autox members by email. Or maybe, I just did??
> Bob Grunau
> ----------
>
> MG Magazine may be an admirable publication, but the T-ABC list is not the
> place to advertise it, or any other commercial activity.
>
> Mike Card
> TC/8233
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Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 1999 7:35 am**

Terry,

I wasn't sure which side of this debate I was on - but I think you hit
the nail on the head. Well done.

Happy Turkey Day to all the colonists,

Tony

TATERRY@aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/25/99 7:20:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> cgrunau@pathcom.com writes:
>
> T-ABCs and MGs @ autox members by email. Or maybe, I just did??
> Bob Grunau >>
>
> Bob and Greg, an occasional blurb on items or publications that help us
> maintain our hobby is very ok with me....all of us have a delete key and
> should use it instead of poping off on the list. I find that much more
> offensive that the occasional commercial!! With out you guys, Moss and
> Abingdon and the Home country vendors, these little cars would have been
> crushed a long time ago.
> Happy Holidays, you too Viv,
>
> Terry
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Posted: **Thu Nov 25, 1999 8:39 am**

I'm not too concerned about MG related ads appearing on the list. Thats
the only way I found out about Bob Grunau's services. Considering how
spread out the list is all over the globe, an MG service that is well
known and in respected in one location may be totally unknown in other
areas. And there is always the delete key.

I am more concerned about the ads that the new server appends to every
email. It gets to be ridiculous when several copies of the ads appear
in replies that quote the original messages. The delete key won't help
here.

Charles Hill