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Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:26 am
by viv@trax.co.za
Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to throw out my SU
pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my Bishop Cam
steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if not downright
dangerous.
For myself, I don't really care much but why don't the purists react like they do when
the dreaded Datsun subject comes up?
Come to think of it the same applies to Bob's and Roger's 1/2 shafts and seals etc.
Let's face it we're a two-faced bunch aren't we!
Cheers all
Viv
Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:31 am
by Dave A
Hi Viv!
Don't forget the "alfin" brake drums!!!! I love those!!!!!!
Cheers,
Dave 48' TC
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:13 AM
To:
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Subject: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to throw
out my SU
pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my
Bishop Cam
steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if not
downright
dangerous.
For myself, I don't really care much but why don't the purists react like
they do when
the dreaded Datsun subject comes up?
Come to think of it the same applies to Bob's and Roger's 1/2 shafts and
seals etc.
Let's face it we're a two-faced bunch aren't we!
Cheers all
Viv
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Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:45 am
by E.Worpe
The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique characteristic
to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's good or bad,
seems to become sacrosanct.
Many such unique aspects have resulted in the demise of either
the car or driver or both, but as part of the special flavour of
the car, they are often left to stand.
The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned or leave well
alone and hope for the best.
Regards, Eric.
-----Original Message-----
Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to throw out my SU
pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my Bishop Cam
steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if not downright
dangerous.
Viv
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Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:53 pm
by Rick Waters
And what, pray tell, is wrong with the Bishop Cam steering box?
My car has one, and steers just fine. (I must confess that there's a Tompkins kit bolted on top, but it's otherwise as Mr. Bishop Cam designed and built it. Car goes straight, can be set up beautifully for a series of twisties on my favorite road, and gives me a good upper body workout when I have to park.
I'm serious. These are vintage cars, which just happen to have been built after the war, and they provide a unique and very rewarding driving experience. If I want to drive a car with a VeeDub steering gear, I'll get an old Beetle. Likewise for a Datsun steering box.
Long live the Bishop Cam, at the very heart of the TABCs! When it's blamed for things, it's either because the chassis, springs, bushings, etc. in the car are shot, or because it was not maintained properly!
-Rick, TC 7881
"E.Worpe" E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique characteristic
to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's good or bad,
seems to become sacrosanct.
Many such unique aspects have resulted in the demise of either
the car or driver or both, but as part of the special flavour of
the car, they are often left to stand.
The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned or leave well
alone and hope for the best.
Regards, Eric.
-----Original Message-----
Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to throw out my SU
pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my Bishop Cam
steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if not downright
dangerous.
Viv
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Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:39 am
by JohnHWSteedman@aol.com
This safety issue keeps coming up...But is there any record of anyone ever being killed in a TABC?
Please don't tell me about the many near-misses we've heard about on this list (the word T-boned seems to come to mind), but who's exited that we know of?
John Steedman
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From: E.Worpe E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk>
To: viv viv@trax.co.za>; mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:32:05 +0100
Subject: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique characteristic
to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's good or bad,
seems to become sacrosanct.
Many such unique aspects have resulted in the demise of either
the car or driver or both, but as part of the special flavour of
the car, they are often left to stand.
The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned or leave well
alone and hope for the best.
Regards, Eric.
-----Original Message-----
Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to throw out
my SU
pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my Bishop
Cam
steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if not
downright
dangerous.
Viv
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Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:11 am
by Chip Old
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:39 -0400,
JohnHWSteedman@aol.com wrote:
> This safety issue keeps coming up...But is there any record of anyone
> ever being killed in a TABC? Please don't tell me about the many
> near-misses we've heard about on this list (the word T-boned seems to
> come to mind), but who's exited that we know of?
Frank Churchill, co-founder of the New England MG 'T' Register, was killed
several years ago when he was T-Boned at an intersection. If I remember
correctly he was in his TD at the time, not his TC. It had nothing to do
with BC steering, non-SU fuel pumps, or any of the other strange
directions this thread has taken, but since you mentioned "T-boned"...
--
Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271
Cub Hill, Maryland
fold@bcpl.net
Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:46 am
by John James
John,
I'm hoping to find the time to do a front end overhaul on TC0750 later
this year, which will include fitting new stub axles (machined from
EN24T), new kingpins and bushes, new road springs and poly bushes and
rebuilding the Bishop Cam box with (hopefully) a new sector shaft and
steering drop arm. This should make a few decent articles for "Totally
T-Type" (the bi-monthly magazine of the 'T' Register of the MG Car
Club).
Regards,
JOHN JAMES
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Sent: 23 June 2005 15:39
To:
E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk;
viv@trax.co.za;
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
This safety issue keeps coming up...But is there any record of anyone
ever being killed in a TABC?
Please don't tell me about the many near-misses we've heard about on
this list (the word T-boned seems to come to mind), but who's exited
that we know of?
John Steedman
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From: E.Worpe E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk>
To: viv viv@trax.co.za>; mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:32:05 +0100
Subject: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique characteristic
to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's good or bad,
seems to become sacrosanct.
Many such unique aspects have resulted in the demise of either
the car or driver or both, but as part of the special flavour of
the car, they are often left to stand.
The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned or leave well
alone and hope for the best.
Regards, Eric.
-----Original Message-----
Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to
throw out
my SU
pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my
Bishop
Cam
steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if
not
downright
dangerous.
Viv
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Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:03 am
by ian thomson
Hi John. That all sounds expensive. Did you have the
originals crack tested or are you just erring on the
side of prudence?
Ian Thomson.
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--- John James jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> John,
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> I'm hoping to find the time to do a front end
> overhaul on TC0750 later
> this year, which will include fitting new stub axles
> (machined from
> EN24T), new kingpins and bushes, new road springs
> and poly bushes and
> rebuilding the Bishop Cam box with (hopefully) a new
> sector shaft and
> steering drop arm. This should make a few decent
> articles for "Totally
> T-Type" (the bi-monthly magazine of the 'T' Register
> of the MG Car
> Club).
>
> Regards,
>
> JOHN JAMES
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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> [mailto:
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> Of
JohnHWSteedman@aol.com
> Sent: 23 June 2005 15:39
> To:
E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk;
viv@trax.co.za;
>
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
>
> This safety issue keeps coming up...But is there any
> record of anyone
> ever being killed in a TABC?
> Please don't tell me about the many near-misses
> we've heard about on
> this list (the word T-boned seems to come to mind),
> but who's exited
> that we know of?
>
> John Steedman
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> From: E.Worpe E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk>
> To: viv viv@trax.co.za>; mg-tabc
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> Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:32:05 +0100
> Subject: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
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> The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique
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> to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's
> good or bad,
> seems to become sacrosanct.
> Many such unique aspects have resulted in the
> demise of either
> the car or driver or both, but as part of the
> special flavour of
> the car, they are often left to stand.
> The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned
> or leave well
> alone and hope for the best.
> Regards, Eric.
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> Being young and innocent, I find it hard to
> understand why it is OK to
> throw out
> my SU
> pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not
> OK to throw out my
> Bishop
> Cam
> steering box which we all know is not the best piece
> of engineering if
> not
> downright
> dangerous.
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Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:55 am
by ROSS TAYLOR
Hope for the best that you do not hit a semi trailer when out of control (
wear your seat belt )
Ross
> The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique characteristic
>to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's good or bad,
>seems to become sacrosanct.
> Many such unique aspects have resulted in the demise of either
>the car or driver or both, but as part of the special flavour of
>the car, they are often left to stand.
> The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned or leave well
>alone and hope for the best.
> Regards, Eric.
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>Being young and innocent, I find it hard to understand why it is OK to
>throw out my SU
>pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not OK to throw out my
>Bishop Cam
>steering box which we all know is not the best piece of engineering if not
>downright
>dangerous.
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Re: Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:27 am
by John James
Hello Ian,
Yes, it is expensive, (the stub axles were 500 for the pair) but what
price safety?
The new sector shaft and drop arm just seem common sense if the steering
box is going to be rebuilt. Hopefully the worm is going to be OK!
Regards,
JOHN
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From: ian thomson [mailto:
i.thomson@talk21.com]
Sent: 24 June 2005 09:03
To: John James;
JohnHWSteedman@aol.com
Cc:
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
Hi John. That all sounds expensive. Did you have the
originals crack tested or are you just erring on the
side of prudence?
Ian Thomson.
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--- John James jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm hoping to find the time to do a front end
> overhaul on TC0750 later
> this year, which will include fitting new stub axles
> (machined from
> EN24T), new kingpins and bushes, new road springs
> and poly bushes and
> rebuilding the Bishop Cam box with (hopefully) a new
> sector shaft and
> steering drop arm. This should make a few decent
> articles for "Totally
> T-Type" (the bi-monthly magazine of the 'T' Register
> of the MG Car
> Club).
>
> Regards,
>
> JOHN JAMES
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of
JohnHWSteedman@aol.com
> Sent: 23 June 2005 15:39
> To:
E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk;
viv@trax.co.za;
>
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
>
> This safety issue keeps coming up...But is there any
> record of anyone
> ever being killed in a TABC?
> Please don't tell me about the many near-misses
> we've heard about on
> this list (the word T-boned seems to come to mind),
> but who's exited
> that we know of?
>
> John Steedman
>
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> From: E.Worpe E.Worpe@surrey.ac.uk>
> To: viv viv@trax.co.za>; mg-tabc
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> Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:32:05 +0100
> Subject: [mg-tabc] Phoney Fuel Pumps etc.
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> The Bishop's Cam steering box imparts a unique
> characteristic
> to the T-abc. Anything that does this, whether it's
> good or bad,
> seems to become sacrosanct.
> Many such unique aspects have resulted in the
> demise of either
> the car or driver or both, but as part of the
> special flavour of
> the car, they are often left to stand.
> The choice is yours, modify and live to be damned
> or leave well
> alone and hope for the best.
> Regards, Eric.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Being young and innocent, I find it hard to
> understand why it is OK to
> throw out
> my SU
> pump which in fact is not a bad product but it's not
> OK to throw out my
> Bishop
> Cam
> steering box which we all know is not the best piece
> of engineering if
> not
> downright
> dangerous.
>
> Viv
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