Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:22 pm**

Hello All! I want to obtain some additional power for 7423, not necessarilly for high speed, but to comfortably keep up with traffic and better deal with the hills and inclines in North Scottsdale. After reading about the options such as 3/4 cam, head shaving, larger carbs, etc., it appears that a supercharger would be the best approach while retaining normal drivability. However, the period repro Moss Magnacharger kit, which seems to have received good reviews, is no longer available from Moss. It seems they have gone through their original production run and do not plan to have more manufactured at this point (unless they have ten firm orders in hand...rather unlikely). I have checked with several Moss distributors to no avail...they would pull from Moss stock as needed. My question to the group: does anyone know of a Moss unit "on the shelf" or available? And are there other superchargers available that would work on the XPAG without major modifications? I have searched on the net and in various postings without any luck. Thanks, Bob Izard, TC7423 Scottsdale, AZ

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:58 pm**

Bob Judson made a supercharger in the 1950s and 1960s for many cars including T types, there is a fellow in Connecticut, who rebuilds and supplies them ( when he has them) by the name of George Folchi, if you contact me off list I will give yiou his contact information. Joe curto [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:08 pm**

I purchased a restored Judson from George Folchi a number of years ago for my '57 MGA. A beautiful piece and gave my "A" quite a bit of scoot... I can recommend him, quality work! Dave TC 5228, TC5041 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:46 pm**

Hi Bob Someone from the UK might help, there is a fellow in Wales that refurbishes blower also, name is John Bibby, might be spelling the last name wrong. Contact him, he might have something that is original for the time period. Best of Luck Dean -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rfizard Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:23 PM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Supercharger Hello All! I want to obtain some additional power for 7423, not necessarilly for high speed, but to comfortably keep up with traffic and better deal with the hills and inclines in North Scottsdale. After reading about the options such as 3/4 cam, head shaving, larger carbs, etc., it appears that a supercharger would be the best approach while retaining normal drivability. However, the period repro Moss Magnacharger kit, which seems to have received good reviews, is no longer available from Moss. It seems they have gone through their original production run and do not plan to have more manufactured at this point (unless they have ten firm orders in hand...rather unlikely). I have checked with several Moss distributors to no avail...they would pull from Moss stock as needed. My question to the group: does anyone know of a Moss unit "on the shelf" or available? And are there other superchargers available that would work on the XPAG without major modifications? I have searched on the net and in various postings without any luck. Thanks, Bob Izard, TC7423 Scottsdale, AZ Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:48 am**

G'day Joe, I don't want to be a wet blanket, but down here I recall Judson being somewhat of an 'only if you can't find anything else' sort of a deal. It all stemmed from the fact that, unlike a Shorrock with the vanes arranged and held at a precise clearance inside the chamber, the Judson's vanes in fact were free, and were by centrifugal force allowed to contact the chamber's surface. All very simple in application. The downside however was a short but merry life for both vanes and chamber. Reminiscences with Lynxx Engineering (Sydney) tells of a brisk trade of repeat business honing the Judson chamber's walls and refacing the vanes. I have run both a Shorrock copy... Kleinig, and currently a Marshall Nordec, with very satifying results. Still, these days I suppose you run what you can find. Good luck. Jeff TC 3306 -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 6:58 AM To: theizards@cox.net; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Supercharger Bob Judson made a supercharger in the 1950s and 1960s for many cars including T types, there is a fellow in Connecticut, who rebuilds and supplies them ( when he has them) by the name of George Folchi, if you contact me off list I will give yiou his contact information. Joe curto [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:15 am**

Hi Jeff & Bob I would stay away from a Judson on a TC, fine for a TD, there is really not enough space between the water pump and the radiator on a TC. Regards Dean -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Redman Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:48 AM To: joecurto@aol.com Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] TC Supercharger G'day Joe, I don't want to be a wet blanket, but down here I recall Judson being somewhat of an 'only if you can't find anything else' sort of a deal. It all stemmed from the fact that, unlike a Shorrock with the vanes arranged and held at a precise clearance inside the chamber, the Judson's vanes in fact were free, and were by centrifugal force allowed to contact the chamber's surface. All very simple in application. The downside however was a short but merry life for both vanes and chamber. Reminiscences with Lynxx Engineering (Sydney) tells of a brisk trade of repeat business honing the Judson chamber's walls and refacing the vanes. I have run both a Shorrock copy... Kleinig, and currently a Marshall Nordec, with very satifying results. Still, these days I suppose you run what you can find. Good luck. Jeff TC 3306 -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joecurto@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 6:58 AM To: theizards@cox.net; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] TC Supercharger Bob Judson made a supercharger in the 1950s and 1960s for many cars including T types, there is a fellow in Connecticut, who rebuilds and supplies them ( when he has them) by the name of George Folchi, if you contact me off list I will give yiou his contact information. Joe curto [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:02 am**

Hi Bob, I also tried to purchase a Moss supercharger and was told it was a "dead issue". I wonder how many orders they did receive. Let me know if you get any leads or hear any new info. Thanks, Jim Sullivan TC 7517 Kent Washington

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:08 am**

Dean, or anyone else who has done this, I just bought an Italmechanica Roots style SC for my TC and am restoring it for installation. It looks to me that there is only enough room between the fan belt and the fan for a single belt for the unit. I was thinking of adding a spacer to the fan moving it about 1/2" closer to the radiator to get enough room for two belts. Would it be better to just run one belt and leave the fan alone? Terry TC2285

--- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Jensen" wrote: > Hi Jeff & Bob > I would stay away from a Judson on a TC, fine for a TD, there is really > not enough space between the water pump and the radiator on a TC. > Regards Dean

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:15 am**

Hi Terry Correct, you need a spacer, the Judson came with one. Buy a TD/TF spacer, take it to a machine shop and cut about 1/3rd of it off, and machine it back to fit. Good luck Dean -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Horlick Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:08 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: TC Supercharger Dean, or anyone else who has done this, I just bought an Italmechanica Roots style SC for my TC and am restoring it for installation. It looks to me that there is only enough room between the fan belt and the fan for a single belt for the unit. I was thinking of adding a spacer to the fan moving it about 1/2" closer to the radiator to get enough room for two belts. Would it be better to just run one belt and leave the fan alone? Terry TC2285

--- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Jensen" wrote: > Hi Jeff & Bob > I would stay away from a Judson on a TC, fine for a TD, there is really > not enough space between the water pump and the radiator on a TC. > Regards Dean Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:30 am**

I inquired with Moss Motors on the TC Supercharger situation and was told that they are upgrading the supercharger and will not be available for about 1 month. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]