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Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:24 am
by 49MGTC
Tim;
Forgive me I am about to get upon my "SOAP BOX!!!!"
Unfortunately I think that "most" of the paint/body people today will say
the same thing. These days it is easier to replace than to repair.
Unfortunately, I believe you will find that front fenders (if you find any)
are plated with gold, and may be in worse condition than the ones you
already have!
There is probably someone in your area who works with metal and would find
your existing fenders a challenge. This person will not be a body man,
rather he will be an artist. One who works with metal and takes great pride
in working with metal. I once knew a guy in the Wichita, Kansas area who
took a 1949 Ford truck tailgate and embossed the word FOOL, yes that's right
FOOL. He made it look just like the old Ford script we are familiar with,
but the letters actually spelled FOOL. He did this using a couple of hammers
and a torch. He was an artist. It took him over a week full time just to do
the one word, but when he was done it looked like the factory had made it.
I wish you the best of luck in finding fenders, but suspect you will have to
repair your non repairable fenders or go with the cycle fenders so many cars
seem to have. I like the look of the cycle fenders, but also like the
original ones too.
I do know of a pair of fenders, but the person who owns them is on this list
and can reply to you if he wishes himself.
Wish I could be more help.
Bud Silvers
Beautiful Colorado Springs, Colorado
TC 8192
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Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Front Wings Needed
Hello Fellow Listers:
I recently purchased TC#1549 and am in the process of restoring it. It is
in wonderful shape except for the front wings. There is excessive bondo on
the front portions of them, the wire edge is gone (among other portions) and
the shape is really bad. My paint/body guy says they are unrepairable (at
least by him and a couple others that he has consulted).
Are there any replacement front wings out there??? TC/1549 is, of course,
and "early" car, so I'd prefer to have the early wings, but If necessary,
I'd settle for later ones.
Please Help, I'm currently in Dire Straits.
Thanks in advance,
Tim Moorhead
Dallas, TX
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Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:36 am
by ian thomson
I would endorse all of what you say Bud. Such people
are becoming hard to find though though you probably
have more of them in the states than we have over
here. I would ask if they know what a wheeling
machine is and, if not, walk away. Using original
parts also ensures that the profiles are correct. As
Sherrell points out that there are (I think) three
different profiles especially around the front
"notch". The work is not difficult to a skilled
craftsman, just time consuming, and, unfortunately,
time is what you pay for.
Ian THomson.
--- 49mgtc 49MGTC@usaviator.net> wrote:
> Tim;
>
> Forgive me I am about to get upon my "SOAP BOX!!!!"
>
> Unfortunately I think that "most" of the paint/body
> people today will say
> the same thing. These days it is easier to replace
> than to repair.
> Unfortunately, I believe you will find that front
> fenders (if you find any)
> are plated with gold, and may be in worse condition
> than the ones you
> already have!
>
> There is probably someone in your area who works
> with metal and would find
> your existing fenders a challenge. This person will
> not be a body man,
> rather he will be an artist. One who works with
> metal and takes great pride
> in working with metal. I once knew a guy in the
> Wichita, Kansas area who
> took a 1949 Ford truck tailgate and embossed the
> word FOOL, yes that's right
> FOOL. He made it look just like the old Ford script
> we are familiar with,
> but the letters actually spelled FOOL. He did this
> using a couple of hammers
> and a torch. He was an artist. It took him over a
> week full time just to do
> the one word, but when he was done it looked like
> the factory had made it.
>
> I wish you the best of luck in finding fenders, but
> suspect you will have to
> repair your non repairable fenders or go with the
> cycle fenders so many cars
> seem to have. I like the look of the cycle fenders,
> but also like the
> original ones too.
>
> I do know of a pair of fenders, but the person who
> owns them is on this list
> and can reply to you if he wishes himself.
>
> Wish I could be more help.
>
> Bud Silvers
> Beautiful Colorado Springs, Colorado
> TC 8192
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:02 PM
> To: T-ABC Group
> Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Front Wings Needed
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>
> Hello Fellow Listers:
>
> I recently purchased TC#1549 and am in the process
> of restoring it. It is
> in wonderful shape except for the front wings.
> There is excessive bondo on
> the front portions of them, the wire edge is gone
> (among other portions) and
> the shape is really bad. My paint/body guy says
> they are unrepairable (at
> least by him and a couple others that he has
> consulted).
>
> Are there any replacement front wings out there???
> TC/1549 is, of course,
> and "early" car, so I'd prefer to have the early
> wings, but If necessary,
> I'd settle for later ones.
>
> Please Help, I'm currently in Dire Straits.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tim Moorhead
> Dallas, TX
>
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Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:37 am
by Diecuts@aol.com
Hi all,
With the new style instant dark helmets, welding, especially mig, has gotten
so easy that just about anyone that can light a propane torch can do it. It
just takes a little practice on some scrap fenders or metal. The welding
units do not cost much, around $300, when compared to what you will be charged for
repairs. I was quoted anywhere from $1500 to $3000 from 3 shops to just
restore the metal (not paint or primer) in certain areas on 4 MGSA fenders. The
timing quoted,3-6 weeks ,was not the best. Followed my own advice and got all
four done in one day (around 6 hours)including redoing the first one as the
skill level had improved considerably from the practice of the other 3 .
Plus, once folk find that you can weld, well............
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen, MI TA2969 tickford
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Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 7:34 pm
by Donald Wilkinson
digitaldon concurs (LOUDLY) with Bud & Ian; notes that such goodies as
english wheels, planishing hammers, etc. etc. are readily available from
Eastwoods (
www.eastwoodco.com)..... >metal shop>fabrication, pages 1 to 6.
This stuff is (more than) a little pricey, but if one could learn to make a
needed two or four fenders for one's battered TC tub, just as the original
panel beaters did @ Abingdon, what price that? These techniques useta be
widely known in the US, and standard practice in the collision shops, and
are starting to be revived and once used again, unfortunately, largely on
overblown US iron. (digitaldon, at one time, ACTUALLY thought a George
Barris "custom" was a neat thang!) (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Don
TC 7993
Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 8:31 pm
by Rick Waters
Some of us still think a George Barris Kustom is a Kool thing.
-Rick, TC 7881
Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> wrote:
digitaldon concurs (LOUDLY) with Bud & Ian; notes that such goodies as
english wheels, planishing hammers, etc. etc. are readily available from
Eastwoods (
www.eastwoodco.com)..... >metal shop>fabrication, pages 1 to 6.
This stuff is (more than) a little pricey, but if one could learn to make a
needed two or four fenders for one's battered TC tub, just as the original
panel beaters did @ Abingdon, what price that? These techniques useta be
widely known in the US, and standard practice in the collision shops, and
are starting to be revived and once used again, unfortunately, largely on
overblown US iron. (digitaldon, at one time, ACTUALLY thought a George
Barris "custom" was a neat thang!) (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Don
TC 7993
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Fw: [mg-tabc] TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:49 pm
by Andrew Clayton
I also believe in giving it a go yourself. I decided to take a holiday in
the UK in late 2003 and booked in to do a body restoration course with
Contour Autocraft while there - they are a small firm doing mainly Jag XK
restorations but they also do these courses on the side. Over 5 days I
learned about measuring and drawing the parts, cutting out the metal,
stretching & shrinking it by hammering & wheeling, welding it all together
and finishing off. By the end of the week, each person in the class had
produced a front section of an XK120 front wing with it's very complex
curves and shape.
At the start I wouldn't have believed it possible to do this but with
guidance and a stepwise approach it all came together. Incredibly
satisfying
and I'd highly recommend it to everyone, even if it's just for fun. I'm not
saying I'm an expert by any means but it's given me the confidence to try
and to enjoy myself in the process.
Contour Autocraft still advertise in the English classic car magazines, but
there are several other courses available, including the much higher level
Tech school type. You're lucky in the UK as you have a good choice (in USA
too?) but here in Aus although there are welding courses available, I don't
know of any car restoration specific ones.
Cheers,
Andrew Clayton
Melbourne, Australia.
TC 4054
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>> digitaldon concurs (LOUDLY) with Bud & Ian; notes that such goodies as
>> english wheels, planishing hammers, etc. etc. are readily available from
>> Eastwoods (
www.eastwoodco.com)..... >metal shop>fabrication, pages 1 to
>> 6.
>> This stuff is (more than) a little pricey, but if one could learn to make
>> a
>> needed two or four fenders for one's battered TC tub, just as the
>> original
>> panel beaters did @ Abingdon, what price that? These techniques useta be
>> widely known in the US, and standard practice in the collision shops, and
>> are starting to be revived and once used again, unfortunately, largely on
>> overblown US iron. (digitaldon, at one time, ACTUALLY thought a George
>> Barris "custom" was a neat thang!) (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
>>
>> Don
>> TC 7993
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Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 2:45 am
by 1939mgtb
This may well be a good idea. I have a friend who went to tech school at
the age of 76 to restore his TR4, and wound up doing a great job. Now
81, he is very skilled.
Best,
Ray
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From: "Andrew Clayton" andyc@alphalink.com.au>
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:49 PM
Subject: Fw: [mg-tabc] TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
>I also believe in giving it a go yourself. I decided to take a holiday in
> the UK in late 2003 and booked in to do a body restoration course with
> Contour Autocraft while there - they are a small firm doing mainly Jag XK
> restorations but they also do these courses on the side. Over 5 days I
> learned about measuring and drawing the parts, cutting out the metal,
> stretching & shrinking it by hammering & wheeling, welding it all together
> and finishing off. By the end of the week, each person in the class had
> produced a front section of an XK120 front wing with it's very complex
> curves and shape.
>
> At the start I wouldn't have believed it possible to do this but with
> guidance and a stepwise approach it all came together. Incredibly
> satisfying
> and I'd highly recommend it to everyone, even if it's just for fun. I'm
> not
> saying I'm an expert by any means but it's given me the confidence to try
> and to enjoy myself in the process.
>
> Contour Autocraft still advertise in the English classic car magazines,
> but
> there are several other courses available, including the much higher level
> Tech school type. You're lucky in the UK as you have a good choice (in USA
> too?) but here in Aus although there are welding courses available, I
> don't
> know of any car restoration specific ones.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew Clayton
> Melbourne, Australia.
> TC 4054
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com>
>> To: i.thomson@talk21.com>; 49MGTC@usaviator.net>;
>> mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
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>>
>>> digitaldon concurs (LOUDLY) with Bud & Ian; notes that such goodies as
>>> english wheels, planishing hammers, etc. etc. are readily available from
>>> Eastwoods (
www.eastwoodco.com)..... >metal shop>fabrication, pages 1 to
>>> 6.
>>> This stuff is (more than) a little pricey, but if one could learn to
>>> make
>>> a
>>> needed two or four fenders for one's battered TC tub, just as the
>>> original
>>> panel beaters did @ Abingdon, what price that? These techniques useta
>>> be
>>> widely known in the US, and standard practice in the collision shops,
>>> and
>>> are starting to be revived and once used again, unfortunately, largely
>>> on
>>> overblown US iron. (digitaldon, at one time, ACTUALLY thought a George
>>> Barris "custom" was a neat thang!) (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
>>>
>>> Don
>>> TC 7993
>>>
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Re: TC Front Wings Needed (SOAP BOX)
Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 10:57 am
by WDHarmer@aol.com
Few things are less consistent than the work of George Barris. from the ridiculous to the sublime all from the mind of the same guy.
Dan Harmer
San Diego
'48 TC # 71??
e.S. We're about to do a little forensic sleuthing to find those last two numbers.