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Posted: **Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:16 am**

Hi Group, Im trying to identify the CORRECT colour/color of the rocker cover for my TC restoration. Silver-grey-green is the discription, but how do I match it without product number? Does anyone out the in MG world know the number or where I could purchase a spray can or tin of this paint. I live downunder but will purchase OS if necessary Thanks all John Oliver TC6643, TC9453

Posted: **Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:43 pm**

ME too, Me too. Some one Must have some opinion of the "correct" color

----- Original Message ----- From: john.oliver@ozonline.com.aujohn.oliver@ozonline.com.au> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color Hi Group, Im trying to identify the CORRECT colour/color of the rocker cover for my TC restoration. Silver-grey-green is the discription, but how do I match it without product number? Does anyone out the in MG world know the number or where I could purchase a spray can or tin of this paint. I live downunder but will purchase OS if necessary Thanks all John Oliver TC6643, TC9453 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:21 pm**

John, In a triumph of aesthetics over originality, the rocker cover on #71?? is a beautifully polished aluminum. It nicely matches all the other polished stuff that makes the engine room look like they really looked in the 40s & 50s (At least here in So. California). Remember, the only reason you drove a stock t-type MG in the 50s was - you were driving your mother's car. Dan Harmer, Rainy San Diego, CA '48 TC 71??

Posted: **Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:54 pm**

G'day Mate and Yankee Larry, Allow me to pose a question based on the premise that the MG was an inexpensive [cheep] motorcar. Do you think that MG would have gone to the trouble to tint the non-leafing aluminum paint with the accompying problems of spraying it to a uniform color? May I suggest that because the resin[varnish] available and used in the 40's and 50's the aluminum yellowed on aging and being subjected to the heat and attack of the oil. Was it a cheeper way of finishing the cover instead of chrome plating as done on the TB? Having sold industrial paints in those days, still in biz, the resins were not very resistant, the same as the the nitro-cellulose lacquers that cracked because of the poor resins used as plasticizers. Based on that analysis? I had formulated and used what we call very a fine flake non leafing aluminum pigment which was all that was available at that time. It is the same type pigment used by MG prewar for their gun metal grey metallic finish coats. This is not the large flake now used for the brilliant iridescent finishes. Nor is it the leafing aluminum or sometimes called chrome aluminum that crocks as you touch it or rubs off as you handle a finished piece leaving a black smudge. The resulting finish will be a high semi-gloss, but if you want to get the wet look or a high depth of image, put a clear coat over the top. My suggestion is find the auto paint shop that can show you the difference. If you wish, send me your mailing address and I will spray up for you a panel of what I have used and what I think is what MG, trying to keep costs down, would have{not did} done. Cheers! Bill Hentzen Mequon, Wisconsin

> -----Original Message----- > From: john.oliver@ozonline.com.au [mailto:john.oliver@ozonline.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:14 AM > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color > > > > Hi Group, > > Im trying to identify the CORRECT colour/color of the rocker > cover for my TC restoration. Silver-grey-green is the > description, but how do I match it without product number? Does > anyone out the in MG world know the number or where I could > purchase a spray can or tin of this paint. > > I live downunder but will purchase OS if necessary > > Thanks all > > John Oliver > TC6643, TC9453 > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Posted: **Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:58 pm**

I'm hanging with puce or black..... Best, Ray "Conlige suspectos semper habitos!"

----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE A LECLERC" lkleclerc@msn.com> To: john.oliver@ozonline.com.au>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color > > ME too, Me too. Some one Must have some opinion of the "correct" color > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john.oliver@ozonline.com.aujohn.oliver@ozonline.com.au> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:13 AM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color > > > > Hi Group, > > Im trying to identify the CORRECT colour/color of the rocker cover for my > TC restoration. Silver-grey-green is the discription, but how do I match > it without product number? Does anyone out the in MG world know the number > or where I could purchase a spray can or tin of this paint. > > I live downunder but will purchase OS if necessary > > Thanks all > > John Oliver > TC6643, TC9453 > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Posted: **Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:23 am**

What you say makes sense to me Bill, but what is "leafing/non-leafing"? Ian Thomson. --- Bill Hentzen bill@rangelinemews.com> wrote:

> > G'day Mate and Yankee Larry, > > Allow me to pose a question based on the premise > that the MG was an > inexpensive [cheep] motorcar. > > Do you think that MG would have gone to the trouble > to tint the non-leafing > aluminum paint with the > accompying problems of spraying it to a uniform > color?

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Posted: **Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:23 pm**

Here's a paint code that will do the trick: Sherwin Williams 1966 GM, Chevy Mosport Green Metallic Ext. Code #982 The above paint code is provided courtesy of Barry Briskman in Scottsdale, AZ. I am restoring my car and had Barry rebuild the engine. This is the same color that he has been putting on the rocker cover for 20 years. He matched it back in the early 70's and has used it on all of his MG restorations. My rocker cover looks great. It is a silver green metallic. I also saw an original rocker cover 2 weeks ago in Los Angeles from TC 7383 EXU. As close as I can remember, the Chevy paint code was very close to what I saw on the original. (I did not have them side by side). Certainly close enough for me. Hope this helps. Doug Pelton Mesa, AZ 48 TC 7410 EXU 49 TC 7670 EXU -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE A LECLERC [mailto:lkleclerc@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:31 PM To: john.oliver@ozonline.com.au; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color ME too, Me too. Some one Must have some opinion of the "correct" color

----- Original Message ----- From: john.oliver@ozonline.com.aujohn.oliver@ozonline.com.au> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color Hi Group, Im trying to identify the CORRECT colour/color of the rocker cover for my TC restoration. Silver-grey-green is the discription, but how do I match it without product number? Does anyone out the in MG world know the number or where I could purchase a spray can or tin of this paint. I live downunder but will purchase OS if necessary Thanks all John Oliver TC6643, TC9453 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:04 pm**

Ian, rather than a dissertation explaining more that you care to read-aluminum pigments are treated in the manufacturing process with wetting agents and surfactants to control their activity in the wet paint film. Leafing aluminum pigment particles are treated so they will float and leaf out on the surface, leaving them almost bare, but giving an almost chrome appearance. When you touch a leafing aluminum paint, you disturb the leafing, a smudge is made and it comes off on your finger. It is called crocking. A non-leafing aluminum pigment is treated so it stays in the wet film allowing it to orient itself according to how wet or dry you spray the film. A dry or thin coat and you achieve the most uniform color, but wetter coats or with build up, it will have time to try to flood to the surface and cause the blackish streaks. You will have a resin rich surface with the aluminum below the surface and hence no crocking, but no chrome appearance. After WWII, when I started, we still only had the very basic of aluminum pigment chemistry, so the particles were small as they had pre WWII with the resulting rather faint metallics. Now, there is almost a magic in the range of pigments and techniques in formulating with amazing results. E'nuf, the cubes in my glass are sucking air. Cheers! Bill Hentzen

> -----Original Message----- > From: ian thomson [mailto:i.thomson@talk21.com] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:24 AM > To: mg-tabc > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color > > > > What you say makes sense to me Bill, but what is > "leafing/non-leafing"? > > > Ian Thomson. > > > --- Bill Hentzen bill@rangelinemews.com> wrote: > > > > G'day Mate and Yankee Larry, > > > > Allow me to pose a question based on the premise > > that the MG was an > > inexpensive [cheep] motorcar. > > > > Do you think that MG would have gone to the trouble > > to tint the non-leafing > > aluminum paint with the > > accompying problems of spraying it to a uniform > > color? > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

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Posted: **Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:30 pm**

And a toast to Bill --By God

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Hentzenbill@rangelinemews.com> To: ian thomsoni.thomson@talk21.com> Cc: mg-tabcmg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color Ian, rather than a dissertation explaining more that you care to read-aluminum pigments are treated in the manufacturing process with wetting agents and surfactants to control their activity in the wet paint film. Leafing aluminum pigment particles are treated so they will float and leaf out on the surface, leaving them almost bare, but giving an almost chrome appearance. When you touch a leafing aluminum paint, you disturb the leafing, a smudge is made and it comes off on your finger. It is called crocking. A non-leafing aluminum pigment is treated so it stays in the wet film allowing it to orient itself according to how wet or dry you spray the film. A dry or thin coat and you achieve the most uniform color, but wetter coats or with build up, it will have time to try to flood to the surface and cause the blackish streaks. You will have a resin rich surface with the aluminum below the surface and hence no crocking, but no chrome appearance. After WWII, when I started, we still only had the very basic of aluminum pigment chemistry, so the particles were small as they had pre WWII with the resulting rather faint metallics. Now, there is almost a magic in the range of pigments and techniques in formulating with amazing results. E'nuf, the cubes in my glass are sucking air. Cheers! Bill Hentzen > -----Original Message----- > From: ian thomson [mailto:i.thomson@talk21.com] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:24 AM > To: mg-tabc > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Bread Tin Colour/Color > > > > What you say makes sense to me Bill, but what is > "leafing/non-leafing"? > > > Ian Thomson. > > > --- Bill Hentzen bill@rangelinemews.combill@rangelinemews.com>> wrote: > > > > G'day Mate and Yankee Larry, > > > > Allow me to pose a question based on the premise > > that the MG was an > > inexpensive [cheep] motorcar. > > > > Do you think that MG would have gone to the trouble > > to tint the non-leafing > > aluminum paint with the > > accompying problems of spraying it to a uniform > > color? > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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