Whitworth nut and bolt supplier

[Joe Curto]

Ther is a Heli-coil replacement company called RE-Coil out of Australia , prices are very reasonable for installation kits  the fellows in the States carry them I do not know about UK & Europe Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: norman verona norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com>; mingle54@btinternet.com mingle54@btinternet.com>; roger.46tc@gmail.com roger.46tc@gmail.com> Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 14, 2019 10:53 am Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Whitworth nut and bolt supplier   Joe s reminded me that BAPP stock helicoil products.   [b][u]Norman Verona aka "Email Norman"[/u][/b] 11 Cherry close, Royston, S71 4LZ Mob: 0741 9905 741 Web: www.frenchblat.com   [b]From:[/b] Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com> [b]Sent:[/b] 14 October 2019 15:07 [b]To:[/b] mingle54@btinternet.com; norman verona norman@frenchblat.com>; roger.46tc@gmail.com [b]Cc:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Whitworth nut and bolt supplier   If in USA these folks are pretty helpful with BSF & Whitworth as well as Heli-coils They are located UP State New York , they are a division of a company called Casswell  who does home plating kits    British taps and dies 315 946-9400 ex 2   Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com   -----Original Message----- From: Mike Inglehearn mingle54@btinternet.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: norman verona norman@frenchblat.com>; Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com> Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 14, 2019 9:56 am Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Whitworth nut and bolt supplier   Hi Norman I can only find metric on the website, it may be just that your local one still has old stock in           On Monday, 14 October 2019, 12:25:54 CEST, norman verona norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:       Just to confirm BAPP do stock Whitworth, some BSF but not BA   https://www.bapp.co.uk/>   This morning I bought 4 x 3/8 x 70mm L Whitworth setscrews, 24 3mm screws and nuts and 48 washers and a 3.2mm drill (1/8 ) and it came to a staggering .. 3.00   [b][u]Norman Verona aka "Email Norman"[/u][/b] 11 Cherry close, Royston, S71 4LZ Mob: 0741 9905 741 Web: www.frenchblat.com   [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]On Behalf Of [/b]norman verona norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 October 2019 22:50 [b]To:[/b] Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com> [b]Cc:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Whitworth nut and bolt supplier     Roger et all,   Sorry it is BABB and they do stock Whitworth. I know because I bought some last Thursday.   As far as I know Roger is the best source for MG metric threaded fixings.   I m back there in the morning, I ll ask what threads they stock although I think we only would want Rogers Mad metrics and Whitworth (maybe a few BA)   [b][u]Norman Verona aka "Email Norman"[/u][/b] 11 Cherry close, Royston, S71 4LZ Mob: 0741 9905 741 Web: www.frenchblat.com   [b]From:[/b] Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com> [b]Sent:[/b] 13 October 2019 20:37 [b]To:[/b] norman verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Whitworth nut and bolt supplier   hi Norman - they are called BAPP and seem to be suppliers to the structural industry, I could not see anything other than metric...   The bellhousing bolts in question are 8 x 1.0mm, as are the majority in the XPAG (lists are available, no need to repeat here) and I have everything, either with modern 13mm AF heads (only a tad smaller than the 5/16" BSF size) or with correct heads (at greater expense). I do of course have a "cottage industry" called "Mad Metrics" which many of you have used.   For these engine stands bolts 90mm long are needed, and the longest I have are 80mm for the rocker pedestals. Therefore, either studs will have to be used, or I can re-thread some HT socket cap head bolts (my preferred option).   oc[b]T[/b]agonally   Roger   On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 5:30 PM norman verona norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  All those in the UK, if you have never heard of BABB they stock Whitworth (as well as UNF/UNC/Metric (but not 1.0 pitch)) fixings.   They have branches at:   Branches Barnsley Mansfield Hull Scunthorpe   Leeds West Midlands Brighouse Preston   Doncaster Rochdale Leicester     The prices are right.     [b][u]Norman Verona aka "Email Norman"[/u][/b] 11 Cherry close, Royston, S71 4LZ Mob: 0741 9905 741 Web: www.frenchblat.com   [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]On Behalf Of [/b]norman verona norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 October 2019 16:37 [b]To:[/b] Duncan morelists@yahoo.com>; CLIVE SHERRIFF csherriff99@gmail.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] XPAG on engine stand     The metric fine 1.0mm pitch was standard . In the 1920s! It was later altered to 1.5mm pitch.   [b][u]Norman Verona aka "Email Norman"[/u][/b] 11 Cherry close, Royston, S71 4LZ Mob: 0741 9905 741 Web: www.frenchblat.com   [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Duncan morelists@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 October 2019 16:18 [b]To:[/b] CLIVE SHERRIFF csherriff99@gmail.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] XPAG on engine stand     No.  1.0 is super fine pitch in one metric size, fine in another, and standard in others.  Fineness of pitch is dependent on size that goes with it.   _________________________________________________     On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 01:43:37 AM PDT, CLIVE SHERRIFF csherriff99@gmail.com> wrote:     No, 1.25 is Standard Metric,   1.0 is Standard Metric Fine.   [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F% ... P32rTg--~E[/img] Virus-free. www.avast.com   On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 23:39, Duncan morelists@yahoo.com> wrote: Standard Metric Fine is generally what people call 1.25mm.  I think the threads in question are 8 x 1.00.  Not standard, but often can be found. Duncan-   On Saturday, October 12, 2019, 06:00:48 AM PDT, CLIVE SHERRIFF csherriff99@gmail.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:       The 1mm thread is no problem,  It's standard Metric Fine thread.  Easily available, bur not with BSF/Whit heads of course. Clive   [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F% ... P32rTg--~E[/img] Virus-free. www.avast.com   On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 11:56, 'dg573@btinternet.com' dg573@btinternet.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Just in the process of doing that, myself.. The onemillimetre thread in the block is a problem as it limits the bolts that can be used but I've done it before with good bolts and some steel short strips to line things up. I think it's actually a bit safer than it looks ! I'll let you know if it isn't !! David White ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graham graham47tc@btinternet.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: "MG TC TC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, 12 Oct, 2019 At 09:08 Subject: [mg-tabc] XPAG on engine stand I want to bolt my engine to a stand. Are the 4 bell housing bolts and the tapped holes in the block strong enough? It doesn't look much . I need to avoid any use of the holes in the alloy sump, as I will need to rotate the engine, and remove it. Any advice welcome. Graham Sent from my iPad

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[Steve S]

It depends on the engine stand. Mine requires a bolt length of 70mm to secure an XPAG engine. I use 80mm with a few washers so I can get as many threads in as possible. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 10/13/2019 12:37 PM, Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com [mg-tabc] wrote:

hi Norman - they are called BAPP and seem to be suppliers to the structural industry, I could not see anything other than metric... The bellhousing bolts in question are 8 x 1.0mm, as are the majority in the XPAG (lists are available, no need to repeat here) and I have everything, either with modern 13mm AF heads (only a tad smaller than the 5/16" BSF size) or with correct heads (at greater expense). I do of course have a "cottage industry" called "Mad Metrics" which many of you have used. For these engine stands bolts 90mm long are needed, and the longest I have are 80mm for the rocker pedestals. Therefore, either studs will have to be used, or I can re-thread some HT socket cap head bolts (my preferred option). oc[b]T[/b]agonally Roger

[Bill Hyatt]

For sure you want the full length of bolt shank to be load bearing& pass into washers. Threaded portion of bolt at clamped joint a serious no no! -Bill HyattSent from my iPhone

On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  It depends on the engine stand.  Mine requires a bolt length of 70mm to secure an XPAG engine.  I use 80mm with a few washers so I can get as many threads in as possible. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 10/13/2019 12:37 PM, Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com [mg-tabc] wrote:   hi Norman - they are called BAPP and seem to be suppliers to the structural industry, I could not see anything other than metric... The bellhousing bolts in question are 8 x 1.0mm, as are the majority in the XPAG (lists are available, no need to repeat here) and I have everything, either with modern 13mm AF heads (only a tad smaller than the 5/16" BSF size) or with correct heads (at greater expense). I do of course have a "cottage industry" called "Mad Metrics" which many of you have used. For these engine stands bolts 90mm long are needed, and the longest I have are 80mm for the rocker pedestals. Therefore, either studs will have to be used, or I can re-thread some HT socket cap head bolts (my preferred option). oc[b]T[/b]agonally Roger

[Steve S]

The washers are placed at the head of the bolt. The welded standoffs are at the engine side. I posted a photo of my setup a few days ago. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 10/16/2019 11:56 AM, Bill Hyatt wrote:

For sure you want the full length of bolt shank to be load bearing& pass into washers. Threaded portion of bolt at clamped joint a serious no no! -Bill Hyatt Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: It depends on the engine stand. Mine requires a bolt length of 70mm to secure an XPAG engine. I use 80mm with a few washers so I can get as many threads in as possible. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 10/13/2019 12:37 PM, Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com [mg-tabc] wrote: hi Norman - they are called BAPP and seem to be suppliers to the structural industry, I could not see anything other than metric... The bellhousing bolts in question are 8 x 1.0mm, as are the majority in the XPAG (lists are available, no need to repeat here) and I have everything, either with modern 13mm AF heads (only a tad smaller than the 5/16" BSF size) or with correct heads (at greater expense). I do of course have a "cottage industry" called "Mad Metrics" which many of you have used. For these engine stands bolts 90mm long are needed, and the longest I have are 80mm for the rocker pedestals. Therefore, either studs will have to be used, or I can re-thread some HT socket cap head bolts (my preferred option). oc[b]T[/b]agonally Roger