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Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:49 am**

Hello TC'ers

I've been absent from participating on the site for some time but looking to purchase another TC. Have owned two but been about 15 years since I had my last one TC 7636. Question I have is how does not having the original engine impact the value of what is otherwise a beautifully restored 47 TC ? It is a correct XPAG engine, just not the right one. I'm 71 and do not want to make a stupid decision at this time in my life as know at some point I will need to pass this car onto another steward of the marque. Thanks in advance for your input.

Mike

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:09 am**

Mike, In my opinion, for what it's worth, it's not that important for a TC to be numbers matching. They're collectible because they're beautiful and fun, not because they're valuable. Gene GillamSaucier, MS Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:26 am**

Hi Mike, Gene's correct. As long as the engine is an XPAG, you are good to go for the majority of us. With the TAs, often the MPJG engine was replaced by the factory with a XPAG engine at customer request, the performance was that much better, the happy fate of my TA Tickford.....:} Cheers, Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn, MI TA2969 Tickford -----Original Message----- From: Gene Gillam anngene@bellsouth.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 9:09 am Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: question on value #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 -- #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 .ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-photo-title{clear:both;font-size:smaller;min-height:15px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;width:75px;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-photo{background-position:center;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-color:white;border:1px solid black;min-height:62px;width:62px;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996photo-title a, #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996photo-title a:active, #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996photo-title a:hover, #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-table div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-row {clear:both;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-table div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-row div {float:left;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 p {clear:both;padding:15px 0 3px 0;overflow:hidden;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-file {width:30px;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-table div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-row div div a {text-decoration:none;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-table div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996attach-row div div span {font-weight:normal;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 div.ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-file-title {font-weight:bold;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823 -- #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp .ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ad {padding:0 0;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp .ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ad p {margin:0;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996 #ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ygrp-mkp .ygrps-yiv-1493818823yiv5955102996ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#ygrps-yiv-1493818823 Mike, In my opinion, for what it's worth, it's not that important for a TC to be numbers matching. They're collectible because they're beautiful and fun, not because they're valuable. Gene Gillam Saucier, MS Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:10 am**

I think to most people the value will be affected somewhat by a replacement engine. To what degree will depend on the potential buyer. Collectors and fans of factory originality will want a numbers matching car. Drivers won't care so much. I think it also matters somewhat if it's a genuine TC engine or a later TD/TF unit. There were also factory "Gold Seal" replacement engines that some people seem to like even more than the originals for their historical interest. And a TF1500 might actually increase value for someone who wants to drive the car a lot. If the engine number wasn't stamped on the maker's plate in direct view of the numbered engine tag then I think it wouldn't be an issue at all. Bottom line for me is that while I prefer a matching original engine, I wouldn't pass up a deal on a good car because it didn't match. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 8/22/2019 5:49 AM, MIKE LEWIS Harborislander@aol.com [mg-tabc] wrote:

Hello TC'ers I've been absent from participating on the site for some time but looking to purchase another TC. Have owned two but been about 15 years since I had my last one TC 7636. Question I have is how does not having the original engine impact the value of what is otherwise a beautifully restored 47 TC ? It is a correct XPAG engine, just not the right one. I'm 71 and do not want to make a stupid decision at this time in my life as know at some point I will need to pass this car onto another steward of the marque. Thanks in advance for your input. Mike

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:35 am**

I happened to have a conversation with a club-member friend of mine recently and he gave me his observations on MG resale prices including the T Series and B Series. Bottom line for him: both series will command higher prices in France than in the USA, by quite a margin. He recently sold a late model MGBGT for over $34,000 whereas he was offered much less than that in the US. We both live in the Sacramento area of California if that's of any interest. Andy Reshke On 8/22/2019 9:10 AM, Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] wrote:

I think to most people the value will be affected somewhat by a replacement engine. To what degree will depend on the potential buyer. Collectors and fans of factory originality will want a numbers matching car. Drivers won't care so much. I think it also matters somewhat if it's a genuine TC engine or a later TD/TF unit. There were also factory "Gold Seal" replacement engines that some people seem to like even more than the originals for their historical interest. And a TF1500 might actually increase value for someone who wants to drive the car a lot. If the engine number wasn't stamped on the maker's plate in direct view of the numbered engine tag then I think it wouldn't be an issue at all. Bottom line for me is that while I prefer a matching original engine, I wouldn't pass up a deal on a good car because it didn't match. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 8/22/2019 5:49 AM, MIKE LEWIS Harborislander@aol.com [mg-tabc] wrote: Hello TC'ers I've been absent from participating on the site for some time but looking to purchase another TC. Have owned two but been about 15 years since I had my last one TC 7636. Question I have is how does not having the original engine impact the value of what is otherwise a beautifully restored 47 TC ? It is a correct XPAG engine, just not the right one. I'm 71 and do not want to make a stupid decision at this time in my life as know at some point I will need to pass this car onto another steward of the marque. Thanks in advance for your input. Mike

Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:36 am**

It may also be dependent on the price of the car, if it is a high dollar car with lots of technical correctness than I think the numbers matter but if it is a low priced car and is a nice runner and a good honest car why pass it up Joe -----Original Message----- From: Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG tabcgroups MG-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] question on value I think to most people the value will be affected somewhat by a replacement engine. To what degree will depend on the potential buyer. Collectors and fans of factory originality will want a numbers matching car. Drivers won't care so much. I think it also matters somewhat if it's a genuine TC engine or a later TD/TF unit. There were also factory "Gold Seal" replacement engines that some people seem to like even more than the originals for their historical interest. And a TF1500 might actually increase value for someone who wants to drive the car a lot. If the engine number wasn't stamped on the maker's plate in direct view of the numbered engine tag then I think it wouldn't be an issue at all. Bottom line for me is that while I prefer a matching original engine, I wouldn't pass up a deal on a good car because it didn't match. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 8/22/2019 5:49 AM, MIKE LEWIS Harborislander@aol.com [mg-tabc] wrote:

Hello TC'ers I've been absent from participating on the site for some time but looking to purchase another TC. Have owned two but been about 15 years since I had my last one TC 7636. Question I have is how does not having the original engine impact the value of what is otherwise a beautifully restored 47 TC ? It is a correct XPAG engine, just not the right one. I'm 71 and do not want to make a stupid decision at this time in my life as know at some point I will need to pass this car onto another steward of the marque. Thanks in advance for your input. Mike

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Posted: **Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:19 am**

Hey all, I just sold TC 2850 and my MGA to a fellow from Great Briton. He is a re-seller and hopes to make a tidy profit in Europe. When I spoke to the shipping company, they said that around 100 cars a month go to Europe, mostly European brands. Tom -----Original Message----- From: 'Andrew P. Reshke' apreshke@comcast.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: Steve S mail@mgnuts.com>; MG tabcgroups MG-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] question on value I happened to have a conversation with a club-member friend of mine recently and he gave me his observations on MG resale prices including the T Series and B Series. Bottom line for him: both series will command higher prices in France than in the USA, by quite a margin. He recently sold a late model MGBGT for over $34,000 whereas he was offered much less than that in the US. We both live in the Sacramento area of California if that's of any interest. Andy Reshke On 8/22/2019 9:10 AM, Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] wrote:

I think to most people the value will be affected somewhat by a replacement engine. To what degree will depend on the potential buyer. Collectors and fans of factory originality will want a numbers matching car. Drivers won't care so much. I think it also matters somewhat if it's a genuine TC engine or a later TD/TF unit. There were also factory "Gold Seal" replacement engines that some people seem to like even more than the originals for their historical interest. And a TF1500 might actually increase value for someone who wants to drive the car a lot. If the engine number wasn't stamped on the maker's plate in direct view of the numbered engine tag then I think it wouldn't be an issue at all. Bottom line for me is that while I prefer a matching original engine, I wouldn't pass up a deal on a good car because it didn't match. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 8/22/2019 5:49 AM, MIKE LEWIS Harborislander@aol.com [mg-tabc] wrote: Hello TC'ers I've been absent from participating on the site for some time but looking to purchase another TC. Have owned two but been about 15 years since I had my last one TC 7636. Question I have is how does not having the original engine impact the value of what is otherwise a beautifully restored 47 TC ? It is a correct XPAG engine, just not the right one. I'm 71 and do not want to make a stupid decision at this time in my life as know at some point I will need to pass this car onto another steward of the marque. Thanks in advance for your input. Mike

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