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Does anyone have a paint code that will work. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Whatever you choose, someone will tell you it is wrong. Apparently MG was using some paint left over from the war - or something like that - resulting in significant variations in opinion is not color. Dan Harmer -48 TC # 5122, San Diego -----Original Message----- From: Carlyle Merritt carlyle@merritt-computer.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2018 2:12 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Gray paint code for TC firewall   Does anyone have a paint code that will work. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus #ygrps-yiv-843945624 #ygrps-yiv-843945624AOLMsgPart_2_e1a0c95d-f3d4-4161-a35b-3c078e01c4aa td{color:black;}#ygrps-yiv-843945624 .ygrps-yiv-843945624aolReplacedBody #ygrps-yiv-843945624aolmail_ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#ygrps-yiv-843945624 .ygrps-yiv-843945624aolReplacedBody #ygrps-yiv-843945624aolmail_ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#ygrps-yiv-843945624 .ygrps-yiv-843945624aolReplacedBody #ygrps-yiv-843945624aolmail_ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-843945624aolmail_hd 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After a lot of time passed to find the exactly paint- I follow the paint of the interiors see on the British Tanks modelerslight grey with a bit of green & blue - medium  Silk, satin40 086 VOLVO PENTA "AQUAMATIC"  ( used on the saildrive of marine VOLVO PENTA) find ready as spare on spray bottle in ITALY NOTE : XPAG ENGINE was from WOLSLEY plant,  that used one other kind of paintthe ROYAL MARINE battle ships paintmore DARK  GREY[b] matt[/b]find on old FIAT lorry catalog as 026  NOT GLOSSY, IF I remember well

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When I restored TC2911 I found that the firewall had been painted as many times and colors as the body.  However; the firewall had never been separated from the body given the very rusty condition   of the lower bolts.  Therefore when   I unbolted the firewall from the front body timbers exposing the back side of the flange that goes all the way around it, I found a light gray, low gloss paint.  Sort of like a typical light gray primer, but with a bit of gloss, I saw no tint of green or blue.  However this is not to say that different paints were used based upon what was available at the time.  I simply repainted a light gray Rustoleum shade inside and out available as a standard Rustoleum rattle can color.Steve TC2911 [b]From:[/b] "Andrea VILLA searunner99@yahoo.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] "mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 3:21 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Re: Gray paint code for TC firewall   After a lot 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The words Can and Worms spring to mind! We have been through this [i]ad nauseam[/i] (excuse my Latin...) FWIW for TC0978 I got a good match from unexposed paint under the little triangular cable box, and it was Lada Derwent Grey (Ladas are now extinct). The problem with looking at "original, never restored" cars is that the heat and oil fumes have turned the original paint, whether green, grey or greenish-grey, more yellow. And as many people have pointed out, the colour changed all the time depending on what Abingdon could get hold of. For the first year of TC production, only black was available for similar reasons. oc[b]T[/b]agonally RogerTC0978, July 1946, one of the very first ones NOT to be black.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:12 PM Carlyle Merritt carlyle@merritt-computer.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] Does anyone have a paint code that will work. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

-Bill HyattSent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message:

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt usaj24@earthlink.net> [b]Date:[/b] October 18, 2018 at 8:50:25 PM EDT [b]To:[/b] carlyle@merritt-computer.com [b]Subject:[/b] [b]Re: Gray paint code for TC firewall[/b]

C. This is a very tough nut to crack. Eg, Today s mainstream paint suppliers offer replacement formularies that match OEM colors, however they also offer  variations of mixes that try to match aged weather beaten colors. Very subjective and a moving target. Paint suppliers recognize that as OEM colors age, the color varies from as new when first laid down, thus the need to variations to more closely match aged color. Bill TC 4926 Odessa, Fl. -Bill Hyatt Sent from my iPhone

I wouldn't be surprised if making any part of the car "the original color" would depend upon duplicating not only the exact pigment complement, but also duplicating the same pigment vehicles, thinners, guns, spraying technique, and atmospheric conditions present at the time they were sprayed when new.  My guess is that while maybe the Ferrari/Porsche/Bugatti/Duesenberg crowds might go to those extremes, it's very unlikely anybody in the MG world (excepting maybe Tom Metcalf) would. Of course we now live in a post-nuclear, postindustrial atmosphere which might influence color reflectance/transmission. And, individuals' cognitive/perceptual changes relating to the western world's epidemic of metabolic syndrome/obesity, as well as the aging of the population interested in MGs, all probably conspire to mean perceptions of any particular spectrographic definition of color aren't exactly what they were to 25-30 year olds with BMIs of 20 in 1949.  During its restoration in the 90s, exu7617 was sprayed in Deltron (acrylic urethane) using a paint formulated to match an area of original factory color found inside the spare wheel carrier i.e. protected from sunlight.  Unlike the original lacquer which probably yellowed (and might explain why Sequoia Cream cars usually look yellowish), this new stuff is probably exactly the same color as it was 20 years ago when fresh (I'm guessing Deltron will withstand the nuclear holocaust without much color change).  But it's not on a new car anymore.  So even though I went to the effort of spraying it "as close to factory" as possible when building a "new TC", now I'm no longer driving an "authentically colored" car because the color isn't what a 20 year old Sequoia Cream TC would have been.  There are no skinny 25 year olds from a relatively nonpolluted, non-heated, noncrowded, non-radiated world who were there when 6160 left Abingdon in 1948 who can tell me whether or not its current green is "correct" or not.  Depending on which black/white film and filter I use, it looks like exactly the same color as historic pictures of green TCs.  So it must be correct........ Given all that, the whole color discussion is counting the proverbial dancing angels on the pinhead.  I doubt it matters much what color any of it is other than 1. in a B/W photo it's the same shade of gray (relative to Adams' Zone 5) as in the factory photos, [i]and[/i]  2. it pleases the owner for whatever reason the owner identifies.   Can we now go back to steering boxes and halfshafts?   ----pps [b]From:[/b] "Bill Hyatt usaj24@earthlink.net [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, October 19, 2018 9:55 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Fwd: Gray paint code for TC firewall   -Bill HyattSent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message:

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt usaj24@earthlink.net> [b]Date:[/b] October 18, 2018 at 8:50:25 PM EDT [b]To:[/b] carlyle@merritt-computer.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: Gray paint code for TC firewall

C. This is a very tough nut to crack. Eg, Today s mainstream paint suppliers offer replacement formularies that match OEM colors, however they also offer  variations of mixes that try to match aged weather beaten colors. Very subjective and a moving target. Paint suppliers recognize that as OEM colors age, the color varies from as new when first laid down, thus the need to variations to more closely match aged color. 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[img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F% ... QMARfg--~D[/img] 100 MIGLIA del PROSECCO 2018 41 new photos Album by Andrea Villa

I am quite sure the paint on the inside of the flange on my TC was original and undisturbed, but this is not to say that some different hues may have been mixed or used during the time the light gray firewalls were in evidence.  If I were painting a firewall I would just use light gray or the body color if it were a later car of the proper serial number for body color. As far as the engine color, I really have not a clue as my engine had no original paint left.  I mixed up some paint that compared in color to what I saw used by an experienced TC restorer in the area.In retrospect it probably should have been more gray and the next time I have it out, I may repaint it to reflect that.Steve TC2911 From: "Andrea VILLA searunner99@yahoo.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] "mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, October 20, 2018 6:15 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Re: Gray paint code for TC firewall   Hi SteveONE of The problems was that no colour photo of the era aren't available, thanks for the photo it appear to me very close to your -- but paint of the engine are differenI forghet to include to the e mail a photo --this is the grey that I have usedhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/W5TuN6X7vXdNK6cA9 I followed this photo B/W from courtesy of Mr.T WilsonNew photo by Andrea Villa [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fnq%2Fstorm%2Fassets%2FenhancrV2%2F23%2Flogos%2Fgoogle.png&t=1542957663&sig=R4mdXTtphzUPKva.sX9yKA--~D[/img] New photo by Andrea Villa NOTE the different shade of the engine paint Last week end I have make a long trip (600Km)TEST from Trieste to Valdobbiadene a  nice place where the PROSECCO wine is produced - find a lot of MG cars and  others interestingveterans car - Fortunately NO problem at all , the route up and down the hills was very impegnative Nouvelle photo de Andrea Villa [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fnq%2Fstorm%2Fassets%2FenhancrV2%2F23%2Flogos%2Fgoogle.png&t=1542957663&sig=R4mdXTtphzUPKva.sX9yKA--~D[/img] Nouvelle photo de Andrea Villa and the album100 MIGLIA del PROSECCO 2018 [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fnq%2Fstorm%2Fassets%2FenhancrV2%2F23%2Flogos%2Fgoogle.png&t=1542957663&sig=R4mdXTtphzUPKva.sX9yKA--~D[/img] 100 MIGLIA del PROSECCO 2018 41 new photos 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Steve,

I found the light grey paint on my firewall in the same place between the mounting bracket the base of the firewall with a rubber strip sandwiched between them. Even with the bolts out I had to pry the pieces apart revealing paint that had never been exposed to heat, oil or even air since being assembled, so the area had been sealed off from all of the elements that can alter paint colour. 

Frank

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Stephen D Stierman morgan7709@sbcglobal.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, October 20, 2018 1:06 PM [b]To:[/b] Andrea VILLA; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com   I am quite sure the paint on the inside of the flange on my TC was original and undisturbed, but this is not to say that some different hues may have been mixed or used during the time the light gray firewalls were in evidence.  If I were painting a firewall I would just use light gray or the body color if it were a later car of the proper serial number for body color. As far as the engine color, I really have not a clue as my engine had no original paint left.  I mixed up some paint that compared in color to what I saw used by an experienced TC restorer in the area. In retrospect it probably should have been more gray and the next time I have it out, I may repaint it to reflect that. Steve TC2911 From: "Andrea VILLA searunner99@yahoo.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] "mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, October 20, 2018 6:15 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Re: Gray paint code for TC firewall   Hi Steve ONE of The problems was that no colour photo of the era aren't available,  thanks for the photo it appear to me very close to your -- but paint of the engine are differen I forghet to include to the e mail a photo -- this is the grey that I have used https://photos.app.goo.gl/W5TuN6X7vXdNK6cA9 I followed this photo B/W from courtesy of Mr.T Wilson New photo by Andrea Villa [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fnq%2Fstorm%2Fassets%2FenhancrV2%2F23%2Flogos%2Fgoogle.png&t=1542957663&sig=R4mdXTtphzUPKva.sX9yKA--~D[/img] New photo by Andrea Villa NOTE the different shade of the engine paint Last week end I have make a long trip (600Km)TEST from Trieste to Valdobbiadene  a  nice place where the PROSECCO wine is produced - find a lot of MG cars and  others interesting veterans car - Fortunately NO problem at all , the route up and down the hills was very impegnative  Nouvelle photo de Andrea Villa [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fnq%2Fstorm%2Fassets%2FenhancrV2%2F23%2Flogos%2Fgoogle.png&t=1542957663&sig=R4mdXTtphzUPKva.sX9yKA--~D[/img] Nouvelle photo de Andrea Villa and the album 100 MIGLIA del PROSECCO 2018 [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fnq%2Fstorm%2Fassets%2FenhancrV2%2F23%2Flogos%2Fgoogle.png&t=1542957663&sig=R4mdXTtphzUPKva.sX9yKA--~D[/img] 100 MIGLIA del PROSECCO 2018 41 new photos Album by Andrea Villa