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----- Original Message ----- From: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net> To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. > Okay. > Here's a quasi-pukka question regarding a word derivation. A subject which I find at least as interesting as tonneau cover snaps. > We Americans are "Yanks" or in some areas, "Gringos". Australians are "Ausies" (A shortened form of Australian), New Zealanders are "Kiwis" ( from their National bird). Germans are "Krauts" (obviously a shortening of sauerkraut, a favorite National food). The British, (the MG connection), are "Brits", "Limeys", or "Poms". The derivation of "Brit" is obvious. I can venture a guess as to the derivation of "Limey". I believe there was a popular expression in Elizabethan England which went, "Blame me for the bloody corpse of Christ" which would have been used in a way similar to the way, today, we might say "well, f**k me" or, "I'll be damned" to express dismay or consternation. In time, this original Elizabethan expression yielded four separate expletives, "blame me" with a Cockney accent, became "blimey!" And hence, "Limey". The other three expletives which the original Elizabethan expression yielded are the ever popular "Bloody!", "Cor!" (again, corpse with a Cockney accent), and "Christ!". My question is, where does "Pom" come from? Of course "pomme" is French for apple but I can't figure a connection and everybody knows the French are "Frogs" anyway. > I am genuinely curious and mean no offense to anyone. > > Incidentally, the previous few sentences have caused my computer's spell checker to assume the fetal position in a corner of my monitor screen with its thumb in its mouth. > > Postus Scriptus: It has occurred to me that another, and perhaps more likely, possible derivation for "limey" would be as a reference to the lime-rich and well known Dover white cliffs. > P.S.#2: In some quarters of the globe, we Americans are also known as "the great satan" - but I don't know why..... > > Inquiring Badgers want to know > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

> -----Original Message----- > From: BADGER [mailto:mrbadger@cox.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:15 PM > To: MG-TABC > Subject: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. > > > Okay. > Here's a quasi-pukka question regarding a word derivation. A > subject which I find at least as interesting as tonneau cover snaps. > We Americans are "Yanks" or in some areas, "Gringos". > Australians are "Ausies" (A shortened form of Australian), New > Zealanders are "Kiwis" ( from their National bird). Germans are > "Krauts" (obviously a shortening of sauerkraut, a favorite > National food). The British, (the MG connection), are "Brits", > "Limeys", or "Poms". The derivation of "Brit" is obvious. I can > venture a guess as to the derivation of "Limey". I believe there > was a popular expression in Elizabethan England which went, > "Blame me for the bloody corpse of Christ" which would have been > used in a way similar to the way, today, we might say "well, f**k > me" or, "I'll be damned" to express dismay or consternation. In > time, this original Elizabethan expression yielded four separate > expletives, "blame me" with a Cockney accent, became "blimey!" > And hence, "Limey". The other three expletives which the > original Elizabethan expression yielded are the ever popular > "Bloody!", "Cor!" (again, corpse with a Cockney accent), and > "Christ!". My question is, where does "Pom" come from? Of > course "pomme" is French for apple but I can't figure a > connection and everybody knows the French are "Frogs" anyway. > I am genuinely curious and mean no offense to anyone. > > Incidentally, the previous few sentences have caused my > computer's spell checker to assume the fetal position in a corner > of my monitor screen with its thumb in its mouth. > > Postus Scriptus: It has occurred to me that another, and perhaps > more likely, possible derivation for "limey" would be as a > reference to the lime-rich and well known Dover white cliffs. > P.S.#2: In some quarters of the globe, we Americans are also > known as "the great satan" - but I don't know why..... > > Inquiring Badgers want to know > > This Badger from the State of Wisconsin has had the good fortune to have

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>From: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net> >To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:15:25 -0400 > >Okay. >Here's a quasi-pukka question regarding a word derivation. A subject which >I find at least as interesting as tonneau cover snaps. >We Americans are "Yanks" or in some areas, "Gringos". Australians are >"Ausies" (A shortened form of Australian), New Zealanders are "Kiwis" ( >from their National bird). Germans are "Krauts" (obviously a shortening of >sauerkraut, a favorite National food). The British, (the MG connection), >are "Brits", "Limeys", or "Poms". The derivation of "Brit" is obvious. I >can venture a guess as to the derivation of "Limey". I believe there was a >popular expression in Elizabethan England which went, "Blame me for the >bloody corpse of Christ" which would have been used in a way similar to the >way, today, we might say "well, f**k me" or, "I'll be damned" to express >dismay or consternation. In time, this original Elizabethan expression >yielded four separate expletives, "blame me" with a Cockney accent, became >"blimey!" And hence, "Limey". The other three expletives which the >original Elizabethan expression yielded are the ever popular "Bloody!", >"Cor!" (again, corpse with a Cockney accent), and "Christ!". My question >is, where does "Pom" come from? Of course "pomme" is French for apple but >I can't figure a connection and everybody knows the French are "Frogs" >anyway. >I am genuinely curious and mean no offense to anyone. > >Incidentally, the previous few sentences have caused my computer's spell >checker to assume the fetal position in a corner of my monitor screen with >its thumb in its mouth. > >Postus Scriptus: It has occurred to me that another, and perhaps more >likely, possible derivation for "limey" would be as a reference to the >lime-rich and well known Dover white cliffs. >P.S.#2: In some quarters of the globe, we Americans are also known as "the >great satan" - but I don't know why..... > >Inquiring Badgers want to know > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

> Hey Badge: > > Digitaldon sorta recalls apochryphal references to "Limey" also being > derived from British sailors practice of having a lotta limes among ship's > stores, and sucking on same to avoid Scurvy, a malady caused by certain > dietary deficiences during long cruises aboard old time ragbag ships. > > Don > TC 7993 > > >> From: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net> >> To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. >> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:15:25 -0400 >> >> Okay. >> Here's a quasi-pukka question regarding a word derivation. A subject which >> I find at least as interesting as tonneau cover snaps. >> We Americans are "Yanks" or in some areas, "Gringos". Australians are >> "Ausies" (A shortened form of Australian), New Zealanders are "Kiwis" ( >> from their National bird). Germans are "Krauts" (obviously a shortening of >> sauerkraut, a favorite National food). The British, (the MG connection), >> are "Brits", "Limeys", or "Poms". The derivation of "Brit" is obvious. I >> can venture a guess as to the derivation of "Limey". I believe there was a >> popular expression in Elizabethan England which went, "Blame me for the >> bloody corpse of Christ" which would have been used in a way similar to the >> way, today, we might say "well, f**k me" or, "I'll be damned" to express >> dismay or consternation. In time, this original Elizabethan expression >> yielded four separate expletives, "blame me" with a Cockney accent, became >> "blimey!" And hence, "Limey". The other three expletives which the >> original Elizabethan expression yielded are the ever popular "Bloody!", >> "Cor!" (again, corpse with a Cockney accent), and "Christ!". My question >> is, where does "Pom" come from? Of course "pomme" is French for apple but >> I can't figure a connection and everybody knows the French are "Frogs" >> anyway. >> I am genuinely curious and mean no offense to anyone. >> >> Incidentally, the previous few sentences have caused my computer's spell >> checker to assume the fetal position in a corner of my monitor screen with >> its thumb in its mouth. >> >> Postus Scriptus: It has occurred to me that another, and perhaps more >> likely, possible derivation for "limey" would be as a reference to the >> lime-rich and well known Dover white cliffs. >> P.S.#2: In some quarters of the globe, we Americans are also known as "the >> great satan" - but I don't know why..... >> >> Inquiring Badgers want to know >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hentzen" bill@rangelinemews.com> To: "mg-tabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BADGER [mailto:mrbadger@cox.net] > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:15 PM > > To: MG-TABC > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. > > > > > > Okay. > > Here's a quasi-pukka question regarding a word derivation. A > > subject which I find at least as interesting as tonneau cover snaps. > > We Americans are "Yanks" or in some areas, "Gringos". > > Australians are "Ausies" (A shortened form of Australian), New > > Zealanders are "Kiwis" ( from their National bird). Germans are > > "Krauts" (obviously a shortening of sauerkraut, a favorite > > National food). The British, (the MG connection), are "Brits", > > "Limeys", or "Poms". The derivation of "Brit" is obvious. I can > > venture a guess as to the derivation of "Limey". I believe there > > was a popular expression in Elizabethan England which went, > > "Blame me for the bloody corpse of Christ" which would have been > > used in a way similar to the way, today, we might say "well, f**k > > me" or, "I'll be damned" to express dismay or consternation. In > > time, this original Elizabethan expression yielded four separate > > expletives, "blame me" with a Cockney accent, became "blimey!" > > And hence, "Limey". The other three expletives which the > > original Elizabethan expression yielded are the ever popular > > "Bloody!", "Cor!" (again, corpse with a Cockney accent), and > > "Christ!". My question is, where does "Pom" come from? Of > > course "pomme" is French for apple but I can't figure a > > connection and everybody knows the French are "Frogs" anyway. > > I am genuinely curious and mean no offense to anyone. > > > > Incidentally, the previous few sentences have caused my > > computer's spell checker to assume the fetal position in a corner > > of my monitor screen with its thumb in its mouth. > > > > Postus Scriptus: It has occurred to me that another, and perhaps > > more likely, possible derivation for "limey" would be as a > > reference to the lime-rich and well known Dover white cliffs. > > P.S.#2: In some quarters of the globe, we Americans are also > > known as "the great satan" - but I don't know why..... > > > > Inquiring Badgers want to know > > > > This Badger from the State of Wisconsin has had the good fortune to have > been allowed into the great Land of OZ on two occasions. So, may I suggest > you try: Goggle-Pom as in English, which will lead you into a wonderful bit > of history on the 'Land down Under'. Indeed, a special place filled with > very special people. > > Do the dawn ceremony in observance of Anzac Day if you get to > Australia-awesome! > > From that site you will read that POM comes from POHM which was on the back > of each of the 'Prisoner of His Majesty' that was sent to Australia after > the American Colonies were filled up. > > Perhaps, our good mate Jeff Redman will jump in on this. He can always say > things in the right fashion. > > Cheers! > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

>From: "Jeff & Merryl Redman" redcigar@ozemail.com.au> >To: "Bill Hentzen" bill@rangelinemews.com> >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:23:06 +1000 > >'Strewth Bill.... what a wrap-up...!!' > >If all Americans are like Bill and Margery Hentzen, you're always more than >welcome down here. Shame about the distance. Bill once wrote that to >visit >'Oz from the USA was so far that you blokes were almost on the way back >home >by the time you got here . >That's why we invented QANTAS! >OK. to the subject at hand ----- >Mark and Don are right.. The British seafarers, iron men in wooden ships, >had big problems with scurvey caused by the lack of vitamin C - limes went >some way to providing relief to the problem.. But who actually started >calling them 'Limeys' is another question .... > >'Pommies'..... A slightly derisive connotation, the origins >are probably in rhyming slang - "Immigrant" - 'Jimmy Grant' - >"Pomegran'te" - "Pommy" - "Pom"! One popular theory runs that these >new-chums arrived on the docks here with pale skins, but with rosy >cheeks... >just like pomegranates. >Also confirming other threads re transportation of convicts, the term also >grew from official terms in the days of transportation, the letters >P.O.M.E - >(Prisoner Of Mother England) > >Finally, and to finish boring everyone... a 'Big Thank You' to everyone who >responded helping list the current whereabouts of the first 100 TC's. >(Should have had the brains to first check Walter's listing) >There's 3 blokes here who really appreciate this electronic wizardry which >allows a bunch of Pommies, Yanks and Aussies (and others too) to get >together fiddling about with the wherebouts of a handfull of old sports >cars -- which in the great scheme of things probably means bugger-all to >the >rest of the uncaring world. > >Cheers to the 'Group >From.'Reddo. >(somewhat impaired by the best part of a bottle of The Hunter's Finest!)

----- Original Message ----- From: i.thomson@talk21.com> To: mrbadger@cox.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Yanks, Ausies, and Poms. > > As I am sure other "limeys" will point out the term derives from the lime juice used at sea in the days of sailing ships to prevent scurvey which killed a lot of sailors. > > IT > > ----------It has occurred to me that another, and perhaps more likely, possible derivation for "limey" would be as a reference to the lime-rich and well known Dover white cliffs. > > > > > > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >