Wilsons Sandbox

>From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie >having >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in relation >to >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > >Hara wrote: > >(yes it has a clip mark, Sam) > >Sam wrote: > >That brings up an important point. You know, if all the members agree NOT >to ever include attachments in their postings, it would serve as an >"instant" warning to everyone of the appearance of a tained e-mail. They'd >KNOW it didn't belong, and delete it immediately. There's no real need I >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can always >send an attachment separately directly to the peresonal e-mail address of >whoever they need it to go to > >Hara wrote: > >Previous Virus Scan. I could not find out why it did not alert me. > >Sam wrote: > >re-check and be sure it's activated..e-mail activates separately in the >newer Norton, it's not a default item. > >Hara wrote: > > One silly question: Would a mail WITHOUT attachment be 100% virus-free? > >Sam wrote: > >I think Chip would agree, it's about as close as possible, at this time, to >being the ONLY safe thing. I've said before I don't open ANY attachments. >Knowing the person sending it is a trusted source is no protection. He has >no way of knowing there's an attachment there. That's how viruses work. >Person sending it has to tell you before he's going to send it that it's an >attachment he's including, what it is, and what the source was. Ponderous, >but necessary. It's best to put such items in the body of the letter, >where >they can be looked at in the preview window, instead of using attachments >at >all. > >Chip wrote: > > > > > > I'm having trouble understanding why some Norton AV's aren't >responding > > > > to it, as mine goes crazy. I'm guesssing some of the Norton's out >there > > > > aren't of the type configured to scan e-mail OUTSIDE the portal, >before > > > > it enters the computer. > >Sam wrote: > >There are times when Windows can screw up in it's configuration, and >disable >a vital path to one program or another. One of my earlier versions of >Norton became disabled on several occasions by such events (as did other >programs). The latest pro version is pretty reliable, BUT, you have to >TELL >it you want it to monitor incoming e-mail when you install it. The Norton >window that opens when you activate Norton shows you at the top of the list >there whether e-mail protection is "on" or "off" You can turn it "off" and >the rest of Norton keeps working. I keep having problems with AT&T >Broadband, because they refuse support if you've got Norton turned on, and >tell you you have to turn it off, claiming that whatever e-mail problem you >have is Norton's fault. (which is pure bushwa). It's just their way of >ducking responsibility. > > > >Chip wrote: > > > > Possibly, although most recent anti-virus programs scan incoming >e-mail >by > > > default. In order for that not to happen, you'd have to intentionally > > > turn e-mail scanning off. More likely is that they have failed to keep > > > their anti-virus software up to date. That's the most common > > > virus-related problem I have with my customers (I'm an ISP in real >life). > >Sam wrote: >I agree. Particularly if you have an older version of anti-virus >protection. >But less than daily is dangerous. >That's how I found out. I got hit by a "new" virus between updates last >year, before I installed the automatic update version. when we installed >this latest Norton, I assumed (bad word) the e-mail scanning was a part of >the installation. Found out later I had to tell it to do that after it >installed. I have the type that scans at the portal, before the e-mail can >enter the computer...and yes, it does slow down your Outlook Express, but >it's worth the minor inconvenience. My programmer-kid caught that, and >gave >me a lecture. He points out that Windows is the weak link...says like a >condom, it breaks sometimes. > > > >Chip wrote: > > > If I used a PC, because of the rapid-fire release of new viruses I'd >run > > > my anti-virus software's database at least once a week. On a Mac it >isn't > > > as critical because new Mac viruses appear very infrequently. > >Sam wrote; > >I so often envy you Mac-owners. Nowdays, Norton's later versions check >daily automatically, but even that glitches occasionally, and they fail >to...I check daily to see what the last date it updated was, and if it's >been several days, I manually run an update just to be sure. Sometimes, of >course, it's because no new virus definitions have been sent, but it pays >to >be sure. I keep fighting this urge to just go buy a mac, and use it as a >separate computer for e-mail only. > >Best to all, > >Sam Suklis > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

> > Hey Sam: > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like it". > > Don > TC 7993 > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > >having > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in relation > >to > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can

----- Original Message ----- From: seabrook@en.com> To: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> Cc: ssp15@attbi.com>; fold@bcpl.net>; rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac > Hay Don, > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we > never get a virus. > > Craig Seabrook > TC/0911 > > > Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like it". > > > > Don > > TC 7993 > > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > > >having > > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in relation > > >to > > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

>Hay Don, > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we >never get a virus. > >Craig Seabrook >TC/0911 > > >Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, >you'll like it". > > > > Don > > TC 7993

> A less radical solution would be to dump Internet Explorer and use > Netscape or Opera.

> No matter what you use, be careful. Mac and Linux users don't be too > complacent. There are viri out there for them, too. Not as much a > threat as to Microsoft users, but still there.

>From: seabrook@en.com >To: Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> >CC: ssp15@attbi.com, fold@bcpl.net, rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp, >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:42:35 -0500 > >Hay Don, > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we >never get a virus. > >Craig Seabrook >TC/0911 > > >Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll like >it". > > > > Don > > TC 7993 > > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > > >having > > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in >relation > > >to > > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

>From: Ray Spook01@comcast.net> >To: seabrook@en.com, Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> >CC: ssp15@attbi.com, fold@bcpl.net, rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp, >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:58:02 -0500 > >Never get any programs, either.......well, maybe mail order! >Best, >Ray >----- Original Message ----- >From: seabrook@en.com> >To: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> >Cc: ssp15@attbi.com>; fold@bcpl.net>; rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp>; >mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:42 AM >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac > > > > Hay Don, > > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we > > never get a virus. > > > > Craig Seabrook > > TC/0911 > > > > > > Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, you'll >like >it". > > > > > > Don > > > TC 7993 > > > > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > > > >To: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net>, "HaraRyoichi" >rhara@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> > > > >CC: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Virus with Strange Headings? > > > >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:33:13 -0700 > > > > > > > >Hello "old" Chip and Hara: > > > > > > > >(Chip-I'm guessing your using the "old" is a reference to Chip Hellie > > > >having > > > >been on the list first? He is, in fact a young guy, at least in >relation > > > >to > > > >my age...Have known him and his dad for over three decades) > > >can think of for attachments in a list of this type, as members can > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

>From: David & Joyce Edgar djedgar@pacbell.net> >To: T-ABC list mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:37:08 -0700 > >I also have a Mac, and love it. The only problem with everyone >getting a Mac is that it would make it more attractive to virus >builders, as a larger number of users would make creating a Mac virus >more appealing to them. > >In the minority and love it, >David Edgar, TC 5108 >El Cajon, California > >At 10:42 AM -0500 4/21/02, seabrook@en.com wrote: > >Hay Don, > > I agree, we have a MAC & love it. Does everything we want it to do & we > >never get a virus. > > > >Craig Seabrook > >TC/0911 > > > > > >Donald Wilkinson wrote: > > > > > > Hey Sam: > > > > > > Digitaldon sez: "Get a Mac & use it for everything; try it, > >you'll like it". > > > > > > Don > > > TC 7993 > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

>From: Charles Hill candahill@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: candahill@worldnet.att.net >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Get a Mac >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:37:03 -0500 > >A less radical solution would be to dump Internet Explorer and use >Netscape or Opera. > >Then there is Linux. I still wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it >getting better and more user-friendly all the time. > >No matter what you use, be careful. Mac and Linux users don't be too >complacent. There are viri out there for them, too. Not as much a >threat as to Microsoft users, but still there. > >Regards, >Charles Hill > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >