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G'day John G. ( the 1V). Sorry to chime in late mate... been v. busy, just switched back on to find 100+ in the mail box - including your reference to Robson's TSMG page 48 and 49 to support your claims that the cheap 'n cheerful T Series had duo-tone radiators. (Amazing! How and why did they do that on such a budget production). Anyway, and back to the point. Referred the pages you mentioned to a friend,a Mr. Izzy Foreal. He's expert at interpreting B/W photographs. He made a hitherto un-noticed discovery - it's right there on the pages you mentioned - and will surely shake the 'Originality At All Cost Brigade' to their very boots... "MG AIRBRUSHED A FINE HI-LIGHT ONTO THE RADIATOR BRACING TUBES!!!" Hallelujah. Can you speculate the colour used? Appears to be the same colour as the radiator top. Is it green too --- or is just us? Yours in confusion Jeff (the 1st.) TA2828 TC3306

----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net> To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint > Unlikely yes...but they did it and there are way too many factory photos and > original examples out there to just dismiss this. Have a look at the Robson > book mentioned earlier on page 48, and 49. Or look at Mike Sherrell's > excellent book on page 44. BTW this is presumably the TC prototype and > former TB. That is a TB type engine, and it is not black. It has the TB type > tappet side plate,TB chrome valve cover, header tank is not painted black. > This is no longer a TB so the two brush TC dynamo is black and not nickel > like the TB was. This is only the tip of the ice berg folks. > CHEERS, > John & Crystal > TB#0398 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net> > To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint > > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Roger Furneaux wrote: > > > > > hi Bill - must be a trick of the light?! Surely hoses were only ever > > > available in black? > > > > Actually radiator hoses can be made in almost any color. > > > > > And rads had to be assembled at one time before painting, lots of heat > > > from the soldering etc. > > > > Agreed. If you examine how the radiator is soldered together it's obvious > > that it would be impossible to assemble pre-painted bits into a complete > > radiator. It had to be painted after soldering. It seems highly unlikely > > that the Morris radiator plant would have taken the time to do a > > multi-colored paint scheme. > > > > Depending on shades of gray in black & white photos to determine colors > > is always iffy. > > > > -- > > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E > > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

Jeff "the first" and all, Was away...sorry for the delay. I don't suffer fools gladly so do some research of your own before you attack next time. Please see the archives on this subject and check out the attached link. YES...as was said before...early cars had black tanks...talking about 1938 now and after and TB is out on it's own and NOT the same spec. as your TA Tickford ! YES, they were cheap then but they sure as hell are not now...wish they still were ! CHEERS, Johnny TB#0398 PS I was born with that name and I am the last ...OK.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Merryl Redman" redcigar@ozemail.com.au> To: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net> Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint ? Rad tops > G'day John G. ( the 1V). > > Sorry to chime in late mate... been v. busy, just switched back on to find > 100+ in the mail box - including your reference to Robson's TSMG page 48 and > 49 to support your claims that the cheap 'n cheerful T Series had duo-tone > radiators. (Amazing! How and why did they do that on such a budget > production). > > Anyway, and back to the point. > Referred the pages you mentioned to a friend,a Mr. Izzy Foreal. He's expert > at interpreting B/W photographs. > > He made a hitherto un-noticed discovery - it's right there on the pages you > mentioned - and will surely shake the > 'Originality At All Cost Brigade' to their very boots... > > "MG AIRBRUSHED A FINE HI-LIGHT ONTO THE RADIATOR BRACING TUBES!!!" > > Hallelujah. > > Can you speculate the colour used? > Appears to be the same colour as the radiator top. > > Is it green too --- or is just us? > > Yours in confusion > Jeff (the 1st.) > TA2828 > TC3306 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net> > To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:13 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint > > > > Unlikely yes...but they did it and there are way too many factory photos > and > > original examples out there to just dismiss this. Have a look at the > Robson > > book mentioned earlier on page 48, and 49. Or look at Mike Sherrell's > > excellent book on page 44. BTW this is presumably the TC prototype and > > former TB. That is a TB type engine, and it is not black. It has the TB > type > > tappet side plate,TB chrome valve cover, header tank is not painted black. > > This is no longer a TB so the two brush TC dynamo is black and not nickel > > like the TB was. This is only the tip of the ice berg folks. > > CHEERS, > > John & Crystal > > TB#0398 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net> > > To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Roger Furneaux wrote: > > > > > > > hi Bill - must be a trick of the light?! Surely hoses were only ever > > > > available in black? > > > > > > Actually radiator hoses can be made in almost any color. > > > > > > > And rads had to be assembled at one time before painting, lots of heat > > > > from the soldering etc. > > > > > > Agreed. If you examine how the radiator is soldered together it's > obvious > > > that it would be impossible to assemble pre-painted bits into a complete > > > radiator. It had to be painted after soldering. It seems highly > unlikely > > > that the Morris radiator plant would have taken the time to do a > > > multi-colored paint scheme. > > > > > > Depending on shades of gray in black & white photos to determine colors > > > is always iffy. > > > > > > -- > > > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > > > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E > > > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >

Jeff, Steady on, old boy! The Yanks are notoriously thin-skinned!! David Lodge. John G. Bulcken IV wrote:

Jeff "the first" and all, Was away...sorry for the delay. I don't suffer fools gladly so do some research of your own before you attack next time. Please see the archives on this subject and check out the attached link. YES...as was said before...early cars had black tanks...talking about 1938 now and after and TB is out on it's own and NOT the same spec. as your TA Tickford ! YES, they were cheap then but they sure as hell are not now...wish they still were ! CHEERS, Johnny TB#0398 PS I was born with that name and I am the last ...OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Merryl Redman" redcigar@ozemail.com.au To: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint ? Rad tops G'day John G. ( the 1V). Sorry to chime in late mate... been v. busy, just switched back on to find 100+ in the mail box - including your reference to Robson's TSMG page 48

and 49 to support your claims that the cheap 'n cheerful T Series had duo-tone radiators. (Amazing! How and why did they do that on such a budget production). Anyway, and back to the point. Referred the pages you mentioned to a friend,a Mr. Izzy Foreal. He's expert at interpreting B/W photographs. He made a hitherto un-noticed discovery - it's right there on the pages you mentioned - and will surely shake the 'Originality At All Cost Brigade' to their very boots... "MG AIRBRUSHED A FINE HI-LIGHT ONTO THE RADIATOR BRACING TUBES!!!" Hallelujah. Can you speculate the colour used? Appears to be the same colour as the radiator top. Is it green too --- or is just us? Yours in confusion Jeff (the 1st.) TA2828 TC3306 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint Unlikely yes...but they did it and there are way too many factory photos and original examples out there to just dismiss this. Have a look at the Robson book mentioned earlier on page 48, and 49. Or look at Mike Sherrell's excellent book on page 44. BTW this is presumably the TC prototype and former TB. That is a TB type engine, and it is not black. It has the TB type tappet side plate,TB chrome valve cover, header tank is not painted black. This is no longer a TB so the two brush TC dynamo is black and not nickel like the TB was. This is only the tip of the ice berg folks. CHEERS, John & Crystal TB#0398 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Roger Furneaux wrote: hi Bill - must be a trick of the light?! Surely hoses were only ever available in black? Actually radiator hoses can be made in almost any color. And rads had to be assembled at one time before painting, lots of heat from the soldering etc. Agreed. If you examine how the radiator is soldered together it's obvious that it would be impossible to assemble pre-painted bits into a complete radiator. It had to be painted after soldering. It seems highly unlikely that the Morris radiator plant would have taken the time to do a multi-colored paint scheme. Depending on shades of gray in black & white photos to determine colors is always iffy. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

And the TANK WAR rages on and on ! Be brave men and women ! Cheers, Johnny (pint in hand and still grinning)

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] wargs@mac.com [b]To:[/b] cbrenner01@snet.net [b]Cc:[/b] redcigar@ozemail.com.au ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, March 10, 2002 2:30 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint ? Rad tops Jeff, Steady on, old boy! The Yanks are notoriously thin-skinned!! David Lodge. John G. Bulcken IV wrote: Jeff "the first" and all, Was away...sorry for the delay. I don't suffer fools gladly so do some research of your own before you attack next time. Please see the archives on this subject and check out the attached link. YES...as was said before...early cars had black tanks...talking about 1938 now and after and TB is out on it's own and NOT the same spec. as your TA Tickford ! YES, they were cheap then but they sure as hell are not now...wish they still were ! CHEERS, Johnny TB#0398 PS I was born with that name and I am the last ...OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Merryl Redman" redcigar@ozemail.com.au To: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint ? Rad tops G'day John G. ( the 1V). Sorry to chime in late mate... been v. busy, just switched back on to find 100+ in the mail box - including your reference to Robson's TSMG page 48

and 49 to support your claims that the cheap 'n cheerful T Series had duo-tone radiators. (Amazing! How and why did they do that on such a budget production). Anyway, and back to the point. Referred the pages you mentioned to a friend,a Mr. Izzy Foreal. He's expert at interpreting B/W photographs. He made a hitherto un-noticed discovery - it's right there on the pages you mentioned - and will surely shake the 'Originality At All Cost Brigade' to their very boots... "MG AIRBRUSHED A FINE HI-LIGHT ONTO THE RADIATOR BRACING TUBES!!!" Hallelujah. Can you speculate the colour used? Appears to be the same colour as the radiator top. Is it green too --- or is just us? Yours in confusion Jeff (the 1st.) TA2828 TC3306 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Bulcken IV" cbrenner01@snet.net To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint Unlikely yes...but they did it and there are way too many factory photos and original examples out there to just dismiss this. Have a look at the Robson book mentioned earlier on page 48, and 49. Or look at Mike Sherrell's excellent book on page 44. BTW this is presumably the TC prototype and former TB. That is a TB type engine, and it is not black. It has the TB type tappet side plate,TB chrome valve cover, header tank is not painted black. This is no longer a TB so the two brush TC dynamo is black and not nickel like the TB was. This is only the tip of the ice berg folks. CHEERS, John & Crystal TB#0398 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net To: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Black paint On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Roger Furneaux wrote: hi Bill - must be a trick of the light?! Surely hoses were only ever available in black? Actually radiator hoses can be made in almost any color. And rads had to be assembled at one time before painting, lots of heat from the soldering etc. Agreed. If you examine how the radiator is soldered together it's obvious that it would be impossible to assemble pre-painted bits into a complete radiator. It had to be painted after soldering. It seems highly unlikely that the Morris radiator plant would have taken the time to do a multi-colored paint scheme. Depending on shades of gray in black & white photos to determine colors is always iffy. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/